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Faster than 40d, no problems

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Faster than 40d, problems

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No slower than 40d, no problems

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No slower than 40d, problems

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Slower than 40d, no problems

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3 (1.9%)

Doesn't work (please explain)

12 (7.5%)

Total Members Voted: 160

[Baughn]

Not yet. If you'll tell me what the console output is, I'll have a much better shot at /making/ it work.

It should be noted, if I can't make it work on ATI cards, then it won't go into DF.

[Orkel]

Not yet. If you'll tell me what the console output is, I'll have a much better shot at /making/ it work.

It should be noted, if I can't make it work on ATI cards, then it won't go into DF.

The console says:

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Using OpenGL output path with client-side arrays
Using 736x736 texture catalog for 513 32x32 tiles.
Non-power-of-two catalog failed, retrying with 1024x1024 catalog.
GL error: 1281 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:1791

[Baughn]

Ah.. I'm afraid that version is outdated, and won't help me. Could you re-download and try again?

Oh, and you /are/ on windows, right?

[Orkel]

Ah.. I'm afraid that version is outdated, and won't help me. Could you re-download and try again?

Oh, and you /are/ on windows, right?

Yeah, I am. Windows XP.

I redownloaded, this time it says:

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Using OpenGL output path with client-side arrays
Using 736x736 texture catalog for 513 32x32 tiles.
GL error: 1281 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:1709
Non-power-of-two catalog failed, retrying with 1024x1024 catalog.

The 1791 changed into a 1709. But otherwise the same thing.

[KaelGotDwarves]

No. You can expect an improvement, assuming I manage to fix the dreaded red-screen bug, but not *that* much of one.

BC's cpu budget is basically all spent rendering. That's what I've been improving.

DF does a significant amount of other stuff.

If you want an idea of how much it might improve things, run DF with partial-print off and watch how much CPU time it uses on the main menu (for one core only, mind). That's the maximum improvement that can happen - eg. if it uses 50%, a doubling in speed is possible; 11%, only a 10% increase.

Just a note but when I run DF on my laptop it does eat up 50%.

Anyhow, interesting stuff. Keep at it.

[Baughn]

Yeah, but the line number tells me exactly /what/ failed, which is.. uh... the hell?

..okay.

I'd written the code to check for non-power-of-two textures a bit badly, which I've fixed now (you may want to try again, again), but it should work. *Should*. It doesn't, so.. I'm about out of ideas.

Just one more time, then.

[Baughn]

All right, I've figured it out.

For some reason it's picking the software renderer for some of you, despite my specific request for it not to. Let's see if I can't fix that.

[Soldats]

well if ati cards really do become a big problem for you I have an old abused Ati 9800 pro (agp x8)I might be able to send you if shipping is not too much (dont know where you live but im in philadelphia) It should still work but i havent used it in years though

[Baughn]

I may have fixed the problem.

As it turns out, if you ask ATI cards for hardware acceleration, they specifically refuse to give you any. If you don't, they'll give. So I removed the request.

This is insane, but there you go. Please test.


EDIT: On balance, I expect the explanation is that ATI cards are female. nVidia cards work, so obviously they're male. I wonder what their offspring would be like...

[Soldats]

Ok! New problem! I can now actually see some things but no matter what I do it is always stuck at 43 FPS (tried adjusting various inti options with no success) I would understand if it was 42 fps........

EDIT: On balance, I expect the explanation is that ATI cards are female. nVidia cards work, so obviously they're male. I wonder what their offspring would be like...

Lies!!!! Ati cards just like to be asked politely
also I wouldnt try that ati+nvidia=? experiment I already put an ati card on a nvidia motherboard IRQL errors ahoy!

