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[zchris13]

But you're sacrificing the instant reload.  That's the main draw.

[Dorten]

You shoot them baddies back so hard, that you do not need auto reload.

Also: If the game can start some kind of holywar (it IS holywar, right?), then it's a DAMN GOOD GAME!

[3]

Another thing about GK: due to the fact that most of your shots do so little actual damage on a GK build (they'll all get absorbed by armour) compared to a pure-damage build, you tend to utterly shred through ammo. In fact, before I twigged about building up pistol damage rather than going for GK, running out of ammo in hell was the biggest issue I faced.

[Robsoie]

I was wondering, is there a point in acquiring the master trait "Cateye" that increase your view for 2 tiles, when Intuition 2 that is much quicker to obtain (need to be minimum level 4 to get Intuition 2 while Cateye need to be level 6 minimum), will reveal the presence of enemies way beyond that range , beyond walls etc... ?

On my so far only win i just loved Ammochain after i acquired a plasma rifle.

[Tarran]

Yes, if you blindfire out of your LOS you have a 50% chance to miss even if you would've hit the enemy if the enemy was in your LOS. "Seeing" an enemy with Intuition 2 outside of your LOS doesn't mean that the enemy is in your LOS (I think), thus you'll still have a -50% penalty to hitting your target if you blindfire. Cateye will increase your LOS by 2, meaning you'll get 2 more tiles where your chance to hit isn't cut in half. Personally I don't think it would be worth it unless you're a person that needs to get the first shot at your enemy.

[3]

Also, unless it's been changed, the enemy AI doesn't react properly to Cateye, so as long as enemies are at the edge of your view range, they won't fire at you or do anything particularly significant.

[ZhangC1459]

Ok, well, the wiki lied to me.  Those bastards.

Whatever, I'm done with AoMr until I can get some other challenges done, working on AoS.

@tarran I know what you mean, the RNG does that to me.  I mean, I just got two red armors on the second level, one was on the ground and the other was on a former sergeant.  But the worst was an aforementioned AoS (or AoMr, i don't remember) run where I found the railgun in hell's Armory and couldn't use it.

[Robsoie]

Ah thanks, i didn't knew about the 50% hit chance penalty when firing in the fog of war.
So there's an interest to Cateye along Intuition 2 after all.

[Duke 2.0]

 Unless you use shotguns, in which case Intuition is enough.

[beorn080]

Unless you use shotguns, in which case Intuition is enough.

Or ammochain. Though you can't get Intuition with it, just keep firing and you'll kill everything down range eventually.

[Duke 2.0]

 You don't need intuition with Ammochain, you just need to always be shooting everything forever.

[beorn080]

You don't need intuition with Ammochain, you just need to always be shooting everything forever.

BFG 10k once with it. After that I just walked to the nearest corner and walked it across the whole map. At least until I started between the 7 arachnotrons on a cave level.

[Robsoie]

I was puzzled on how i would ever manage to kill 10 cacodemons with pistols to advance to rank "Cacodemon"
But then i tried for the 2nd time an Angel of Marksmanship (my first attempt was rather a disaster despite i earned the bronze badge for it by surviving up to floor 12, i was nearly dying at each levels) and to my own surprise my character killed 33 of them.

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.9.1) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Ged, level 7 Demon Corporal, killed by a mancubus
 on level 18 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 69713 turns and scored 37456 points.
 He played for 1 hour, 22 minutes and 36 seconds.
 He didn't like it too rough.

 He killed 234 out of 358 hellspawn. (65%)
 He was an Angel of Marksmanship!


-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  None

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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  ###########################################################

-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health -2/50   Experience 17290/7
  ToHit Ranged +0  ToHit Melee +0  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +0

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Hellrunner       (Level 2)
    Son of a gun     (Level 3)
    Dualgunner       (Level 1)
    Dodgemaster      (Level 1)

  SoG->SoG->DG->SoG->HR->HR->DM->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   nothing
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   modified pistol (2d5) [6/6] (P1)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   modified protective boots [2/2] (100%) (A)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   pistol (2d4) [6/6]

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] blue armor [2/2] (100%)
    [b] 10mm ammo (x59)
    [c] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [d] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [e] small med-pack
    [f] small med-pack
    [g] small med-pack
    [h] small med-pack
    [i] small med-pack
    [j] small med-pack
    [k] phase device
    [l] phase device
    [m] homing phase device
    [n] envirosuit pack
    [o] thermonuclear bomb
    [p] bulk mod pack

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    50 former humans
    34 former sergeants
    7 former captains
    33 imps
    50 demons
    19 lost souls
    33 cacodemons
    1 baron of hell
    3 hell knights
    2 former commandos
    2 bruiser brothers

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 3 he entered Hell's Arena.
  He cowardly fled the Arena.
  On level 15 he encoutered the Phobos Hellgate.
  On level 16 he invaded the Unholy Cathedral!
  He fled the Unholy Cathedral seeing no chance to win.
  On level 17 he found the City of Skulls.
  He fled the City in terror!
  On level 18 he finally was killed by a mancubus.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 Your pistol is already loaded.
 You swap your weapon.
 You reload the pistol with 10mm ammo.
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 You reload the pistol with 10mm ammo.
 You swap your weapon.
 You reload the pistol with 10mm ammo.
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 You reload the pistol with 10mm ammo.
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 You reload the pistol with 10mm ammo.
 You swap your weapon.
 You reload the pistol with 10mm ammo.

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 66 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 51 of those were killed.
 1 of those was killed by something unknown.
 2 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
 And 10 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 Some rumours though, say that the Cyberdemon was killed already!
 Is he immortal? 2 souls claim to have killed him...
 2 killed the bastard and survived.

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I was surprised how much i killed with the pistols on that run, though i was lucky to find more healing items and blue armors early that sure helped my character to get his head out of the water.

... until i met 2 Mancubus that ruined easily my already badly damaged red armor in few seconds and annihilated me at great speed (i really wonder if those dodging traits do something or if i was plain unlucky).

For the next rank, while i have already killed the 20 Mancubi required, but the other conditions sound insane, i'm always finding me lucky when i manage to kill a Mancubus already with some good weapon, but now i need to get them with pistols and melee ?
No way i can do that even if i was surprised to take down the 2 bruiser brother with my pistols

[BishopX]

The trick with the mancubi is to fight them in an open area. They fire 3 rockets at once, only the 1st is actually aimed at you. You can dodge that one, but if you're in an enclosed area the blasts from the other two will kill you. You can get a whole bunch of mancubi melee kills playing as berserker build on easy, or you can carry around a chainsaw in your normal runs. If you close with them they can't attack you.

[Duke 2.0]

 If you have ranks in Hellrunner you can usually do some damage and pop behind a corner before they can react. That's how I found them easy on my Marksman run going for GK.