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[Robsoie]

Ah, so i must change direction each turn ?
Maybe that's why the trait seemed to do nothing and more than half the shots directly hit my character (i just thought that Dodgemaster was just not working, and only Hellrunner and its luck dependant dodging percentage was working there), as when i was side stepping i was always going in a same direction.

[Dorten]

AFAIK Sidestepping works like that: every time you move, enemy can shoot not to the cell you are on, bit to your previous position. Doesn't help much, if you go towards the enemy.

[Duke 2.0]

 Unless you always move diagonally.

[Dorten]

Got me fancy signature 

[BishopX]

Alright, So I'm not quite as cool as Tarran, but I'm still pretty damn proud of this.

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.9.1) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Sandy Peterson, level 14 Hell Knight Warrant Officer, defeated the Cyberdemon
 on level 25 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 171404 turns and scored 314850 points.
 He played for 2 hours, 20 minutes and 39 seconds.
 He was a man of Ultra-Violence!

 He killed 968 out of 968 hellspawn. (100%)
 This ass-kicking marine killed all of them!
 He was an Angel of Max Carnage!


-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  Medal of Prejudice
  UAC Star (silver cluster)
  Hell Champion Medal
  Veteran Silver Badge
  Veteran Gold Badge
  Destroyer Gold Badge
  Scavenger Silver Badge
  Scavenger Gold Badge

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 80/80   Experience 96116/14
  ToHit Ranged +12  ToHit Melee +12  ToDmg Ranged +2  ToDmg Melee +2

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Ironman          (Level 3)
    Finesse          (Level 2)
    Hellrunner       (Level 2)
    Son of a bitch   (Level 2)
    Juggler          (Level 1)
    Dodgemaster      (Level 1)
    Whizkid          (Level 1)
    Triggerhappy     (Level 1)
    Ammochain        (Level 1)

  Fin->Jug->SoB->SoB->TH->Fin->WK->MAc->HR->HR->DM->Iro->Iro->Iro->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   red armor [4/4] (68%)
    [ Weapon     ]   modified BFG 9000 (10d8) [49/169] (B2)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   protective boots [2/2] (80%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   modified rocket launcher (6d6) [1/1] (B1)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] modified plasma rifle (1d9)x6 [40/40] (P2)
    Trigun (3d6) [6/6]
    [c] modified blue armor [2/2] (200%) (AB)
    [d] modified blue armor [2/2] (200%) (AB)
    [e] modified red armor [1/4] (9%) (AB)
    [f] red armor [4/4] (100%)
    [g] rocket (x10)
    [h] power cell (x50)
    large med-pack
    [j] large med-pack
    [k] homing phase device
    [l] homing phase device
    [m] envirosuit pack
    [n] Hell Staff

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    97 former humans
    104 former sergeants
    66 former captains
    145 imps
    87 demons
    180 lost souls
    71 cacodemons
    32 barons of hell
    1 Cyberdemon
    24 hell knights
    32 arachnotrons
    14 former commandos
    30 pain elementals
    32 arch-viles
    12 mancubi
    39 revenants
    2 bruiser brothers

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 3 he entered Hell's Arena.
  He left the Arena as a champion!
  On level 6 he stormed the Chained Court.
  On level 10 he found the Trigun!
  On level 10 he found Hell's Armory.
  On level 14 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
  On level 15 he encoutered the Phobos Hellgate.
  On level 19 he found the Hell Staff!
  On level 19 he entered the Vaults.
  He managed to clear the Vaults completely!
  Then at last he found Phobos Arena!
  On level 25 he finally defeated the Cyberdemon.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 You use a large med-pack. You feel fully healed.
 You wear/wield : a red armor [4/4] (100%)
 You reload the BFG 9000 with power cell.
 You dodge!
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 The Cyberdemon fires! You dodge! Boom!
 You use a large med-pack. You feel fully healed.
 The Cyberdemon fires! You dodge! Boom!
 Fire -- Choose target...   The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon
 reloads his rocket launcher.
 The Cyberdemon fires! You dodge! Boom!
 Fire -- Choose target...   The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon
 reloads his rocket launcher.
 Fire -- Choose target...   The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon
 dies. You feel relatively safe now. Congratulations! You defeated

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 461 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 419 of those were killed.
 2 of those were killed by something unknown.
 1 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
 And 31 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 Some rumours though, say that the Cyberdemon was killed already!
 Is he immortal? 8 souls claim to have killed him...
 1 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
 7 killed the bastard and survived.

