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[Vester]

I actually don't mind having to work for the difficulty levels and challenges, since they give me something to aim for other than "finish the game".

But I see where you're coming from Josh.

[Granite26]

I actually don't mind having to work for the difficulty levels and challenges, since they give me something to aim for other than "finish the game".

But I see where you're coming from Josh.

Ditto...  What bugs me is when there are achievements that you can 'accomplish' before you've unlocked and then not get credit for...

[Vester]

I found the missile launcher. On AoM. Gaaaah.

[JoshuaFH]

Have you won normally yet Vester? or do you just really like the Angel of Marksmenship Challenge?

I'm not a real good debater, arguing with others makes me anxious and nervous, so I'm not sure how I'm actually doing trying to suggest my proposed change.

I'm trying to be as courteous as possible, but I'm not sure how well I'm actually doing. Can anyone just take a look and tell me if I'm doing a good job?

http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php?topic=2181.0

[Xotes]

So, uh, who else has won at this? I've beaten a single game on Easy, which is still a win in my eyes. Other than that, I've never gotten to Cybie.

[Blaze]

I've got 2 normal (Hurt me plenty) wins, and I've gotten to the Cyberdemon on Ultra-violent, but I lost to it... with a friggin nuke in my inventory. :headdesk:

I've tried AoM, but died stupidly trying to get the Lance of Longinus.

I've heard rumors that killing the Cybie with a nuke while invulnerable opens up a secret area, but I never managed to find a globe close enough to the end.

[Vester]

Oh my god, is the artifact rate on Easy higher than usual? I was playing a shottyman build. I found the Cleric Beretta, the Anti-Freak Jackal, the Assault Shotgun, and the Railgun all in one game (got killed by Archviles).

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.8.10) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Stalvern, level 8 Imp Corporal, killed by a arch-vile
 on level 22 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 92809 turns and scored 24690 points.
 He was too young to die!

 He killed 331 out of 368 hellspawn. (89%)


-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

  ###########################################################
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  #....#^.........................0....=.^.==....0...........
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  #...==..##############/########===##=#V..=.=...=...........
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  #...========.........................#....===.......^......
  #....=..=====..........^...|..}......#....=.........[......
  ###########################################################

-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health -14/50   Experience 24912/8
  ToHit +0  ToDmg Ranged +1  ToDmg Melee +1

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Finesse        (Level 1)
    Hellrunner     (Level 3)
    Son of a bitch (Level 1)
    Reloader       (Level 2)
    Shottyman      (Level 1)

  Rel->Rel->SM->HR->HR->HR->SoB->Fin->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   nothing
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   Railgun (6d6) [25/40]
    [c] [ Boots      ]   protective boots [2/2] (100%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   BFG 9000 (10d8) [100/100]

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] modified double shotgun (7d3)x3 [2/2] (D1)
    [b] rocket launcher (6d6) [1/1]
    [c] Anti-Freak Jackal (5d3) [6/6]
    [d] Assault Shotgun (6d4) [6/6]
    [e] blue armor [2/2] (100%)
    [f] red armor [4/4] (100%)
    [g] shotgun shell (x50)
    [h] shotgun shell (x50)
    [i] shotgun shell (x50)
    [j] shotgun shell (x16)
    [k] rocket (x7)
    [l] large med-pack
    [m] large med-pack
    [n] large med-pack
    [o] thermonuclear bomb

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    70 former humans
    52 former sergeants
    21 former captains
    68 imps
    35 demons
    19 lost souls
    6 cacodemons
    11 barons of hell
    6 hell knights
    1 arachnotron
    5 former commandos
    2 pain elementals
    2 arch-viles
    1 mancubus

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 5 he stormed the Chained Court.
  On level 11 he ventured into the Halls of Carnage.
  On level 12 he found the Grammaton Cleric Beretta!
  On level 15 he found the Assault Shotgun!
  On level 19 he found the Railgun!
  On level 21 he entered the Vaults.
  He came, he saw, but he left.
  On level 22 he found the Anti-Freak Jackal!
  On level 22 he finally was killed by a arch-vile.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 flames!
 Your weapon is empty.
 You use a large med-pack. You feel fully healed. The arch-vile raises his
 arms! You are engulfed in flames! Your red armor is damaged!
 Fire -- Choose target...
 Fire -- Choose target...
 You wear/wield : a Railgun (6d6) [35/40] The arch-vile raises his arms! You
 are engulfed in flames! The arch-vile raises his arms! You are
 engulfed in flames!
 The arch-vile raises his arms! You are engulfed in flames! Your red armor
 is damaged!
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the arch-vile.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the arch-vile. The arch-vile
 raises his arms! You are engulfed in flames! The arch-vile raises his
 arms! You are engulfed in flames! Your red armor is completely

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 69 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 60 of those were killed.
 2 of those were killed by something unknown.
 And 7 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

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[JoshuaFH]

Railgun, wow. That's the rarest unique in the game, according to the wiki.

Were you planning to go for whizkid? Or were you just trying out finesse? I enjoy having SoB on my shotty build, it makes the double shotgun extremely powerful.

[Vester]

I normally play AoM, so I got the Finesse out of habit. Although it made my double shotgun amazingly deadly, I suppose.

