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[beorn080]

I'm not sure. I've one hit massive groups of assorted fallen at max range with a double shotgun, but its hard to tell really.

[deadlycairn]

So basically the only way to win is to make sure you're packing more dakka than they are?

[beorn080]

That is ALWAYS how you win.

[Blaze]

It also helps if you get the first shot in.

[zchris13]

A real pain with archviles.

[Duke 2.0]

 Yeah, there is still damage dropoff. Because where beorn080 was able to take down a group of enemies from across the room, I could not take down a former commando from five tiles away with a double shotgun.
 That is pretty much when I decided that the double shotgun is trash.

[beorn080]

Intuition2 + Chaingun + AoMc = win. See the mobs, move away, and rip them to shreds from beyond their vision. With the massive hit and damage bonuses, you don't waste too much ammo.

[zchris13]

I just berserked off of killing an imp. Without berserker when I killed it.

Here is how it went down:

• I kill imp
• I level up off of imp
• choose berserker
• Begin berserking
• tell forum about this crazy occurrence

[Blaze]

That happens to me too, I think it's a guaranteed event.

[zchris13]

I have taken beserker before, and have not been started berserking. Strange.  So far, I'm kicking ass on AoB.

DAMNIT STUPID ME AND STUPID SHOTGUNS

[JoshuaFH]

Alright, this is an embarrassing question:

It's been awhile since I last played, and I can't remember something.

I know that there's only 25 levels, but I can't remember if it's 15 normal and 10 hell, or 10 normal and 15 hell.

[ToonyMan]

I think it's 10 hell.

[3]

Yep, 10 hell.

Nearly got the game on HMP a little while back. Got to.. level 23 or so and was then mobbed by Mancubi being continually resurrected by a pair of Archviles. Goddamn Archviles. A later attempt quickly collapsed into a mad rush for a partial win, culminating in me running straight into a spider cave on level 24.

[JoshuaFH]

This mortem is isn't very special, just me messing around in Max Carnage, but I just thought I'd show some love for the plasma shotgun.

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.9) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Max Blastman, level 10 Cacodemon Sergeant Major, sacrificed himself to kill the Cyberdemon
 on level 25 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 201367 turns and scored 3963 points.
 He played for 2 hours, 48 minutes and 12 seconds.
 He didn't like it too rough.

 He killed 503 out of 515 hellspawn. (97%)
 He held his right to remain violent.
 He was an Angel of Max Carnage!


-- Awards ----------------------------------------------------

  UAC Star (bronze cluster)
  Hell Champion Medal

-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health -5863/70   Experience 45638/10
  ToHit Ranged +12  ToHit Melee +12  ToDmg Ranged +3  ToDmg Melee +3

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Ironman          (Level 2)
    Tough as nails   (Level 2)
    Son of a bitch   (Level 3)
    Reloader         (Level 2)
    Badass           (Level 1)

  Rel->Rel->TaN->TaN->Bad->SoB->SoB->SoB->Iro->Iro->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   modified blue armor [0/2] (20%) (B)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   modified Plasma Shotgun (8d3) [30/30] (T1)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   modified plasteel boots [4/4] (90%) (A)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   modified Assault Shotgun (9d3) [5/6] (P1)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] modified BFG 9000 (10d8) [130/130] (B1)
    [b] modified BFG 9000 (10d8) [130/130] (B1)
    [c] Combat Translocator (0d0) [60/60]
    [d] shotgun shell (x41)
    [e] power cell (x23)
    [f] power cell (x70)
    [g] power cell (x70)
    [h] power cell (x70)
    [i] power cell (x70)
    [j] power cell (x70)
    [k] power cell (x70)
    [l] power cell (x70)
    [m] power cell (x70)
    [n] power cell (x70)
    [o] large med-pack
    [p] large med-pack
    [q] large med-pack
    [r] phase device
    [s] thermonuclear bomb

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    82 former humans
    75 former sergeants
    23 former captains
    73 imps
    52 demons
    95 lost souls
    21 cacodemons
    20 barons of hell
    1 Cyberdemon
    19 hell knights
    18 arachnotrons
    7 former commandos
    6 pain elementals
    2 arch-viles
    5 mancubi
    4 revenants

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 3 he entered Hell's Arena.
  He left the Arena as a champion!
  On level 5 he found the Assault Shotgun!
  On level 12 he found the Plasma Shotgun!
  On level 12 he witnessed the Wall.
  He massacred the evil behind the Wall!
  On level 14 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
  On level 15 he found the City of Skulls.
  He wiped out the City of Skulls.
  On level 18 he ventured into the Spider's Lair.
  He cleared the Lair, kickin' serious spider ass!
  On level 20 he found the Combat Translocator!
  Then at last he found Phobos Arena!
  He nuked level 25!
  On level 25 he finally sacrificed himself to kill the Cyberdemon.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 You reload the Plasma Shotgun with power cell.
 Are you sure you want activate the thermonuclear bomb? (Y/n) You use a
 thermonuclear bomb. Warning! Explosion in 10 seconds! Warning!
 Explosion in 9 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 8 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 7 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 6 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 5 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 4 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 3 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 2 seconds!
 Warning! Explosion in 1 seconds!
 You hear an explosion! You hear an explosion! You hear an explosion! You
 hear an explosion! You hear an explosion! You hear an explosion! You
 hear an explosion! You feel relatively safe now. Congratulations! You

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 23 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 10 of those were killed.
 1 of those was killed by something unknown.
 And 1 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 Some rumours though, say that the Cyberdemon was killed already!
 Is he immortal? 11 souls claim to have killed him...
 1 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
 5 killed the bastard and survived.
 5 showed that it can outsmart hell itself.

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I've decided to nuke Cybie whenever possible, even if it'd be more than possible to kill him normally, just because I think the ending you receive is WAY cooler.

Anyway, this run shows me not just using a shotgun build, but extensive use of the plasma shotgun. A damn fine weapon that I've overlooked for far too long apparently. One often overlooked advantage of it is that it can destroy walls, but doesn't destroy items, making it an EXCELLENT alternative to explosive-based weaponry. Plus, with it's ability to pierce armor and hit multiple enemies, I was taking out GROUPS of archviles and mancubi with relative ease. However, there seems to be some aiming discrepancies with the Plasma Shotgun; when trying to aim manually, you can only aim one square in any direction, and can't specify like you can with other shotguns. While you CAN toggle between enemies, you can't manually aim at all when there's an enemy around, stifling it's usefulness somewhat.

I was also fortunate enough to get an Assault Shotgun, which was incredibly useful as well. Getting two of the three unique shotguns on a shotgun build max carnage run is some mighty fine luck.

I wonder if I get different amounts of points for nuking him than fighting him normally?

[3]

You get a pretty massive penalty, if I remember correctly.