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[beorn080]

Doesn't matter too much now. Fought a baron that had at least 5 health packs. Should have realized there was a problem around the 30th double shotgun blast to the face.

I have learned that walking in a zigzag greatly improves survival odds.

[JoshuaFH]

Whats your personal take on weapons. I had a motherfucking awesome "unique" assault shotgun in my best run so far, helped immensely with the Shottyman feat, I shotgunned until I realized how fucking badass arachnotrons and archviles are. Then I just got plasma'd to bits.

Would a double shotgun be better, or should I just make a B-line for the plasma blaster thing?

I had a wicked modded rocket launcher that was completely useless because I couldn't hit crap with it, should i focus on Eagle Eye maybe?

[beorn080]

I like my double shotty. With shottyman, you are either shotting or strafing for the dodge bonus. Chainguns seem to eat too much ammo, plasmaguns eat ammo that should be going to the BFG, and rockets blow up too many items. Add in the fact that the two multishot weapons don't hit that much without eagle eye, and it seems shotguns are the way to go.

The problem with shotguns is there aren't any great uniques for them. The assualt shotgun sucks with a shotgun build because it is weaker then the double, the Pancor is great but eats through ammo 1/3 faster then the double for the same damage, and theres nothing else. The multi's have the BFG 10k, the minigun, the nuclear plasma rifle, the missile launcher, and the grammaton cleric beretta. Pistol users get the beretta, the AF jackel, the blaster, and the trigun.

The best thing to do is pick a weapon type and only use that weapon, save for the BFG and the rocket launcher. If you pick up a decent unique, your set, and if you snag the revenant launcher, you pretty much win. God I love that weapon.

Damnit just picked up a blaster to get killed by an imp. I love this game.

Edit: I think the uniques are hardcoded by level. This is the 4th time I've picked up a cleaver on the first actual level of a dive.

[Virroken]

Shotguns can be maximized with the smallest number of traits. With the multishotters, you need to EE and SoaB -> TH, taking way too much time to develop before you get survival traits. 

[JoshuaFH]

Whats your favorite feats Beorn?

[beorn080]

Shottyman plus hellrunner. 3 levels to get shottyman, 3 levels to max hellrunner. You happen to find some phaseshift armor or boots, or other speed increaser, and you've got a double shotgun machine.

Intuition is my favorite overall, though those damn dots are a bitch to see sometimes.

I must say though that I am 7 levels into a Ao100 wielding a cleaver and a combat shotty, and doing great. 2 reloader and 2 TaN for the armor, gonna get hellrunner next.

Edit: Just found the beretta. I'm set.

Edit2: TO DIE!!!! god damn barons.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.8.10) roguelike post-mortem character dump

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 Kenny, level 5 Cacodemon General, killed by a hell knight

 on level 10 of the Phobos base.

 He survived 51585 turns and scored 18871 points.

 He didn't like it too rough.



 He killed 177 out of 194 hellspawn. (91%)

 He held his right to remain violent.

 He was an Angel of 100!





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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------



  Health -2/50   Experience 7650/5

  ToHit +0  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +0



-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------



    Hellrunner     (Level 1)

    Tough as nails (Level 2)

    Reloader       (Level 2)



  Rel->Rel->TaN->TaN->HR->



-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------



    [a] [ Armor      ]   nothing

    [ Weapon     ]   Butcher's Cleaver (5d6)

    [c] [ Boots      ]   steel boots [1/1] (100%)

    [d] [ Prepared   ]   modified combat shotgun (7d3) [3/5] (D1)



-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------



    [a] double shotgun (6d3)x3 [2/2]

    rocket launcher (6d6) [1/1]

    [c] Grammaton Cleric Beretta (2d6) [18/18]

    [d] shotgun shell (x50)

    [e] shotgun shell (x50)

    [f] shotgun shell (x50)

    [g] shotgun shell (x50)

    [h] shotgun shell (x2)

    rocket (x10)

    [j] rocket (x2)

    [k] power cell (x20)

    [l] weapon reload mod



-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------



    44 former humans

    38 former sergeants

    12 former captains

    54 imps

    9 demons

    16 lost souls

    4 hell knights



-- History ---------------------------------------------------



  On level 1 he found the Butcher's Cleaver!

  On level 10 he found the Grammaton Cleric Beretta!

  On level 10 he finally was killed by a hell knight.



-- Messages --------------------------------------------------



 You pump a shell into the shotgun chamber.

 Fire -- Choose target... The former sergeant dies.

 You pump a shell into the shotgun chamber.

 You load a shell into the combat shotgun.

 You load a shell into the combat shotgun.

 You are hit!

 Fire -- Choose target... The imp dies.

 You pump a shell into the shotgun chamber.

 Fire -- Choose target...

 You pump a shell into the shotgun chamber. The hell knight fires! You are

 hit! Your blue armor is damaged!

 You swap your weapon.

 You use a small med-pack. You feel healed. The hell knight hits you.

 You miss the hell knight. The hell knight hits you. The hell knight hits

 you. Your blue armor is completely destroyed!



