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[Asehujiko]

Dwarven way of getting mithril from trees: Put the tree on fire and pick up the mithril from the ashes. Be sure to burn any local elves too before they get too hostile.

[I3erent]

quote:Originally posted by Mechanoid:
<STRONG>Mithril = Naturally occuring pure aluminum, but combined as an alloy with another metal like copper or cobalt.
[At least, that's my guess]

[ August 22, 2007: Message edited by: Mechanoid ]</STRONG>

Mithril as defined by tolkien is true silver harder than steel and lighter, thats why i suggested an electrum and steel alloy or as the suggestion came up Perhaps a certain tree could absord mithril throught their roots, naturally the dwarves would say screw tree farming and dig down to the source. The tree serving as a marker or hint of mithril for them.

Another thought is that the adamantine in the game obviously is magical by nature since it encases the demons currently. Toady has said he doesnt know how he will handle the addy in the next release so maybe mithril could be a slight step down from addy but a playable resource?

Aegis fang had a mithril head encased magically in diamond and an adamantium shaft. I am a big proponent of more fancy weaponry/armor forging.

[ August 24, 2007: Message edited by: berent ]

[I3erent]

Uru would be nice too!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uru_%28Marvel_Comics%29

[mickel]

Allow me to reciprocate with DC comics' inertron.

Of course, it's pretty sci-fi.

[Tamren]

quote:Originally posted by berent:
[QB] Mithril as defined by tolkien is true silver harder than steel and lighter, thats why i suggested an electrum and steel alloy or as the suggestion came up Perhaps a certain tree could absord mithril throught their roots, naturally the dwarves would say screw tree farming and dig down to the source. The tree serving as a marker or hint of mithril for them.[QB]

The problem is melting electrum and steel together would just weaken the steel. If mithril in DF could be dug out of the ground in large ore veins it would be just like any other metal. There has to be some special process to it, thats where the tree comes in.

Electrum + steel would be the base formula. You would need ground that has all 3 ores present in it. The tree would leech the minerals out of the ground and slowly convert it into mithril. The mithril would eventually form large veins inside the tree. This could explain how elven trees are so strong.

Small deposits of mithril are present in shed branches and leaves. Since the tree sheds branches year round and all of its leaves annually, this could add up to a considerable mithril supply as some trees can reach massive size. If the mithril is not harvested, it simply mixes into the dead matter at the base of the tree and forms large deposits under and around the tree roots.

So how does that sound? It gives the elves a good material to work with, making them an actual challenge instead of a snooty annoyance.

While elves would get mithril the "organic" way, dwarves would up production as much as they could. This would mean grinding up the required ore in balanced quantities and seeding the soil with it. The mithril would build up and then be harvested by cutting down and burning the tree in a charcoal furnace, what you end up is a lot of charcoal, some ash and a puddle of mithril.

[Draco18s]

quote:Originally posted by Vendetta:
<STRONG>The reason that derivations of "Adamant" are used to refer to particularly hard materials is because it has the same etymological root as the word Diamond (the greek "adamas") and the two words have been, at various points in history, interchangeable</STRONG>

I just want to expand on this even more to actually get the point across:

"adamant" means "unbreakable" ("he was adamant in his beliefs") thus "adamantium" is the strongest (and unbreakable) metal.

[I3erent]

quote:Originally posted by Tamren:
<STRONG>

The problem is melting electrum and steel together would just weaken the steel. If mithril in DF could be dug out of the ground in large ore veins it would be just like any other metal. There has to be some special process to it, thats where the tree comes in.

Electrum + steel would be the base formula. You would need ground that has all 3 ores present in it. The tree would leech the minerals out of the ground and slowly convert it into mithril. The mithril would eventually form large veins inside the tree. This could explain how elven trees are so strong.

Small deposits of mithril are present in shed branches and leaves. Since the tree sheds branches year round and all of its leaves annually, this could add up to a considerable mithril supply as some trees can reach massive size. If the mithril is not harvested, it simply mixes into the dead matter at the base of the tree and forms large deposits under and around the tree roots.

