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[Neonivek]

This is ironic because there is no "almost everyone," just a handful of clueless D&D nerds who got it from reading rulebooks written by other clueless nerds.  Anyone who's actually gotten their heads out of the fantasy novels and worn armor or seriously studied its use won't be saying "plate mail."

Excluding the fact that I said Platemail, chainmail, and all that long before Dungeons and dragons... and it was included in a "Historically accurate game" is odd... Of course that said historically accurate game was sorta odd... You could flatter people up at the begining of the game with kind letters... but everytime you did it, it had less effect (And even could have a negative effect)

I miss it...

The point is ignoring everything else that has been said: I like Platemail, Chainmail, Scalemail, and Ringmail... I can even go as far as to include Bonemail, Splitmail (Diablo woo), and shadowmail. Me and my friends all know what something is when I say "Mail". When I go onto forums and I say "Platemail" everyone knows what I mean. This game isn't likely to get non-gamers who never heard of mail... as as long as games continue to become more and more popular...

I really don't see the harm in doing otherwise...

Ps. Luckly I saved myself by saying Modern Niche Term! I try to save myself from "Counter points" with these Technicalities. That way when someone argues against them... They hit my counter traps which you not only hit... but downright said was true! Hurray for the word Niche!

[Mikademus]

Oh, you silly lads...

mail
2   /meɪl/
–noun
1.    flexible armor of interlinked rings.
2.    any flexible armor or covering, as one having a protective exterior of scales or small plates.
3.    Textiles. an oval piece of metal pierced with a hole through which the warp ends are threaded, serving as an eyelet on a heddle or esp. on the harness cords of a Jacquard loom.
–verb (used with object)
4.    to clothe or arm with mail.
Origin:
1250–1300; ME maille one of the rings of which armor was composed < OF < L macula spot, one of the interstices in a net; cf

mail 2      (māl) 
n. 

   1. Flexible armor composed of small overlapping metal rings, loops of chain, or scales.
   2. The protective covering of certain animals, as the shell of a turtle.

tr.v.   mailed, mail·ing, mails
To cover or armor with mail.

[Middle English, from Old French maile, from Latin macula, blemish, mesh.]

[Neonivek]

1. Flexible armor composed of small overlapping metal rings, loops of chain, or scales.

Loops must be in reference of Ringmail which had a problem of falling appart (or rather becoming much less effective) once damaged... (or I am thinking of Scalemail but I doubt it)

I wish I could find my old Medieval book (the game isn't called Medieval) it had such cool stuff such as the heigharchy of Nobility including military Nobility (I think a Baron was actually a military noble possition... but I cannot remember...)

I am going to bow out of this thread (well main arguement)... I don't know what is wrong with me but I know I am not in the correct mindset to hold up a conversation with any sort of ettiquete that doesn't boarder or cross the line of not only stupidity but also trolling. So I appologise

[Mikademus]

2. The protective covering of certain animals, as the shell of a turtle.

This is perhaps more interesting still. If we accept a "bone mail", or the "mail of a turtle", then the notion of a "plate mail" isn't very far-fetched. If the military upper class used mail, those to which the lesser peons looked up, it isn't very difficult to imagine the plebs snapping up the words but not the full context of them, and using them meaningfully but incorrectly from the original intention.

[Neonivek]

The real question is if Toady will eventually allow Platemail to exist as a seperate metalic layer on a creature that actually need to be broken through... rather then a anti-damage static field

[Footkerchief]

The real question is if Toady will eventually allow Platemail to exist as a seperate metalic layer on a creature that actually need to be broken through... rather then a anti-damage static field

He's been talking about it in the FotF thread.  It's looking like the answer is yes.  For the next version, even.

[Silverionmox]

I wish I could find my old Medieval book (the game isn't called Medieval) it had such cool stuff such as the heigharchy of Nobility including military Nobility (I think a Baron was actually a military noble possition... but I cannot remember...)

baron
c.1200, from O.Fr. baron, acc. of ber "military leader," perhaps from Frank. baro "freeman, man;" merged with cognate O.E. beorn "nobleman." Baronet, with dim. suffix, first recorded c.1400.

[Neoskel]

Calling things in a fictional game world the same as they were in historical times is really not necessary. A rose by any other name and what not.

[Serg]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamellar_armour ?
Cod Piece?
Besagews?
I'm all for realism, but if we enabled every single medieval armor type, class, and piece to be a part of the Dwarven attire, I think it would be kind of daunting. "Is a besagew worn on the shoulder, or the front upper arm? Does my Dwarf have a cloth shirt under his leather vest which is under a chain suit under a plate mail set under a large plate hauberk? Uh oh, gonna have to strip him to start over."

[Mikademus]

There was this game called Knights of legend, which was very cool in its own way. You played in a world very reminiscent of Teutonic 16th century, and everything worn was modelled extremely meticulously. Clothing became worn with  use, armour had to fit or be reforged for your character, and it consisted of numerous different parts, and I do mean a bloody lot of armour components! It was hell to play, too complicated by far. A great game, but you always felt a little annoyed by the amount of details which detracted from your enjoyment.

[G-Flex]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamellar_armour ?
Cod Piece?
Besagews?
I'm all for realism, but if we enabled every single medieval armor type, class, and piece to be a part of the Dwarven attire, I think it would be kind of daunting.

Which is why I don't think anybody is suggesting that.

[Schwern]

I got your point, G-Flex, fwiw.  What content there was going to be here has been said, so I'd just let it go.  The issue is just going to get muddied and you're going to get a migraine.

[G-Flex]

Honestly, it was (and is) a really minor thing, so I kind of don't like that it got blown so out of proportion, but I tend to have a complete incapacity to respond to things when I disagree with them (especially if there's a bit of an attitude thing going on, which I'm also not immune to getting myself).

[Pilsu]

This is ironic because there is no "almost everyone," just a handful of clueless D&D nerds who got it from reading rulebooks written by other clueless nerds.  Anyone who's actually gotten their heads out of the fantasy novels and worn armor or seriously studied its use won't be saying "plate mail."  They'd be laughed out of their LARP clubs or Anglo-Saxon historians' conferences or whatever.

Oh yeah, people who saw Lord of the Rings, video games or other fantasy media are a small minority compared to larpers and would-be historians. The public is well educated about obscure medieval armor names when all the media just says fuck it and calls it plate/chainmail. 

Maybe I should mention clips just to rile you up some more but guns are actually modern so you might even be able to expect people to know something about them

[G-Flex]

Just because the media says "fuck it" doesn't mean that we should.

The media does that with a lot of things, and the popular term for something in pop culture is often not very technically-accurate, and shouldn't necessarily be used.

Seriously, should you be getting your terminology for armor from things like Lord of the Rings or Dungeons & Dragons? Honestly, I'd hope not.

And it doesn't matter that the public doesn't know about it. It's not as if people will get confused by "plate armor", so no problems would result. They might be if the game were to get into highly intricate and varied armor types, but it isn't (now).