[JoshuaFH]

I'll have to try it out, as I wouldn't think that a marginal increase in firing speed would be that helpful.

That's what experimentation is for though, I guess.

I was playing a really good shotty build the other day though, and I found an advanced double shotgun. I was overjoyed... and then the game crashed. I can't wait till all these wrinkles are ironed out.

[Vester]

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 DoomRL (v.0.9.8.10) roguelike post-mortem character dump
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 Stalvern, level 9 Imp Sergeant, defeated the Cyberdemon
 on level 25 of the Phobos base.
 He survived 122468 turns and scored 41176 points.
 He was too young to die!

 He killed 360 out of 383 hellspawn. (93%)
 He held his right to remain violent.


-- Graveyard -------------------------------------------------

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  ###########################################################

-- Statistics ------------------------------------------------

  Health 50/50   Experience 36717/9
  ToHit +4  ToDmg Ranged +3  ToDmg Melee +3

-- Traits ----------------------------------------------------

    Son of a bitch (Level 3)
    Eagle Eye      (Level 2)
    Cateye         (Level 2)
    Triggerhappy   (Level 2)

  EE->SoB->SoB->TH->TH->EE->Cat->Cat->SoB->

-- Equipment -------------------------------------------------

    [a] [ Armor      ]   Malek's Armor [3/3] (67%)
    [b] [ Weapon     ]   modified chaingun (1d7)x5 [22/50] (D1)
    [c] [ Boots      ]   plasteel boots [4/4] (90%)
    [d] [ Prepared   ]   modified plasma rifle (1d8)x8 [0/40] (A1)

-- Inventory -------------------------------------------------

    [a] advanced rocket launcher (6d7) [1/1] (D1R1)
    [b] Grammaton Cleric Beretta (2d6) [15/18]
    [c] blue armor [2/2] (100%)
    [d] red armor [4/4] (100%)
    [e] modified red armor [2/4] (46%) (D)
    [f] 10mm ammo (x127)
    [g] 10mm ammo (x140)
    [h] 10mm ammo (x140)
    [i] 10mm ammo (x140)
    [j] 10mm ammo (x140)
    [k] power cell (x50)
    [l] small med-pack
    [m] small med-pack
    [n] small med-pack
    [o] large med-pack
    [p] large med-pack
    [q] phase device
    [r] thermonuclear bomb

-- Kills -----------------------------------------------------

    44 former humans
    37 former sergeants
    35 former captains
    60 imps
    31 demons
    54 lost souls
    20 cacodemons
    10 barons of hell
    1 Cyberdemon
    22 hell knights
    7 arachnotrons
    3 former commandos
    4 pain elementals
    2 arch-viles
    5 mancubi
    2 revenants

-- History ---------------------------------------------------

  He started his journey on the surface of Phobos.
  On level 2 he entered Hell's Arena.
  He left the Arena as a champion!
  On level 10 he found Hell's Armory.
  On level 10 he found the Grammaton Cleric Beretta!
  On level 13 he witnessed the Wall.
  He massacred the evil behind the Wall!
  On level 18 he entered the Vaults.
  He came, he saw, but he left.
  On level 22 he found the Malek's Armor!
  Then at last he found Phobos Arena!
  On level 25 he finally defeated the Cyberdemon.

-- Messages --------------------------------------------------

 Cyberdemon. The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon reloads
 his rocket launcher.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The missile hits
 the Cyberdemon. The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The missile hits the
 Cyberdemon. The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon fires! You are
 hit!
 You use a large med-pack. You feel fully healed. The Cyberdemon reloads his
 rocket launcher.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The missile hits
 the Cyberdemon. The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The missile hits the
 Cyberdemon. The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The missile hits the Cyberdemon.
 Fire -- Choose target... The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The missile hits
 the Cyberdemon. The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The missile hits the
 Cyberdemon. The missile hits the Cyberdemon. The missile hits the
 Cyberdemon. The Cyberdemon dies. Congratulations! You defeated the

-- General ---------------------------------------------------

 Before him 100 brave souls have ventured into Phobos:
 83 of those were killed.
 3 of those were killed by something unknown.
 And 14 couldn't handle the stress and committed a stupid suicide.

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Woo! Chaingun FTW!

Now I have to finish it on Medium.

[JoshuaFH]

I'm really, really, REALLY turned off by how random your chances of survival are, no matter how good you are. It's the RNG that decides whether you live or die more than your personal skill or strategy.

[beorn080]

While yes, it is more random then nethack regarding deaths, most times you can survive by planning ahead. Keep a phase distorter on you at all times, and you will almost never instantly die. A homing phase is even better, since you can skip the floor.

[Vester]

Yeah. You can skew the odds in your favour though with a good build, ample use of the dodging mechanic, and not using explosive barrels as cover like I always do...

[JoshuaFH]

The late-game isn't so bad, because by then you've stocked up on everything you'll need, and only a horrific stroke of bad luck will take you down.

The early-game though, with the two medkits that you may or may not be able to get before they're snatched, Hell's Arena (which is practically impossible at any difficulty higher than easy), and ANY of the challenges, with some of the experts that hang around the forums professing to need hundreds of tries in order to succeed.