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[DFNewb]

the wall's not too bad if you've got enough rockets.

Rockets? All I was using was rockets! Is this supposed to happen

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Even on easy, those hell knights take 2 or 3 rockets before going down, and there were 10 all spread out, doing 30% damage every turn...maybe I just got unlucky.


Breaking through the top would definitely be better - there would be a smaller gap for them to go through and less of them to deal with at a time.

I found the hell knights only took 1 or 2 hits on easy and I would hit about 3 a turn because of the splash damage.

[inaluct]

When I did it on NTR, I just sat there firing rockets at them blindly until I ran out, went behind the wall, saw that everything was dead, and grabbed the FABULOUS PRIZES. You must have just had bad luck.

[Skynet 2.0]

I tried the wall, but died because I kept missing until they were right next to me. The splash damage would have killed me if I fired directly at them, or done little damage and pushed them closer if I fired at a nearby wall. I've beaten it in previous games though, and the backpack is excellent for carrying lots of chaingun/plasma rifle ammo.

[ToonyMan]

There's a backpack!!  Where where where!! I never found one before!  I need them backpack!!

[Kagus]

Only one place in the game:  The Wall.

Bit of a pisser, since I really could've used that ammunition boost for my gunslin-ehh, "Angel of Marksmanship".  And since they can't use rocket launchers, the only way of getting through The Wall would have to be somehow finding the Anti-Freak Jackal before then.  But I don't even know if that would work.


Oh, and the enemies wouldn't be that big of a deal.  If you've got a high-level AoM, some halfway-decent equipment and a lot of bullets, you're actually pretty damn tough.  I could kill Hell Knights on NTR with about four hits.  And I didn't even have one of them shiny artifact pistols.

[Skynet 2.0]

I thought you could just wait for the Hell Knights/Barons of Hell to break through the wall with their plasma blasts? Even if they don't, there would still be a down stairs in the starting area, so you wouldn't get trapped there or anything. Although even if they got through to you, there would still be the problem with killing them all armed with a pistol... someone needs to go test this...

[ToonyMan]

When I played Angel of Berserk I went to the Wall and sat there for over 1000 turns and nobody shot through the wall, so I just left and died somewhere else.

[Skynet 2.0]

Yeah I just tested it myself, you need a rocket launcher or another source of explosions to do anything at The Wall.

Also - since it was a temporary file, just to look at one level more closely, I kept the chainsaw in my off-hand slot, just for fun, and it turned out to be surprisingly effective, especially in maze levels.

And since they can't use rocket launchers, the only way of getting through The Wall would have to be somehow finding the Anti-Freak Jackal before then.  But I don't even know if that would work.

Well according to the wiki, the Anti-Freak Jackal fires bullets that explode in a 1-tile radius, so you should be able to break through the wall if you found it, unless it acts differently from all the other explosives in the game.

[E. Albright]

That sounds like it works like the Railgun. The Railgun makes purty holes in walls, so I' expect that'd do it.

Also, I must second the whole endorsement of pistol-packin' as being pretty nasty with all the right traits. Though I find it somewhat interesting that it means I drool over basically no weapon enhancements except Magazine... although, there as that last time when I managed to get the Wizkid trait... /sigh

Also: in re: the Wall... the first time or two I went there I didn't see the point since there was no loot. I mean, it sucked. I went in, blew a hole in the Wall, wasted I-don't-know-how-many rockets killing the locals, and when I finally got to the scorched, entrail-stained back of the level, there was nothing there.

(Which is to say, make sure you're a careful shot if you're using rockets to greet the Welcome Wagon...)

[ToonyMan]

I don't think the reward is worth it.





When I see the Wall I go,

"Hey look!  A level skip pass!"

[Skynet 2.0]

My latest run, a melee-only character:

Spoiler: Mortem (click to show/hide)

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.8.9) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Kane, level 9 Imp Corporal, defeated the Cyberdemon
 on level 25 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 98425 turns and scored 40761 points.
 He was too young to die!

 He killed 338 out of 340 hellspawn. (99%)
 He was a real killing machine...