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I'm starting to think that Angel of Max Carnage is easier than normal mode. It's less forgiving of mistakes, but once you make it through the early game, as long as you don't screw up you're fine.

Notable achievements this game include clearing the vaults without taking damage and finding my first pain elemental cave...right after i threw away my shotgun.

Now I just need 1 more silver badge to make 1st Lt.

[Dorten]

I'm starting to think that Angel of Max Carnage is easier than normal mode. It's less forgiving of mistakes, but once you make it through the early game, as long as you don't screw up you're fine.

Well, AoMC IS easier than  normal game. Just be patient and shoot whatever you see before it can shoot you.
I'm wondering how it will be at N!, though, since my tactic of run on spot until someone shows his ugly demon face will not work there for obvious reasons.

[Tarran]

I'm starting to think that Angel of Max Carnage is easier than normal mode. It's less forgiving of mistakes, but once you make it through the early game, as long as you don't screw up you're fine.

Well, AoMC IS easier than  normal game. Just be patient and shoot whatever you see before it can shoot you.

Yep, it is easier to win. But at the same time it's MUCH easier to die if you get screwed over by the RNG's level generation.

[Dorten]

I'm starting to think that Angel of Max Carnage is easier than normal mode. It's less forgiving of mistakes, but once you make it through the early game, as long as you don't screw up you're fine.

Well, AoMC IS easier than  normal game. Just be patient and shoot whatever you see before it can shoot you.

Yep, it is easier to win. But at the same time it's MUCH easier to die if you get screwed over by the RNG's level generation.

Just give me an example, please, I can't think of any, except for the early levels, where you are not prepared yet.
And another thing for AoMC. With increase of difficulty level, it doesn't get that much harder than in other challenges. Cause the increased tohit of monsters is ruled out of equation. Yay.

[Tarran]

I'm starting to think that Angel of Max Carnage is easier than normal mode. It's less forgiving of mistakes, but once you make it through the early game, as long as you don't screw up you're fine.

Well, AoMC IS easier than  normal game. Just be patient and shoot whatever you see before it can shoot you.

Yep, it is easier to win. But at the same time it's MUCH easier to die if you get screwed over by the RNG's level generation.

Just give me an example, please, I can't think of any, except for the early levels, where you are not prepared yet.

Spoiler: A poor example, but an example non-the-less. (click to show/hide)

Any level with two or more Arachnotrons out of sight at the start and at least 4 second's travel away. You wait until they come, there's a chance that more then one will attack at once, with a decent chance of getting the first shot. At the same time, if you go looking for one they may get the first shot. One burst can deal up to 25 damage; half of your health (your normal max health is "50", despite in-game saying 100[If you don't believe me, why don't you ever get odd numbered health numbers without traits that increase the limit?]). You kill it, then another one comes into range and fires, dealing yet again 25 damage. That can kill you easily if you can't get away or if you don't have enough health packs. While in a normal game they would deal a whole lot less damage most of the time.

Oh, and, Revenants(25 damage compared to a 15 damage average in a normal game) also fit in place of Arachnotrons.

Former Commandos also can fit in the place of Arachnotrons. Actually, they're a much better choice, since the damage difference in AoMC and in a normal game varies wildly, as you can imagine since their Plasma Rifles have a MUCH better time killing you in AoMC; 56 damage most of the time they fire at you(compared to the 24 average in a normal game, excluding the horrible inaccuracy of their shots). I.e more health then you have without traits that increase it.

Add in one or more Arch-viles and you're bound to get a lot of trouble.

Barons and/or Former Captains also hurt pretty bad(20 damage both compared to 12 and 14 average respectively).

Heck, even Former Sergeants can hurt(24 damage point blank compared to 15 average in a normal game, and 15 damage five squares away compared to 9 average in a normal game). And since they're quite low leveled, they can spawn in large amounts.

Of course, armor does help negate the damage somewhat. However, they still hurt like heck and your armor won't last forever. And while you can likely fire pretty fast most of the time, sometimes you won't be able to fire fast enough.