EDIT: Also i get a crap ton of text in the command window

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GL_AMDX_vertex_shader_tessellator GL_AMD_performance_monitor GL_AMD_texture_text
ure4 GL_ARB_color_buffer_float GL_ARB_depth_buffer_float GL_ARB_depth_texture GL
_ARB_draw_buffers GL_ARB_draw_instanced GL_ARB_fragment_program GL_ARB_fragment_
program_shadow GL_ARB_fragment_shader GL_ARB_half_float_pixel GL_ARB_half_float_
vertex GL_ARB_instanced_arrays GL_ARB_multisample GL_ARB_multitexture GL_ARB_occ
lusion_query GL_ARB_pixel_buffer_object GL_ARB_point_parameters GL_ARB_point_spr
ite GL_ARB_shader_objects GL_ARB_shader_texture_lod GL_ARB_shading_language_100
GL_ARB_shadow GL_ARB_shadow_ambient GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp GL_ARB_texture_c
ompression GL_ARB_texture_cube_map GL_ARB_texture_env_add GL_ARB_texture_env_com
bine GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3 GL_ARB_texture_float GL
_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two GL_ARB_texture_rect
angle GL_ARB_transpose_matrix GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object GL_ARB_vertex_program
GL_ARB_vertex_shader GL_ARB_window_pos GL_ATI_draw_buffers GL_ATI_envmap_bumpmap
 GL_ATI_fragment_shader GL_ATI_meminfo GL_ATI_separate_stencil GL_ATI_texture_co
mpression_3dc GL_ATI_texture_env_combine3 GL_ATI_texture_float GL_EXT_abgr GL_EX
T_bgra GL_EXT_blend_color GL_EXT_blend_equation_separate GL_EXT_blend_func_separ
ate GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_EXT_blend_subtract GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array GL_EX
T_copy_texture GL_EXT_draw_buffers2 GL_EXT_draw_range_elements GL_EXT_fog_coord
GL_EXT_framebuffer_blit GL_EXT_framebuffer_multisample GL_EXT_framebuffer_object
 GL_EXT_framebuffer_sRGB GL_EXT_gpu_program_parameters GL_EXT_gpu_shader4 GL_EXT
_multi_draw_arrays GL_EXT_packed_depth_stencil GL_EXT_packed_float GL_EXT_packed
_pixels GL_EXT_point_parameters GL_EXT_rescale_normal GL_EXT_secondary_color GL_
EXT_separate_specular_color GL_EXT_shadow_funcs GL_EXT_stencil_wrap GL_EXT_subte
xture GL_EXT_texgen_reflection GL_EXT_texture3D GL_EXT_texture_compression_latc
GL_EXT_texture_compression_rgtc GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc GL_EXT_texture_c
ube_map GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_EXT_texture_env_comb
ine GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3 GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic GL_EXT_texture_lod
_bias GL_EXT_texture_mirror_clamp GL_EXT_texture_object GL_EXT_texture_rectangle
 GL_EXT_texture_sRGB GL_EXT_texture_shared_exponent GL_EXT_transform_feedback GL
_EXT_vertex_array GL_KTX_buffer_region GL_NV_blend_square GL_NV_texgen_reflectio
n GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap GL_SGIS_texture_edge_clamp GL_SGIS_texture_lod GL_WIN_
swap_hint WGL_EXT_swap_control
Using OpenGL output path with VBOs
Using 736x736 texture catalog for 513 32x32 tiles.

[Baughn]

Right now vsync is locked to on, which goes some way to explaining the issues. I knew I forgot something.

..try now.

Oh. Also, you should never set G_FPS_CAP higher than your monitor refresh rate. Lower is fine; try 20 or 25.

[Orkel]

I may have fixed the problem.

As it turns out, if you ask ATI cards for hardware acceleration, they specifically refuse to give you any. If you don't, they'll give. So I removed the request.

This is insane, but there you go. Please test.


EDIT: On balance, I expect the explanation is that ATI cards are female. nVidia cards work, so obviously they're male. I wonder what their offspring would be like...

Works now

[Soldats]

Ok here are my findings on my 4870

All Standard Settings no tweaks
fps=43........

Standard settings with 20 g_fps cap
Fps=100

Standard plus 1000 fps cap, 20 g_fps cap
fps=831 Very stiff fps too it almost never fluctuates 

Standard plus 1000 fps cap, 30 g_fps cap
fps=731 Very stiff fps too it almost never fluctuates

Standard plus 5000 fps cap, 20 g_fps cap
fps=859 Very stiff fps too it almost never fluctuates

Standard plus 1000 fps cap, 20 g_fps cap, double grid size 160:50
fps=817 Very stiff fps too it almost never fluctuates plus the screen is super small but that is to be expected

Standard plus 1000 fps cap, 20 g fps cap, double gride 160:50,double res 1280x600
fps=817 Very stiff fps too it almost never fluctuates

partial print had no effect on performance what so ever so i kept it off (to be expected I guess since nothing is staying still for too long?)
seems to me that some form of vsync is still interfering, also my refersh rate of monitor is 60hz

Going to redownload again and try standard and some of the other tests to see anything changes will edit in the results

EDIT:Redownloaded with a cleared Browser cache
All Standard
no change

Standard plus Fps 1000 cap
fps=43

*NEW TEST*
Standard plus g_fps 49 cap
fps=43

I kept moving the g fps number to see when it would stop limiting my fps turns out if g fps is 43 or lower it would revert to the above numbers other wise no change in any other test

[Baughn]

Oh-kay.

