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[mainiac]

How bout rigging the exhaust system to exhaust into the passenger compartment. Show people the problem of pollution by making them breath it in.

funny

[Rezan]

I guess liberals could sell hybrids and electric vehicles? Though, that'd have to be after a certain year mark (say, 2020).

Stop with the stupid "let's kill the conservatives by rigging their cars!" schemes. They don't make sense and they don't sound that funny.

[EuchreJack]

Why?  These vehicles exist now.  The only real reason the LCS would have to wait to offer these vehicles would be the cost of purchasing them, so let that limit you instead.  Until then, you'll have to make money by stealing cars from the conservatives.

For more fun, how about the dealership specializes in making cars more environmentally-friendly?  Modifying the Conservative Battle Wagon (aka the standard SUV) into a low-polluting flower-powered Lovecouch (aka make it run off diesel, specifically vegetable diesel, and upgrading the exaust system).

[beorn080]

"Come to EuchreJack's Used Car Emporium, where the deals are so low, their crazy. Just had your SUV stolen? Why not replace it with an eco friendly Lovemachine? Runs on vegetables and sunshine, with 99% less pollution then before. Definitely want another SUV? Why not try one of our Share The Pain specials, where YOU will feel first hand the effects of pollution. So come on down to EuchreJack's Used Car Emporium, conveniently located right where the abandoned thermometer factory used to be."

[Yanlin]

Vegetables would cause a lot of pollution. Why not try hydrogen or air?

[mainiac]

Vegetables would cause a lot of pollution. Why not try hydrogen or air?

Bio-diesel is in theory a carbon neutral fuel since growing it removes as much CO2 as it burns.

Electric is the most eco-friendly choice of them all IMHO.

[Yanlin]

Vegetables would cause a lot of pollution. Why not try hydrogen or air?

Bio-diesel is in theory a carbon neutral fuel since growing it removes as much CO2 as it burns.

Electric is the most eco-friendly choice of them all IMHO.

That's incorrect. It depends on the vegetable. You're also forgetting GM food.

Besides, Hydrogen is more efficient than bio-diesel. Not to mention it's the most common thing in the universe.

However, law of energy conservation strikes again. If you make hydrogen from water and convert it back to water in the same engine, it will not be self sufficient. But, you could create the energy needed from solar powerplants or geothermal powerplants. How about a solar powerplant in space? NASA's working on that. It'll be far more potent. Ever heard about that satellite that watched the sun? SOHO was the name I think. If ALWAYS looks at the sun. Imagine a solar powerplant that always looks at the sun. Especially if we put it closer to it. But then we got temperature issues.

[Rezan]

No, Yanlin. All organic fuels work that way (well, if you look aside from the cost of processing). What the hell do you mean by "GM food"? What does genetically manipulated food have to do with vegetables being "more" or "less" CO2 neutral? The only difference it can make is how suitable the vegetables are for creating biodiesel, and it still won't be enough. Those vegetables could be eaten rather than spent to make fuel, you know.

Hydrogen is pretty good as an energy-carrier, but you'd need to refill it often, and it's very expensive due to the way PEMs work (you need platinum).

We're discussing vehicle energy, not magical pixie energy from space. There is no conceivable way to do spacetravel without extensive pollution right now, and there won't be for at least five decades.

Electric cars are undoubtedly "the future". They're effective and are becoming more and more advanced.

[beorn080]

Plants are inherent solar power factories. The best possible for ethanol fuel is sugarcane which by US law isn't allowed to be used for ethanol because there corn is produced natively, regardless of the fact that it isn't nearly as efficient. I haven't done much research in vegetable oil, but it takes very little energy compared to electric to produce, plus theres the fact that an electric car produces far more pollution right now then a gas powered car. At least in the USA. Thats because most electricity is produced by coal and oil burning, which is very nasty compared to plants, which absorb CO2.

Hydrogen is merely a power medium, not a power source. You need to separate the hydrogen from oxygen in order to use it and that takes energy. You can actually do it at home by running an electric current through water. The problem is the electricity is produced by coal and oil. So again, a fairly dirty source.

[Yanlin]

What about geothermal, solar and wind energy? Theoretically, it's possible to power all of the earth from just geothermal. But we have solar, wind, and hydro. (Water)

Especially with the recent breakthroughs in geothermal technology.

[EuchreJack]

"Come to EuchreJack's Used Car Emporium, where the deals are so low, their crazy. Just had your SUV stolen? Why not replace it with an eco friendly Lovemachine? Runs on vegetables and sunshine, with 99% less pollution then before. Definitely want another SUV? Why not try one of our Share The Pain specials, where YOU will feel first hand the effects of pollution. So come on down to EuchreJack's Used Car Emporium, conveniently located right where the abandoned thermometer factory used to be."

  LOL 

Nice job, it felt good to laugh after a hard day at work.

Also, one thing not mentioned about the vegetable-fueled cars is that they don't run off vegetables that are suitable for human consumption, at least not what most people would be willing to eat.  At best, we're talking about the vegetables that are used to feed livestock, specifically pigs.  That's why people who raise pigs are against ethanol fuel, as the corn prices will rise if ethanol fuels become widespread.

Good point on the electric cars using power derived from coal.  Nasty stuff, that coal.  Probably the most polluting of all energy sources, provided a nuclear reactors don't "hiccup".  Too bad coal is so common in the U.S., otherwise they might be tempted to stop using the stuff.

[beorn080]

Yanlin: Yes its possible to power earth with all those, yet the current truth is that extremely little power is derived from those sources compared to pollutants such as coal and oil. I was merely referring to current power sources when comparing the various sources. Yes hydrogen would be great if we had clean power stations to power the separation of water for it. Yes electric is great if we had clean power stations to charge the batteries. Bio-diesel gets most of its power from the sun cleanly, and converting it to oil doesn't take that much in the way of electricity. Funny thing is gasoline is actually cleaner then electric cars since the amount of coal needed to produce enough electricity to power then is worse then the gas used to power a car the same distance.

[Rezan]

Hydro has around 19% of the world's power generation. My entire country runs on hydro. It's cheap and quite effective (I think the energy conversion rate is over 80%). I'm not sure how the development potential is around the world these days though.

[mainiac]

Hydro is limited by location.  If we could build a thousand Hoover Dams, we would.  But we don't have a thousand suitable locations.

[beorn080]

Rezan: If that is true, then switching your country to electric cars would be a vast benefit to greenhouse gasses. I apologize that I forgot that one. Like mainac said however, Hydro is limited by location. However, tidal power isn't limited by location, aside from the fact that it needs to be on the shore. Optimum locations are tidal river locations but they can be built anywhere. Not sure on the power generated but its free, pretty constant, and a hell of a lot of it.