Tl;dr, even in the late game, if you get surrounded by mid-high level enemies, the chance to die in AoMC is MUCH higher then in a normal game. Since they almost always hit, and do MUCH more damage compared to normal games.

That said, it's still much easier then normal UV games. At the same time however, as I said, if you're screwed over even a little bit in a AoMC game your screwed-over-meter goes about twice as high as normal UV games.


...Ehhh, looking over this again I think I might've given poor examples. However, I still stand by the "if you're screwed over even a little bit in a AoMC game your screwed-over-meter goes about twice as high as normal UV games" stance.

[Dorten]

The examples are quite good, methinks. You are absolutely right there. Need to come up with a way of reducing such risks, scout-shooting is always good for example

[Tarran]

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 You enter Phobos Base, level 10. You feel vulnerable again.                   
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 Tarran                     Armor : blue armor [2/2] (100%)                     
 Health: 100% Exp:  4/84%   Weapon: chaingun (1d6)x4 [40/40]                   
 cautious                                                    Phobos Base  Lev10

((NOTE: Those are imps and a hell knight. The forum kinda screwed up the brown color.))

Sometimes the RNG screws you over, sometimes it screws others over. Man, do I feel sorry for those guys.

Just thought I'd show that just because those guys got extremely unlucky.

[Duke 2.0]

 I don't know if I could kill a Hell Knight, Cacodemon and Arachnodemon in three seconds with a normal chaingun before they pump an equal amount of damage into me. Perhaps if you, dare I say it, had a double shotgun prepared then perhaps.

[BishopX]

I've rencently fallen in love with juggler for just the reason. Being able to instantly switch between a shotgun, combat shotgun, double shotgun and finally a chain gun means you can bring a lot of dakka to the table really, really fast.

I love it so much I've started taking it as my second talent.

[Tarran]

Oh yes. I finally finished HMP Ao100! Whew, that was both fun and tedious(I first did 26 levels yesterday, and then the remaining 74 today in one setting).

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.9.1) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Tarran, level 20 Cacodemon 2nd Lieutenant, completed 100 levels of torture
 on level 100 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 385951 turns and scored 1162634 points.
 He played for 6 hours, 22 minutes and 43 seconds.
 He wasn't afraid to be hurt plenty.

 He killed 2595 out of 2595 hellspawn. (100%)
 This ass-kicking marine killed all of them!
 He was an Angel of 100!


 He saved himself once.

-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  Medal of Prejudice
  UAC Star (silver cluster)

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 80/80   Experience 506177/20
  ToHit Ranged +0  ToHit Melee +0  ToDmg Ranged +3  ToDmg Melee +3

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Ironman          (Level 3)
    Finesse          (Level 2)
    Hellrunner       (Level 2)
    Son of a bitch   (Level 3)
    Reloader         (Level 3)
    Juggler          (Level 1)
    Whizkid          (Level 2)
    Shottyman        (Level 1)
    Triggerhappy     (Level 2)
    Ammochain        (Level 1)

  Fin->Fin->SoB->SoB->WK->TH->MAc->SoB->TH->WK->Iro->Jug->Iro->Iro->Rel->Rel->SM->HR->Rel->HR->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   modified onyx armor [4] (APT)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   modified laser rifle (1d9)x7 [40/40] (F1P2T2)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   modified phaseshift boots [4/4] (200%) (ABT)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   modified plasma shotgun (9d3) [39/39] (B1P2T2)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] modified rocket launcher (6d6) [1/1] (A2T3)
    [b] modified plasma rifle (1d9)x6 [40/40] (A2P2T1)
    [c] modified laser rifle (1d8)x5 [88/88] (B3P1)
    [d] Railgun (8d8) [40/40]
    [e] modified phaseshift armor [4/4] (200%) (BPT)
    [f] modified gothic armor [8/8] (255%) (ABP)
    [g] modified gothic armor [6/6] (255%) (ABT)
    [h] Cybernetic Armor [0/8] (0%)
    [i] power cell (x50)
    [j] power cell (x50)
    [k] large med-pack
    [l] large med-pack
    [m] large med-pack
    [n] large med-pack
    [o] large med-pack
    [p] large med-pack
    [q] homing phase device
    [r] homing phase device
    [s] Hell Staff
    [t] gothic boots [10/10] (200%)

