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[debvon]

What I'm interested in finding out is.. The Wall level? Is it even possible to clear without a ton of luck? I mean you find it at a fairly early stage in the game (I'm assuming anyway?) It seems like blasting the wall with a launcher is the only way to open it up, but the party crew that follows is.. unbearable. I can barely kill 3-4 of them without going down in a mist of blood.

[Robsoie]

And you WILL lose a lot of health on that stage.

Yes, that's what i hope to prevent, but out of the rocket launcher trick (and so wasting a lot of rockets) i can't find a solution to solve the "save the health/armor" puzzle on that level.

For The Wall, i'm not sure its location is balanced.

I too see it often in the 1st half of the game, when you are lucky if you found a rocket launcher and even if you found one, you'll not have that much rockets at the point , and considering what's await behind the wall, i don't see how you can take them all out.

And when i read what's in it in higher level of difficulty, i don't see how it is even possible at all at the point the entrance to The Wall is generated.

[Strange guy]

The Walls certainly possible, I've certainly completed it. Though I do agree it is often too early, I skip it most of the time due to not having a weapon to break it down, or not having enough rockets or not having the skills and equipment required to clear it. Later spawning Walls are fine though.

[Duke 2.0]

 On a normal run with a rocket launcher the Wall is one of the only levels I know I can beat without taking a scratch. The basic strategy is to blast away either the midtop or midbottom sections of the wall. You want the hole somewhat close to the middle so the baddies on the other side will trickle through, but distinctly from the top or bottom so they will only come from one direction. Then park yourself on the other side of the corner on your side and use the wait-till-you-see-a-baddie command 'till some SOB shows his head. Then liberal use of shotgun. A normal one should have enough kick to knock them back long enough for them to never be able to hit you around the corner.

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[BishopX]

I usually use your rocket method, I find you need about 8 rockets to get most of the lost souls. The other option is run part way back or forward and use a double shotgun to pick off a whole bunch of the souls at once.

[Robsoie]

A good practice i found to get rid of the small amount of rockets in inventory is to fight in Hell's Arena and become champion.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

At least in lower level of difficulty tough. As the monster apparently becomes even more dangerous in higher difficulty level, Hell's Arena may be too difficult depending on what you have found in regular levels.
Once you have won, there's a bunch of rockets that spawn, and even more interesting there's a rocket launcher that appear too.
So winning an early Hell's Arena can give you a rocket launcher and lots of rockets early in the game.
It makes a huge difference i found.
It is recommended to have found the combat shotgun before entering Hell's Arena, you really need the extra shots it allows for the last round with the cacodemon.

Oh and YES !

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.9.1) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Huio, level 9 Demon Corporal, defeated the Cyberdemon
 on level 25 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 111012 turns and scored 41869 points.
 He played for 1 hour, 30 minutes and 9 seconds.
 He was too young to die!

 He killed 336 out of 378 hellspawn. (88%)


-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  Hell Champion Medal
  Arena Bronze Badge
  Scavenger Bronze Badge
  UAC Bronze Badge

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

  ###########################################################
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  ###########################################################

-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 50/50   Experience 37907/9
  ToHit Ranged +0  ToHit Melee +0  ToDmg Ranged +2  ToDmg Melee +2

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Finesse          (Level 2)
    Son of a bitch   (Level 2)
    Whizkid          (Level 2)
    Triggerhappy     (Level 2)
    Ammochain        (Level 1)

  SoB->SoB->TH->Fin->Fin->WK->MAc->WK->TH->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   modified onyx armor [2] (BT)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   plasma rifle (1d7)x6 [40/40]
    [c] [ Boots      ]   modified protective boots [2/2] (192%) (AB)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   double shotgun (8d3)x3 [0/2]

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] rocket launcher (6d6) [1/1]
    [b] modified chaingun (1d8)x4 [40/40] (P2)
    [c] Malek's Armor [3/3] (100%)
    [d] Butcher's Cleaver (5d6)
    [e] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [f] shotgun shell (x50)
    [g] rocket (x10)
    [h] rocket (x10)
    [i] rocket (x10)
    [j] power cell (x50)
    [k] homing phase device
    [l] envirosuit pack
    [m] thermonuclear bomb
    [n] thermonuclear bomb

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    62 former humans
    34 former sergeants
    15 former captains
    67 imps
    29 demons
    55 lost souls
    22 cacodemons
    7 barons of hell
    1 Cyberdemon
    7 hell knights
    11 arachnotrons
    7 former commandos
    1 pain elemental
    3 arch-viles
    1 mancubus
    12 revenants
    2 bruiser brothers

