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[Tamren]

I still like the idea of grading quality. It makes sense because novice carpenters woulnd not be expected to churn out perfect tables.

The idea of expandable workshops pops up everynow and then. How then would quality control be handled? Instead of one dwarf working in one workshop there would be multiple dwarves working in one bigger workshop. Since they would all have varying levels of skill what would determine the quality of any finished items?

[irmo]

quote:Originally posted by Tamren:
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The idea of expandable workshops pops up everynow and then. How then would quality control be handled? Instead of one dwarf working in one workshop there would be multiple dwarves working in one bigger workshop. Since they would all have varying levels of skill what would determine the quality of any finished items?</STRONG>

This is yet another reason expandable workshops are a ridiculous idea.  What's the point of having ten masons working on ten tables in one giant shop?  Can't you just build ten shops?

[Tamren]

Because each of the 10 masons works at a different speed. The ones that finish first can turn around and help the others. The very least a mason needs is a hammer, chisel and enough empty space to fit the block of stone he is working on.

If you had a massive stoneworking workshop you could do bigger and better things. Imagine a statue of an elephant that takes up 4X3X2 cubes of space. This would not be able to fit inside a normal workshop. You could use the extra space to store materials and food on site. Some tools like a crane for moving large blocks of stone around could be used to greatly speed up production. Its not just "a workshop big enough for 10" its something more, even though that is exactly what it is  

sum, parts ect

[Asehujiko]

How about a "speed" setting in a dwarf's profile.

Fast - Dwarf works alot faster but only produces plain stuff. Dabblers get a speed bonus of 1% while legendary 5+ gets a 99% speed bonus.

Normal - Same as now.

Slow - Guaranteed masterworks but takes ages. Dabblers work at 1% of normal speed, legendary 5+ at 99%.

Having in in a dwarf's profile means it can also be used for engraving and building design. Architecture is a friggin nightmare to lvl up so having a 100% chance to pop out a good bridge instead of a crappy one is a nice addition..

[mickel]

Exactly. Ten masons working on ten tables together will produce much better work and faster than ten masons working on one table each, separately. That is, provided they have a suitable work area.

There are plenty of synergy effects. Let's say there's a process called fznrking involved in making a table. It requires a tool which is called a fznrk and which is only used in fznrking, which is a quick process and is only done on tables.

With ten dwarves in a workshop each, they'd all need a fznrk and they'd all need to, at some point, go and find that fznrk and fznrk the table and then go put the damn fznrk back until the next time they need to fznrk.

If you have ten dwarves working on tables, the first one to get to the fznrking part will fznrk his table and then, when someone else needs the table fznrked he'll go and do that for him, while the second dwarf can go off grzmbling the first dwarf's half finished table for him...

And, as was pointed out above, it doesn't make sense to build a crane in a workshop for one person, but in a workshop for ten it does. And that crane is going to save a lot of backs.

A bigger workshop means more room to work, more room for material, more room for the work piece and more room for specialised tools that make the job so much easier to do, and improves the quality a lot.

(Because if you don't have a fznrk you'll have to fznrk the table with a hjzmlb instead, and that takes freaking forever!)

[Tamren]

The major point in favor of expandable workshops is to reduce clutter. Some types of food when cooked into lavish meals clutter the kitchen even BEFORE the work starts. If you could simply build a kitchen with more counter space, it would eliminate the problem.

If that was implemented id be happy, the bells and whistles can wait.