So how does that sound? It gives the elves a good material to work with, making them an actual challenge instead of a snooty annoyance.

While elves would get mithril the "organic" way, dwarves would up production as much as they could. This would mean grinding up the required ore in balanced quantities and seeding the soil with it. The mithril would build up and then be harvested by cutting down and burning the tree in a charcoal furnace, what you end up is a lot of charcoal, some ash and a puddle of mithril.</STRONG>

I liek it alot!!!

[Fieari]

quote:Originally posted by Tamren:
<STRONG>

The problem is melting electrum and steel together would just weaken the steel. If mithril in DF could be dug out of the ground in large ore veins it would be just like any other metal. There has to be some special process to it, thats where the tree comes in.

Electrum + steel would be the base formula. You would need ground that has all 3 ores present in it. The tree would leech the minerals out of the ground and slowly convert it into mithril. The mithril would eventually form large veins inside the tree. This could explain how elven trees are so strong.

Small deposits of mithril are present in shed branches and leaves. Since the tree sheds branches year round and all of its leaves annually, this could add up to a considerable mithril supply as some trees can reach massive size. If the mithril is not harvested, it simply mixes into the dead matter at the base of the tree and forms large deposits under and around the tree roots.

So how does that sound? It gives the elves a good material to work with, making them an actual challenge instead of a snooty annoyance.

While elves would get mithril the "organic" way, dwarves would up production as much as they could. This would mean grinding up the required ore in balanced quantities and seeding the soil with it. The mithril would build up and then be harvested by cutting down and burning the tree in a charcoal furnace, what you end up is a lot of charcoal, some ash and a puddle of mithril.</STRONG>

You know, I had previously been opposed to Mithril in DF, given that Adamantine is basically the same thing renamed.  But now, hearing this?  Awesome.  I like.  I approve greatly.  I hope Toady sees it and agrees too.

[Tamren]

Heh glad you approve  

Question is how would this be implemented in terms of code? Obviously there would need to be a way to make trees produce other items. Shed leaves and seeds for starters. Then you have to control what happens to those products, seeds would mostly get eaten but a few would make more trees. Leaves and branches and such would rot away and become part of the soil.

[I3erent]

Now that they have the mithril how do the elves forge it eco friendly style?

[Tamren]

Well for one thing elves live IN a forest, so there is a lot of dead wood around whenever a storm knocks some down. It should be enough for smithing a few items every now and then if they do not use it for anything else. Keep in mind mithril is supposedly a rare metal so you would not see it on every elf or in every elf town.

Seeing as burning stuff to create heat is the only way to make stuff out of metal, elves seem to let it pass. If you trade metal items to the elves they will not complain even though you used charcoal to make them.

[I3erent]

Good thoughts just have to code storms in or maybe just a random drop from trees.
Wait a sec....ASCII tornadoes!!!!!!!

[Tamren]

procedurally generated tornadoes? lol awesome.

the devastation alone would be neat to see.

[ August 29, 2007: Message edited by: Tamren ]

[Lightning4]

quote:Originally posted by Tamren:
<STRONG>procedurally generated tornadoes? lol awesome.

the devastation alone would be neat to see.

[ August 29, 2007: Message edited by: Tamren ]</STRONG>

The carnage would be glorious. Dwarves, trees, and cows all whipping about getting flung every which way...

...

Could you imagine the unspeakable horror of a tornado hitting a large outdoor stone stockpile? Thousands of stones flying at lethal velocities everywhere, plowing down trees, goblins, and dwarves alike. Not to mention it would be totally awesome to watch as long as the framerate is stable

[ August 29, 2007: Message edited by: Lightning4 ]

[Goran]

well, i want bauxite ore and aluminum industry, esp. aluminum constructions, doors and window frames. Aluminum rocks.