I did a (highly questionable) change that may help with that. Try it again?

EDIT: Basically, Windows is *unable* to sleep for less than ten milliseconds, so instead I'm having it busy-loop. This should ensure that you get the maximum possible framerate, unless there are still vsync-issues; it should also cause your CPU to stick at 100% no matter what.

Also, if you have a really weak GPU, then setting G_FPS_CAP too high can cause the program to try pushing frames faster than the GPU can handle, in which case it will block waiting for the GPU to catch up. This is murder on your FPS, as you've noticed.

[Xgamer4]

I tried running it on my laptop. ATI Radeon X1100, I believe. It's running the Omega drivers. It pops up the BC screen and shows a bit of red text, as if it's trying to display something, and then the screen goes black. The console output is this:

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GL_AMD_performance_monitor GL_ARB_depth_texture GL_ARB_draw_buffers GL_ARB_fragm
ent_program GL_ARB_fragment_shader GL_ARB_multisample GL_ARB_multitexture GL_ARB
_occlusion_query GL_ARB_pixel_buffer_object GL_ARB_point_parameters GL_ARB_point
_sprite GL_ARB_shader_objects GL_ARB_shading_language_100 GL_ARB_shadow GL_ARB_s
hadow_ambient GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp GL_ARB_texture_compression GL_ARB_text
ure_cube_map GL_ARB_texture_env_add GL_ARB_texture_env_combine GL_ARB_texture_en
v_crossbar GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3 GL_ARB_texture_float GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_
repeat GL_ARB_texture_rectangle GL_ARB_transpose_matrix GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_obj
ect GL_ARB_vertex_program GL_ARB_vertex_shader GL_ARB_window_pos GL_ATI_draw_buf
fers GL_ATI_envmap_bumpmap GL_ATI_fragment_shader GL_ATI_meminfo GL_ATI_separate
_stencil GL_ATI_texture_env_combine3 GL_ATI_texture_float GL_EXT_bgra GL_EXT_ble
nd_color GL_EXT_blend_func_separate GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_EXT_blend_subtract GL
_EXT_compiled_vertex_array GL_EXT_copy_texture GL_EXT_draw_range_elements GL_EXT
_fog_coord GL_EXT_framebuffer_object GL_EXT_gpu_program_parameters GL_EXT_multi_
draw_arrays GL_EXT_packed_depth_stencil GL_EXT_packed_pixels GL_EXT_point_parame
ters GL_EXT_rescale_normal GL_EXT_secondary_color GL_EXT_separate_specular_color
 GL_EXT_shadow_funcs GL_EXT_stencil_wrap GL_EXT_subtexture GL_EXT_texgen_reflect
ion GL_EXT_texture3D GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc GL_EXT_texture_cube_map GL_
EXT_texture_edge_clamp GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_EXT_texture_env_combine GL_EXT_
texture_env_dot3 GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias GL_EX
T_texture_mirror_clamp GL_EXT_texture_object GL_EXT_texture_rectangle GL_EXT_tex
ture_sRGB GL_EXT_vertex_array GL_KTX_buffer_region GL_NV_blend_square GL_NV_texg
en_reflection GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap GL_SGIS_texture_edge_clamp GL_SGIS_texture
_lod GL_WIN_swap_hint WGL_EXT_swap_control
Using OpenGL output path with VBOs
Using 736x736 texture catalog for 513 32x32 tiles.
Non-power-of-two catalog failed, retrying with 1024x1024 catalog.
GL error: 1282 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:854
GL error: 1282 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:863
GL error: 1282 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:887
GL error: 1282 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:827
GL error: 1282 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:854
GL error: 1282 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:863
GL error: 1282 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:887
GL error: 1282 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:827
GL error: 1282 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:854
GL error: 1282 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:863
GL error: 1282 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:887
GL error: 1282 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:827
GL error: 1282 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:854
GL error: 1282 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:863
GL error: 1282 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:887
GL error: 1282 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:827
GL error: 1282 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:854
GL error: 1282 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:863
GL error: 1282 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:887
GL error: 1282 in src\enabler_sdl.cpp:827

What were the other things you wanted me to run?