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 2 he entered Hell's Arena.
  He left the Arena as a champion!
  On level 4 he found the Butcher's Cleaver!
  On level 5 he stormed the Chained Court.
  On level 9 he found Hell's Armory.
  On level 15 he encoutered the Phobos Hellgate.
  On level 20 he entered the Vaults.
  He came, he saw, but he left.
  On level 24 he found the Malek's Armor!
  Then at last he found Phobos Arena!
  On level 25 he finally defeated the Cyberdemon.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 Fire -- Choose target... 
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 Fire -- Choose target...   The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The missile
 hits the Cyberdemon. The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The missile
 hits the Cyberdemon.
 The Cyberdemon fires! You dodge! Boom!
 The Cyberdemon reloads his rocket launcher.
 Fire -- Choose target...   The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon
 dies. You feel relatively safe now. Congratulations! You defeated

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 61 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 47 of those were killed.
 1 of those was killed by something unknown.
 2 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
 And 10 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

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So happy.
And it unlocked 2 more challenges apparently, as i won then enough badges to reach Demon - Corporal rank.

Getting good weapon early makes a big difference, the combat shotgun then the chaingun managed to get me through nearly everything.
Of course the traits helped a very lot, increasing damage, rapid fire and infinite ammo strongly help with the 2 power mod i added to my chaingun too.

[3]

Completing Hell's Arena is pretty much mandatory imo, especially when it comes to the weapon-specific challenges (in which you have very little to lose). I usually quit if I have to use a medipack during the arena, at least on HNTR.

I really should start getting into the swing of playing this again - I haven't paid 0.9.9.1 much attention since the Fireangel requirements changed, locking out my favourite general build. It still works, but nowhere near as well as it did in prior versions.

[ZhangC1459]

A good practice i found to get rid of the small amount of rockets in inventory is to fight in Hell's Arena and become champion.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

At least in lower level of difficulty tough. As the monster apparently becomes even more dangerous in higher difficulty level, Hell's Arena may be too difficult depending on what you have found in regular levels.
Once you have won, there's a bunch of rockets that spawn, and even more interesting there's a rocket launcher that appear too.
So winning an early Hell's Arena can give you a rocket launcher and lots of rockets early in the game.
It makes a huge difference i found.
It is recommended to have found the combat shotgun before entering Hell's Arena, you really need the extra shots it allows for the last round with the cacodemon.

Oh and YES !

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.9.1) roguelike post-mortem character dump
--------------------------------------------------------------

 Huio, level 9 Demon Corporal, defeated the Cyberdemon
 on level 25 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 111012 turns and scored 41869 points.
 He played for 1 hour, 30 minutes and 9 seconds.
 He was too young to die!

 He killed 336 out of 378 hellspawn. (88%)


-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  Hell Champion Medal
  Arena Bronze Badge
  Scavenger Bronze Badge
  UAC Bronze Badge

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

  ###########################################################
  ..........................................................#
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  ###########################################################

-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 50/50   Experience 37907/9
  ToHit Ranged +0  ToHit Melee +0  ToDmg Ranged +2  ToDmg Melee +2

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Finesse          (Level 2)
    Son of a bitch   (Level 2)
    Whizkid          (Level 2)
    Triggerhappy     (Level 2)
    Ammochain        (Level 1)

  SoB->SoB->TH->Fin->Fin->WK->MAc->WK->TH->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   modified onyx armor [2] (BT)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   plasma rifle (1d7)x6 [40/40]
    [c] [ Boots      ]   modified protective boots [2/2] (192%) (AB)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   double shotgun (8d3)x3 [0/2]

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] rocket launcher (6d6) [1/1]
    [b] modified chaingun (1d8)x4 [40/40] (P2)
    [c] Malek's Armor [3/3] (100%)
    [d] Butcher's Cleaver (5d6)
    [e] 10mm ammo (x100)
    [f] shotgun shell (x50)
    [g] rocket (x10)
    [h] rocket (x10)
    [i] rocket (x10)
    [j] power cell (x50)
    [k] homing phase device
    [l] envirosuit pack
    [m] thermonuclear bomb
    [n] thermonuclear bomb

