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[SirHoneyBadger]

I agree with you, Deom, "damascus steel" has to go, and I'm willing to replace it with "patterned steel". Mosaic damascus is easily fixed to "mosaic steel". This is just my first day of kicking this around, so it won't all be perfect. Maybe I'll incorporate a "wootz iron" into the mix, perhaps as a required ingredient for patterned steel.

Probably, I'll be adding some more fantastical ores, and using them to replace some of the items currently in the formulas. The real headache is balancing all the new metal types, since I don't want it to be easy to forge the better ones.

Beyond the basics, and obvious things like adamantite and star rubies, I'm not quite sure of how scarcity works in DF. Maybe somebody could explain that to me, in detail?

To give an example of my relative knowledge/ignorance: I've got the idea that uranium can be found in lead deposits, which can be found in galena, but I'm not sure how the computer would determine how much of the lead is uranium.

I'm not so much aiming for reality, atleast above and beyond what's already going on in the game (admittedly a lot), as I am for a forging system that's very complete, interesting, and more balanced.

Uranium might not make the final cut, although I'd like to have it in the mod, somehow. I know it's a bit of a cop-out, but one of the reasons I want to "flesh out" the metals dwarfs can forge is to show that they're using techniques that we may not even know about, so maybe they just thought of a way that we didn't.

[A_Fey_Dwarf]

Not sure if you realized this but you are only allowed a certain number of reaction slots (I think 25). So your plans maybe ruined when you run out of slots.

[SirHoneyBadger]

Hmmm...Yeah, that wouldn't be a lot of fun. 25? That seems improbably small. If that's the case, and that would be very sad if it is, then I may have to ask Toady nicely if he can expand that a bit.

[Deon]

25? Who told you this nonsense.
"Uncutter/deblocker" mod has reactions to roughen EVERY gem and stone type, and there're much more than 25 of them.

The issue about multiple ores: I tell you again, the Sean did it nicely and balanced things, he even made infusion and alchemy where you gain "fantasy" ores by combining usual metal with gems. However here comes the problem: mandates become too hard to complete. I mean, when your mayor mandates a construction of some "fluffymuffysteel" floodgate which requires a bunc of other magically smelt rare ores you just can't do it without cheating...

Mod Base thread. (there's a lot of mods done here, you can look into them if you want)

Minerals+ [v1.76] Mod thread. Note that nothing has changed in minerals/reactions from that release so it's still working.