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    132 former humans
    312 former sergeants
    284 former captains
    109 imps
    49 demons
    52 lost souls
    140 cacodemons
    382 barons of hell
    97 hell knights
    350 arachnotrons
    7 former commandos
    4 pain elementals
    196 arch-viles
    203 mancubi
    186 revenants
    21 nightmare imps
    23 nightmare cacodemons
    32 nightmare demons
    16 bruiser brothers

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  On level 23 he found the Anti-Freak Jackal!
  On level 45 he found the Hell Staff!
  He nuked level 56!
  He nuked level 65!
  On level 67 he found the Grammaton Cleric Beretta!
  He nuked level 75!
  On level 93 he found the Railgun!
  On level 95 he found the Cybernetic Armor!
  He nuked level 100!
  On level 100 he finally completed 100 levels of torture.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 Warning! Explosion in 7 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 6 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 5 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 4 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 3 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 2 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 1 seconds!
 You hear an explosion! You hear an explosion! You hear an explosion! You
 hear an explosion! You hear an explosion! You hear an explosion! You
 hear an explosion! You hear an explosion! You hear an explosion! You feel
 relatively safe now.
 There are stairs leading downward here.
 You feel vulnerable again.
 There are stairs leading downward here.
 You did it! You completed 100 levels of DoomRL! You're the champion! Press

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 199 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 156 of those were killed.
 25 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
 And 11 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 Some rumours though, say that the Cyberdemon was killed already!
 Is he immortal? 7 souls claim to have killed him...
 1 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
 5 killed the bastard and survived.
 1 showed that it can outsmart hell itself.

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The game was really generous with nod packs and unique armor. Also, it gave me three great exotics; the Plasma Shotgun, two Laser Rifles, and one Firestorm mod. It also gave me a missile launcher, but it was destroyed by freaking Barons before I could get it. The game also gave me a lot of nukes, which is why so many levels were nuked(usually after I cleared them. Level 100, however, I found an invincibility and just nuked the damn place to kingdom come). Below is the list of exotics and unique I remember finding.
  1 Dragonslayer which I couldn't pick up. So you're going to have to take my word for it.
  1 Anti-Freak Jackal.
  1 Hell Staff.
  1 Grammaton Cleric Beretta.
  1 Railgun.
  1 Cybernetic Armor.
  2-3 Assault Shotguns.
  1 Plasma Shotgun.
  2 Laser Rifles.
  2 Phaseshift armors.
  2 Gothic armors.
  1-2 Phaseshift boots.
  1 Gothic boots.
  1 Blaster.
  1 Missile Launcher.

If you're asking "Why did you bring along so many armors and weapons that you clearly barely or never used near the end?", my response is that I was doing so well and I was rarely running low on medpacks and ammo that I thought I'd bring those weapons to the end as trophies.

I have a new found respect for the Plasma Shotgun. It's just... So good. It became my Panic button about as soon as I started using it. It's like a Assault Shotgun on steroids, and it easily puts the Assault Shotgun to shame. My P2 Plasma Shotgun just mowed down and knocked out of sight groups of high level enemies so fast and even acted like a sniper-rifle that killed people out of my LoS at times. It also destroyed walls, which was both good and bad, but mostly good. Sure, it took up plasma ammo like no-one's business, but I had a lot of excess plasma cells anyway. I highly recommend that you bring along if you find it in any of your runs if you can use it, it's just amazingly good for almost everyone.

The Laser Rifle is also a great weapon. Easily better then a Plasma Rifle if put on same footing because it barely ever misses.

The Gothic armor is also quite good if you can offset the speed penalty somewhat. A power modded Onyx armor is also a great choice since you effectively have unlimited Red Armor.

Whew, finally done with that game. Man, am I tired. Too bad I didn't get any badges. New high score though.

[boatie]

Update from the creator's blog, with a screen shot of a tileset he's working on. Huge tease

http://blog.chaosforge.org/articles/52/chaosforge-2010-post-mortem-i-m-not-dead-yet

Edit: More research has shown there has been other news about this... a year ago