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    62 former humans
    34 former sergeants
    15 former captains
    67 imps
    29 demons
    55 lost souls
    22 cacodemons
    7 barons of hell
    1 Cyberdemon
    7 hell knights
    11 arachnotrons
    7 former commandos
    1 pain elemental
    3 arch-viles
    1 mancubus
    12 revenants
    2 bruiser brothers

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 2 he entered Hell's Arena.
  He left the Arena as a champion!
  On level 4 he found the Butcher's Cleaver!
  On level 5 he stormed the Chained Court.
  On level 9 he found Hell's Armory.
  On level 15 he encoutered the Phobos Hellgate.
  On level 20 he entered the Vaults.
  He came, he saw, but he left.
  On level 24 he found the Malek's Armor!
  Then at last he found Phobos Arena!
  On level 25 he finally defeated the Cyberdemon.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 Fire -- Choose target... 
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 Fire -- Choose target...   The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The missile
 hits the Cyberdemon. The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The missile
 hits the Cyberdemon.
 The Cyberdemon fires! You dodge! Boom!
 The Cyberdemon reloads his rocket launcher.
 Fire -- Choose target...   The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon
 dies. You feel relatively safe now. Congratulations! You defeated

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 61 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 47 of those were killed.
 1 of those was killed by something unknown.
 2 didn't read the thermonuclear bomb manual.
 And 10 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

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So happy.
And it unlocked 2 more challenges apparently, as i won then enough badges to reach Demon - Corporal rank.

Getting good weapon early makes a big difference, the combat shotgun then the chaingun managed to get me through nearly everything.
Of course the traits helped a very lot, increasing damage, rapid fire and infinite ammo strongly help with the 2 power mod i added to my chaingun too.

Nothing against your win, but why the fuck would you use a bulk mod on a piece of armor with infinite durability? It does nothing but waste a mod slot and a bulk mod.  For Onyx armor, use a power mod instead.

For the wall: basically, what Duke said: Blast away a hole in either near-top or near-bottom, park at a corner with a shotgun, apply liberally.  Hell, you can even blind-fire around a corner and if you hear screams, repeat.  Just don't do it with a rocket launcher, because if you miss too many times you might blow up the goodies.


For the Hellgate: Upon getting there, I pick up the armor and medkits, and then what I do is use the health globes as a buffer (over 100%) and then tab-run away from the lost souls back to the door with either double shotgun or combat shotgun, then I park one space behind the door and close the door every time i reload.  The Cacodemons on higher levels will kill the lost souls in groups.

Alternatively, if you have a double shotgun with the Shottyman skill, you can run once till they bunch up, shoot a group of them (the spread should hit at least three at once and kill them), move another space, shoot again, then run back to the door.

Or if you've already done the Halls of Carnage, use your BFG.

[Robsoie]

Nothing against your win, but why the fuck would you use a bulk mod on a piece of armor with infinite durability? It does nothing but waste a mod slot and a bulk mod.  For Onyx armor, use a power mod instead.

Mostly because i found the Onyx Armor on level 23, just before finding Malek's Armor on level 24.
And at this point i only had 2 bulk mods in my inventory , no power mod or anything else.

I believed that Malek's Armor was not going to protect enough (it's protection is roughly equal to a blue armor, and as i was not sure what to expect from the last level, out of taking lots of missile in my face, , i decided to go with the Onyx one).

So why not waste those 2 bulk mod that had then no more use for fun on an armor that has no need of them ?

[3]

Finally, an AoLT win. Nothing special, but it wasn't as difficult as I had thought. I ended up skipping most of hell as I wouldn't have had enough ammo (and, like the coward weakling that I am, wasn't prepared to take them with my fists).

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.9.1) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 3, level 8 Imp Lance Corporal, defeated the Cyberdemon
 on level 25 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 109858 turns and scored 70995 points.
 He played for 1 hour, 8 minutes and 53 seconds.
 He didn't like it too rough.

 He killed 416 out of 512 hellspawn. (81%)
 He was an Angel of Light Travel!