The mod features:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

New metals:
-Chromium. Decorative metal. Smelted from chromite (requires aluminum) or from native ores.
-Magnesium. Ingredient metal. Smelted from powdered dolomite, requires carbon.
-Manganese. Ingredient metal. Smelted from pyrolusite.
-Molybdenum. Rare ingredient metal. Smelted from molybdenite, a rare mineral present in chalcopyrite veins in granite and diorite.
-Cementite. Not technically a metal, but qualifies as such as it is a byproduct of smelting pig iron or steel.
-Erythronium. Made from smelting iron using a specific process. A soft metal not useful for much, except making...
-Ironbright. A hard metal used for armor and tools. Made with erythronium and chromium.
-Kelshinral, "Silvershine". Decorative metal, valuable, rare. Smelted from "Lamshinral", a rare ore found in silver and aluminum deposits.
-White gold. Decorative metal. Smelted from gold and nickel.
-Silversteel. Similar in performance to steel, yet a lot lighter and slightly more valuable. Smelted as steel with addition of Kelshinral.
-Kerasteel. Slightly harder than steel. Is, in essence, steel retempered in presence of cementite.
-Magnalium. Aluminum hardened with magnesium. Used for armor and ranged weapons. Lightweight, yet noticeably worse than iron.
-Duralium. Aluminum hardened with manganese and magnesium. Used for armor and ranged weapons. Lighter and harder than magnalium.
-Mirrorsteel. Steel forged with nickel, molybdenum and chromium. Much more valuable and noticeably harder.
-Isrirkadankel. Ultimate silversteel with a long name. Mirrorsteel reforged with cementite and kelshinral. The best attainable metal without adamantine.
-Arsenic bronze. Low-cost alternative to bronze. Smelted from copper and realgar as arsenic source.
-Al-bronze. Alternative to iron. Smelted from copper and aluminum.
-Patterned steel. Alternative to steel. Sligthly stronger and more expensive. Made from iron with green glass.
-Mint gold. Low-cost gold-like decorative metal made from copper, zinc and aluminum.
-Platinit. Shiny platinum-like decorative metal made from nickel and iron.
-Cobalt. A bright shade of blue, this metal is poisonous, but still useful. Obtained from cobaltite, but requires limestone, brimstone, and rock salt to process.
-Stellite. A cobalt/chromium alloy, this metal is at least as hard as steel. As it is difficult to work with, it cannot be easily sharpened or hammered into shape, thus it is less efficient in attack.
-Talonite. A similar alloy to Stellite, this metal is more workable and provides more "edge" at the cost of less resilience.
-Aromistrum. A complex alloy of aluminum, cobalt, iron, copper, and nickel, this decorative metal is veery pretty. 
-Vitallium. A very hard alloy of cobalt, chromium and molybdenum.
-Megallium. A superalloy, second only to Isrirkadankel. This metal is forged from kelshinral, chromium, steel, cobalt, and erythronium, with carbon fibers added for inner strength.
-Chugunium. A cheap decorative metal not fit for heavy duty use. Made similarly to pig iron.
-Red brass. A replacement for iron, if you REALLY need it. Actually it's black. Smelted from copper, tin, and zinc.
-White bronze. Slightly stronger bronze that's made normally, but in presence of a phosphate-bearing rock.
-Agakium. A stronger-than-steel material fit for weapons and armor. Extraction is possible from special platinum ores.
-Uristium. (sorry I ran out of names) Another material obtained in the same fashion as agakium. While not exceptionally powerful, this is one of the most expensive metals.
-Rubber. Deny it all you want, if it melts and can be cast into shape, I'll call it a metal.  Processed from rubber tree logs. Perfect practice weapon material.

New rock:
-Lamshinral. Ore of kelshinral.
-Chalcopyrite. A copper ore, but unusable. Added for flavor.
-Apatite. Phosphate-bearing rock.
-Phosphorite. Another phosphate rock.
-Stannite. Complex mineral that can yield copper, tin, iron, and brimstone when smelted.
-Anthracite. Very dense coal, very effective for coke-making.
-Compacted peat. Dense peat, used to make charcoal and ashes.
-Molybdenite, used to get molybdenum.
-Magnetite-rich sand. Black sand is called that because it contains magnetite. Clusters of especially rich sand can be harvested for ore.
-Native chromium. It does occur.
-Inobtanite. HFS.
-Magnesite. Source of magnesium.
-"Skeletanite". See "other materials".
-Laced platinum nuggets. You won't see them until you mine them.

New cloth:
-Graphite fiber cloth. Processed from graphite, obviously. Isn't going to protect you from magma, but will hardily resist wear and tear. Not used in armor making, only clothes.

New wood:
-Giant cactus. See, I was frustrated with the lack of wood in deserts. This comes pretty close.

Other materials:
-Hardened bone mass. Processed from any bones by smelting with ashes. Used to craft wood-handled weapons at the crafter's. Also, blocks, tables, and various furniture. Hardy, lightweight.

New reactions:
-Gold amalgamation. Either using just cinnabar, or cinnabar and brimstone, you can attempt to get one extra bar of gold from one piece of ore.

Optional components:______________________________

- "Magic" infused materials. Currently only Iron and Steel.
You can infuse Iron bars with one of 10 most valuable gems to alter its properties significantly.
You can then smelt infused Steel, using infused Iron in the steelmaking reaction (you need normal pig iron first)

Note that minerals mod is considered "finished" and Sean no longer develops it so you may find something cool to add.

[SirHoneyBadger]

Thanks Deon, I may borrow some of that.

I was actually considering using gems as metal components ('Star Metal' started out as incorporating star rubies and star sapphires) , but I couldn't remember if that was possible, or not.

I've decided I'll leave off of that, atleast for this mod, but if the Sean is doing good work, then I'll check it out.

[Deon]

He did it long time ago, the forums just tend to forget what was already done and do it again and again (I mainly speak of hundreds "orks" and "dark elves" mods).