 He found the Phobos Arena.
 He stormed the Chained Court.
 He fought on Hell's Arena.
 He wandered into the Unholy Cathedral.
 He defeated the Angel of Death.
 He was caught in the Mortuary!
 And he managed to clear it!
-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 81/50   Experience 35506/9
  ToHit +0  ToDmg Ranged +0  ToDmg Melee +9

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Hellrunner     (Level 3)
    Brute          (Level 3)
    Berserker      (Level 3)

  Bru->Bru->Bru->Ber->Ber->Ber->HR->HR->HR->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   Angelic Armor [6/6] (67%)
    [.b] [ Weapon     ]   Longinus Spear (8d8)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   protective boots [4/4] (71%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   advanced combat shotgun (6d3) [4/5]

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] plasma rifle (1d8)x8 [40/40]
    [.b] red armor [4/4] (100%)
    [c] power cell (x50)
    [d] power cell (x50)
    [e] large med-pack
    [f] large med-pack
    [g] large med-pack
    [h] large med-pack
    [.i] large med-pack
    [j] large med-pack
    [k] large med-pack
    [l] large med-pack
    [m] large med-pack
    [n] large med-pack
    [.o] large med-pack
    [p] large med-pack
    [q] large med-pack
    [r] large med-pack
    [.s] large med-pack

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    69 former humans
    39 former sergeants
    18 former captains
    16 imps
    41 demons
    34 lost souls
    21 cacodemons
    6 barons of hell
    1 Cyberdemon
    6 hell knights
    16 arachnotrons
    7 former commandos
    1 Angel of Death
    5 pain elementals
    5 arch-viles
    3 mancubi

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 2 he entered Hell's Arena.
  He cowardly fled the Arena.
  On level 6 he stormed the Chained Court.
  On level 16 he invaded the Unholy Cathedral!
  On level 16 he found the Longinus Spear!
  On level 22 he was foolish enough to enter the Mortuary!
  On level 22 he found the Angelic Armor!
  Then at last he found Phobos Arena!
  On level 25 he finally defeated the Cyberdemon.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 You enter a big arena. There's blood everywhere.
 You hear heavy mechanical footsteps...
 You feel vulnerable again.
 The Cyberdemon hits you.
 You hit the Cyberdemon. You feel like a killing machine! You're going
 berserk! You need to taste blood! The Cyberdemon hits you.
 You hit the Cyberdemon. You need to taste blood! The Cyberdemon hits you.
 You hit the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon dies. Congratulations! You defeated
 the Cyberdemon! Press <Enter> You need to taste blood!

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 24 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 18 of those were killed.
 And 2 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

 Some rumours though, say that the Cyberdemon was killed already!
 Is he immortal? 4 souls claim to have killed him...
 1 sacrificed itself for the good of mankind.
 2 killed the bastard and survived.
 1 showed that it can outsmart hell itself.

--------------------------------------------------------------

Spoiler: WARNING - MASSIVE (click to show/hide)

I cleared the Unholy Cathedral, where any ranged weapons don't work, at all. I was lucky enough to find an invulnerability sphere on the level above it, so I was able to clear all the Lost Souls and Demons without any damage. I had amassed a ridiculous amount of med-packs (as is visible in my inventory), and had 3 ranks in the Brute trait, which, combined with my chainsaw, made the Angel of Death possible to defeat. By the time I got to The Mortuary, I had 3 ranks in Berserker, which gave me a 12% chance to get the effect of a berserk pack per melee hit (minus the health restoration). I also had the Longinus Spear from the Unholy Cathedral, which does almost as much damage as the BFG 9000, and also gives you +6 armor when wielded (Red Armor only gives you +4). Using the spear, I can kill an Arch-Vile in just 2 hits while berserk. So I was able to finish the game with both of the Artifacts. Compared to the Angel of Death, the Cyberdemon was pretty easy. I didn't even have to use a med-pack, which is rather ironic considering 90% of my inventory was composed of them.

[ToonyMan]

Ahhh yes my Angel of Berserk likes that MASSIVE SPOILER.




I always die though.

[Skynet 2.0]

Melee characters are really hard in the beginning, but get easier later on as you get better melee weapons. I don't like to do Angel of Berserk for that reason, I prefer to start out with ranged weapons until I get the chainsaw and some good armor, and just take the relevant traits while I'm making my way to the Chained Court.

[ToonyMan]

Yes and the RNG likes spawing 5 sergeants on level 2!   

[Kagus]

I managed to find the Butcher's Cleaver on level 2 or 3 as an AoB.  I managed to make it farther than any other berserker I'd ever played before, but I still got creamed.  Goddamn shotguns...


But it did give me an idea...  I've got a copy of Doom 3 back home, and I was wondering how it would be to cheat in the beginning and give yourself a chainsaw and the soul cube.  See how far you can get using just those two.