-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  UAC Star (bronze cluster)
  Hell Champion Medal
  Lightfoot Bronze Badge
  Reaper Bronze Badge
  Reaper Silver Badge

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 63/50   Experience 27456/8
  ToHit Ranged +2  ToHit Melee +2  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +0

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Finesse          (Level 2)
    Tough as nails   (Level 2)
    Eagle Eye        (Level 1)
    Juggler          (Level 1)
    Whizkid          (Level 1)
    Badass           (Level 1)

  TaN->TaN->Bad->Fin->Jug->Fin->WK->EE->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   blue armor [2/2] (59%)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   BFG 9000 (10d8) [20/100]
    [c] [ Boots      ]   modified steel boots [1/1] (85%) (A)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   modified plasma rifle (1d7)x8 [52/52] (B1S1)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] modified combat shotgun (8d3) [5/5] (P1)
    [b] BFG 9000 (10d8) [8/100]
    [c] shotgun shell (x50)
    [d] shotgun shell (x11)
    [e] large med-pack
    [f] phase device

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    65 former humans
    43 former sergeants
    9 former captains
    68 imps
    67 demons
    108 lost souls
    24 cacodemons
    5 barons of hell
    1 Cyberdemon
    6 hell knights
    6 arachnotrons
    3 former commandos
    7 pain elementals
    1 mancubus
    1 revenant
    2 bruiser brothers

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 3 he entered Hell's Arena.
  He left the Arena as a champion!
  On level 6 he stormed the Chained Court.
  On level 13 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
  On level 15 he encoutered the Phobos Hellgate.
  On level 22 he was foolish enough to enter the Mortuary!
  He managed to escape from the Mortuary!
  Then at last he found Phobos Arena!
  On level 25 he finally defeated the Cyberdemon.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 The Cyberdemon fires! You are hit!
 The Cyberdemon reloads his rocket launcher.
 You reload the BFG 9000 with power cell.
 Fire -- Choose target...   The missile hits the Cyberdemon.
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 Fire -- Choose target... 
 You reload the BFG 9000 with power cell.
 Fire -- Choose target...   Find a more constructive way to commit suicide.
 Fire -- Choose target...   Boom!
 You wear/wield : a BFG 9000 (10d8) [100/100] The Cyberdemon fires! You are
 hit!
 Fire -- Choose target...   The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon
 reloads his rocket launcher.
 Fire -- Choose target...   The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon
 dies. You feel relatively safe now. Congratulations! You defeated

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 20 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 19 of those were killed.

 Some rumours though, say that the Cyberdemon was killed already!
 Is he immortal? 1 souls claim to have killed him...
 1 killed the bastard and survived.

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[ZhangC1459]

Nothing against your win, but why the fuck would you use a bulk mod on a piece of armor with infinite durability? It does nothing but waste a mod slot and a bulk mod.  For Onyx armor, use a power mod instead.

Mostly because i found the Onyx Armor on level 23, just before finding Malek's Armor on level 24.
And at this point i only had 2 bulk mods in my inventory , no power mod or anything else.

I believed that Malek's Armor was not going to protect enough (it's protection is roughly equal to a blue armor, and as i was not sure what to expect from the last level, out of taking lots of missile in my face, , i decided to go with the Onyx one).

So why not waste those 2 bulk mod that had then no more use for fun on an armor that has no need of them ?

Onyx armor's also the same as blue, I guess the only reason to use it is the unlimited dura.  XD

Either way, at least you won.  I've only won three times... lol

[Robsoie]

Same as blue ? That's something the wiki does not mention (edit : oh yes it mentions it, protection : 2 i don't know why i thought it was the amount of mods you can put on it).
Ouch, i decided to use it thinking it was an improved red that was indestructible, i guess i'm then very lucky to have resisted all the missiles the *spoiler* sent in my character face (though fortunately, some teleportation device and large medic kit helped a lot ).


 

[Tarran]

Son of a gun.

I have a feeling the RNG wants to make me mad. It generated a vault on level 2 and what happens? When I pick up a computer map I see a Plasma Rifle in the vault. A PLASMA RIFLE on level 2! You just don't have that kind of luck that often. And I'm a Angel of Shotgunnery.

Not only that, but as I was killing a former human after entering the vault he used a phase device to escape me.

And after I killed him it turned out he had red armor on, which after I killed him had been damaged to 72% durability by me.

I hate the RNG.

[zchris13]

It happens.  I had something similar happen on an ammochain build, but I was murdered by something.  I forget what it was.  It was brutal.  It's not like you would have the ammo for a plasma gun at lvl 2 anyway.

[Dorten]

And another thing for Gun Kata: most damaging pisol build DOES NOT include GK, since it blocks SoB. Stop saying GK on me it makes me cry.

The wall is a cakewalk in most cases. On lighter difficulties there are only Barons, and even combat shotgun is enough for them. On UV there are Viles, but you are almost guaranteed toi have plasma by then.

Nightmare!... nothing is cakewalk on Nightmare!