If you haven't seen it yet, I recommend you to look at Martial Arts mod. It's for an older version but it has very funny things (mainly for Adv. mode, but for Dwarf Fortress mode too). Where did you see a human master wrestler who roundhouse kicks zombie in the head, decapitating it?

[woose1]

JUST WAIT A MINNUTE HAR!

"Wootz" steel?

Aw... thats so sweet. Can you rename it to woose steel?

Ahem, as for plutonium, The only way to get that shiz is through a nuclear reactor, and they are only good as fuel for breeder reactors.

But, if you REALLY want to defy the laws of nature, then you can give both uranium and plutonium high fixed heats, so anyone handling it would either serioursly hurt their hands or burst into flames.

[SirHoneyBadger]

No, sorry woose1  but nice try though!

"Uranium" in this case, is of the depleted variety, so no extra heat, just a very dense metal occasionally found in lead.

It might be interesting at some point to mod in some radioactive items that caused burns, but I'm not at that stage yet. Definitely something to think about, though.

[TettyNullus]

No, sorry woose1  but nice try though!

"Uranium" in this case, is of the depleted variety, so no extra heat, just a very dense metal occasionally found in lead.

It might be interesting at some point to mod in some radioactive items that caused burns, but I'm not at that stage yet. Definitely something to think about, though.

Maybe have it usable for ammunition?  (There is an alloy called Staballoy that uses DU and, I think, tungense (sp?) that's used for larger AP munition ) Should be able to read off other metals that's used for ammo and figure it out, I recalls there are tags for such things in raw.

[Peewee]

meat.... WALLS?!
I've gotta try that! Finally, a use for them chunks!
3 chunks per wall, would you say?

[Granite26]

there are some issues with more than 25 reactions causing problems, but I think that's being looked at.  (Future of the Forum recently)

I think that your metal stuff may be premature if you look at the new release.  I get the feeling that it may be possible to make metals that are good armor but bad weapons, good struts but bad chains, that kind of thing.  That would allow your alloys to have more depth...  (Especially since there are some things bronze is better for than iron)

Also, reading your stuff, it looked like a lot of places had additive alloys only.  AKA 1 iron + random crap = 1 better than iron.  Don't forget the advantages of 3 iron + random crap = 6 slightly worse than iron.

That's all for now

[Deon]

there are some issues with more than 25 reactions causing problems, but I think that's being looked at.  (Future of the Forum recently)

I think that your metal stuff may be premature if you look at the new release.  I get the feeling that it may be possible to make metals that are good armor but bad weapons, good struts but bad chains, that kind of thing.  That would allow your alloys to have more depth...  (Especially since there are some things bronze is better for than iron)

Also, reading your stuff, it looked like a lot of places had additive alloys only.  AKA 1 iron + random crap = 1 better than iron.  Don't forget the advantages of 3 iron + random crap = 6 slightly worse than iron.

That's all for now

Just 1 word. Minerals+ mod. It does all that and more.

[SirHoneyBadger]

I'm looking forward to the ability to do that with weapons and armour, and also materials that are better for structural items, and maybe also materials that work better in mechanisms, and metals that work better in tools (tool steel)? Hopefully, weight of materials, and resistance to corrosion/rust (or heat, cold, acid, shock, whatever different types of damage will be in the game, now or eventually), will also become factors. Some materials might even work better when forged into blunt, or sharp, or pointy weapons, or resist against those specific types of damage better, or only be forgeable and/or useable by certain species.

As far as formulas for quantitative, over qualitative materials, that's a great idea too, but keep in mind that this is just a "master list" for now, and I'll be adding more eclectic formulas to the mix, like Mokume-gane type mixes for precious metals (pretty stuff, by the way, if you're interested):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mokume-gane

And things that will just be variations on a theme, like Bulat steel. I would also like to offer some magical materials that have actual abilities and qualities, beyond "makes a good sword". Until I have some idea of what magic system we'll be getting, though, that's going to be tricky.

[Thuellai]

Using glass (raw or bars) is definitely possible for "Wootz steel" - I've done it myself in the Glass Fort mod.  Works fine.  I just used it in place of flux for regular steel though.

[SirHoneyBadger]

Yep! Now that I know it can be done, I'll fix wootz.