-- General ---------------------------------------------------



 Before him 18 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:

 16 of those were killed.

 And 2 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.



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[dreiche2]

Chaingun/plasmagun works great for me, don't see where the problem is. I use the chaingun most of the time and switch to the prepared plasma for harder enemies. EE + SoaB makes you hit them often and hard, and EE opens up either cateyes or intuition, which let you kill enemies from a distance. You don't need that many survival traits if you don't have to get close to your enemies...

And how to you get intuition as a shottyman? You'd have to waste 2 points on EE (afaik shotguns ignore accuracy).

[beorn080]

Intuition is just my favorite overall skill. Being able to use levers safely and knowing where the powerups and mobs are is great. Just not a big fan of chain guns so I end up using it fairly rarely.

[Aqizzar]

Goddammit.  Two games in a row-

First, I get the farthest I've ever gotten, Level 11 on Hurt Me Plenty.  I didn't even get a chaingun until Lvl 8, so I never attempted any of the hell rooms.  But I persevered.  Even survived a wicked ambush of Barons and Cacodemons.  Then finally died when I used a rocket on a Revenant at too close range and knocked of the last of my health.

Second, I got real lucky with guns and armor, and did descend into Hell's Arena.  Won by the skin of teeth, and got loads of goodies.  Best equipped I've ever been.  Then in the Chamber of Chains or whatever it's called, I got blown up by the Hell Knights while running for a berserk pack.

Phobos sucks.

[Boksi]

Lame joke time!

What do you call a fake Cacodemon?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

A Cacophony!

[ToonyMan]

Hahahhahahahahah!!

[Skynet 2.0]

Recent Angel of Berserk run I did:

Spoiler: Mortem (click to show/hide)

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.8.10) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Andrey, level 4 Demon Captain, killed by a former commando
 on level 15 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 16495 turns and scored 20824 points.
 He didn't like it too rough.

 He killed 104 out of 307 hellspawn. (33%)
 He was an Angel of Berserk!


 He saved himself 2 times.

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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health -2/50   Experience 4046/4
  ToHit +0  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +3

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Hellrunner     (Level 3)
    Brute          (Level 1)

  HR->HR->HR->Bru->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   blue armor [0/2] (2%)
    [b.] [ Weapon     ]   chainsaw (4d6)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   protective boots [2/2] (100%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   combat knife (2d5)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] green armor [1/1] (100%)
    [b.] green armor [1/1] (100%)
    [c] blue armor [1/2] (41%)
    [d] combat knife (2d5)
    [e] small med-pack
    [f] small med-pack
    [g] large med-pack
    [h] large med-pack
    [i.] large med-pack
    [j] envirosuit pack

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    51 former humans
    17 former sergeants
    5 former captains
    18 imps
    7 demons
    5 lost souls
    1 hell knight

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 4 he stormed the Chained Court.
  On level 9 he witnessed the Wall.
  On level 13 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
  On level 15 he finally was killed by a former commando.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 Game loaded. Welcome to the Doom Roguelike... You enter Phobos Base,
 level 15.
 You open the door.
 You open the door.
 The former commando fires! You are hit! You are hit! Your blue armor is
 damaged! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit!
 The former commando fires! You are hit! You are hit! Your blue armor is
 damaged! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You are hit! You

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 49 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 40 of those were killed.
 And 2 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 Some rumours though, say that the Cyberdemon was killed already!
 Is he immortal? 7 souls claim to have killed him...
 2 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
 4 killed the bastard and survived.
 1 showed that it can outsmart hell itself.

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That's the best Angel of Berserk run I have had so far. I'd been lucky up to that point, and had made it to the Chained Court without dying. I unfortunately never found the Butcher's Cleaver, as that would have been a major help. I once found it on a previous Angel of Berserk run, at about level 4, and it really helped make the challenge doable. I unfortunately died on that run, killed by an Arachnotron in Hell's Armory, which I was attempting for the 4 Blue Armors it contained.

[Aqizzar]

I'm noticing, in an awful lot of these post-mortems, that people have been playing "Not Too Rough".  Surely I'm not the only guy likes to be Hurt Plenty?

Concurrently, I've never seen a unique or in any way unusual weapon.  Am I playing an older version, or do they just not show up until post-12 or so?

[beorn080]

They can be destroyed by explosives without you being notified, and they are extremely rare. Hells armoury has a 50% shot of having one, as do a few other spots.

[Skynet 2.0]

I suppose that depends on what version you are using. The player.dat and score.dat files are forward-compatible, so it shouldn't be too much of a hassle to update your game; just copy those two files to retain your scores and player information.

As for the uniques, try doing Hell's Armory. The enemies are normally manageable, as the toughest thing you have to fight are a few Arachnotrons. In 0.9.8.10, the latest version, Hell's Armory has about a 50% chance of one of the four random weapons in the lower-right room being replaced with a unique ranged weapon. If a unique weapon does spawn on a given level, you will receive the message "You feel there is something really valuable here!".