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[Rex_Nex]

ice cave usually has better loot and more xp anyways, go for it

[lemon10]

Yeah, I would probably choose ice cave too. It seems to me at least that it has better loot on average, although the volcano usually has a ton of fire branded stuff, so if you want more rF then you should choose it.

[Vactor]

I was doing pretty well on buffs and escapes, and I found a +3 mottled dragon armor that I'm using now, sitting at AC:42 EV:14 SH:6, and I can wear my hat of the high council with it.

If I apply my buffs it gets up to AC:48 EV:22 SH:6 plus shroud and repel missiles. (and swiftness, blink, and control teleport)

I'm going to just dump my skills into dodging and air magic for the time being, my armor skill is up to 16 now.

Quick update, I killed a pearl dragon and dumped my 10 enchant armors into it, puts me up to AC: 62, EV: 19 once buffed.

[Robsoie]

It's odd but even after so many years, there's always some feeling of satisfaction when it happens :


I guess the memory of my old days when i was new to crawl and lost so many characters to that damned Sigmund are still lingering in there

edit : later




my spriggan assassin is still doing good, currently trying to clear Lair.
Though unfortunately despite i have it rather high by now, stealth is still completely unreliable

And worse, so far i didn't found great stabbing device too, my best one is a dagger of poison +1 so i'm reduced to either be very lucky and have stealth working nice, or be very unlucky and i have to kite with poison for a while.
For poison-resistant/immune enemy, it's worse, i had my wands but i'm running low, i really hope to find some really good stabbing device as that dagger isn't going to pull me through what's coming soon

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15.0 (tiles) character file.

Grod the Unseen (Spriggan Assassin)                Turns: 23059, Time: 01:25:48

HP  62/62        AC  6     Str  7      XL: 12   Next: 94%
MP  31/31        EV 27     Int 20      God: Yredelemnul [***...]
Gold 1047        SH  0     Dex 19      Spells:  2 memorised, 18 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis +     H - +1 dagger (venom)
rCold  + . .     Clarity  .     J - +2 robe "Foggail" {Dex-2 Int+4}
rNeg   + + .     rCorr    .     (shield restricted)
rPois  .         rRot     .     L - +0 hat {SInv}
rElec  .         Spirit   .     d - +1 cloak
SustAb .         Warding  +     (gloves unavailable)
rMut   .         Stasis   .     (boots unavailable)
Gourm  .                        X - amulet of warding
MR     ++...                    K - ring of positive energy
                                N - ring of protection from cold

@: very quick, very resistant to hostile enchantments, extraordinarily stealthy
A: unfitting armour, see invisible, clever 1, herbivore 3, speed 3, slow
metabolism 2, spit poison 1
a: Spit Poison, Animate Dead, Recall Undead Slaves, Injury Mirror, Renounce
Religion


You are on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Yredelemnul.
Yredelemnul is most pleased with you.
You are completely stuffed.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 17 of its levels.

You have collected 1071 gold pieces.
You have spent 24 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 b - a +0 blowgun
 j - a +0 short sword of draining
 H - a +1 dagger of venom (weapon)
Missiles
 e - 41 poisoned needles
 f - 7 curare-tipped needles
 m - 13 bolts of flame
Armour
 d - a +1 cloak (worn)
 E - a robe of cold resistance
 J - the +2 robe "Foggail" (worn) {Dex-2 Int+4}
   (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It affects your dexterity (-2).
 L - a +0 hat of see invisible (worn)
Magical devices
 c - a wand of slowing {zapped: 1}
 k - a wand of lightning {recharged}
 w - a wand of flame {zapped: 8}
 z - a wand of heal wounds {zapped: 1}
 C - a wand of draining {empty}
 I - a wand of enslavement {zapped: 1}
 O - a wand of frost {zapped: 7}
 W - a wand of hasting {zapped: 1}
Comestibles
 t - 6 slices of pizza
Scrolls
 l - a scroll of immolation
 r - a scroll of blinking
 y - 5 scrolls of teleportation
 B - 4 scrolls of fear
 F - a scroll of fog
Jewellery
 x - an uncursed amulet of guardian spirit
 D - a ring of ice
 K - a ring of positive energy (right hand)
 N - a ring of protection from cold (left hand)
 X - an amulet of warding (around neck)
Potions
 a - 2 potions of restore abilities
 g - a potion of haste
 h - a white potion
 o - a potion of magic
 p - 3 potions of curing
 s - 5 potions of flight
 A - 3 potions of cancellation
 G - a potion of agility
 Q - 2 potions of berserk rage
 U - 3 potions of might
 Y - a potion of lignification
 Z - a potion of heal wounds


   Skills:
 + Level 6,4 Fighting
 * Level 11,5 Short Blades
 - Level 3,0 Throwing
 + Level 5,6 Armour
 + Level 10,5 Dodging
 * Level 16,3 Stealth
 + Level 7,8 Spellcasting
 + Level 9,1 Translocations
 + Level 3,6 Invocations
 - Level 2,0 Evocations


You have 18 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Controlled Blink      Tloc           N/A          99%         7    #######
b - Summon Butterflies    Summ           #.......     12%         1    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (11/15)            Temple (1/1) D:6             Orc (0/4) D:9
   Lair (5/8) D:8           Snake (0/5) Lair:5     
 Swamp: Lair:3-6    Shoals: Lair:3-6   

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Jiyva

Shops:
D:5 *   D:6 =

Annotations:
D:5 Grinder, Menkaure


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are tiny and cannot use many weapons and most armour.
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
You are a herbivore.
You cover ground extremely quickly.
You need consume almost no food.
Your mind is acute. (Int +2)
You can spit poison.


Message History

You see here a book of the Warp.
Okay, then.
You drop a book of Geomancy.
You miscast Summon Butterflies.
You are very lightly contaminated with residual magic.
Your head hurts.
You start resting.
Magic restored.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
You swap places.
Your magical contamination has completely faded away.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
You drop 183 bolts.
Your butterfly disappears in a puff of smoke!
Your butterfly disappears in a puff of smoke! x3
You are alive. Your movement speed is very quick. Your attack speed is very fast.
You are very resistant to hostile enchantments.
You feel extraordinarily stealthy.
Char dumped to 'morgue/Grod.txt'.
Save game and exit?

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Rupert (Lair:5)
  Gastronok (Lair:1)
  Snorg (Lair:5)
  3 hydras
  Fannar (Lair:5)
  Harold (Lair:4)
  2 hill giants
  A wolf spider (Lair:2)
  3 black mambas
  5 spiny frogs
  A mermaid (Lair:5)
  3 komodo dragons
  Sonja (D:11)
  A two-headed ogre (D:8)
  Prince Ribbit (D:6)
  8 blink frogs
  A basilisk (Lair:3)
  Eustachio (D:9)
  16 yaks
  Grum (D:11)
  7 hippogriffs
  8 wolves
  9 water moccasins
  An ice beast (D:10)
  2 orc warriors
  4 sky beasts
  3 phantoms
  4 porcupines
  3 ogres
  A yellow wasp (Lair:2)
  Sigmund (D:4)
  4 big kobolds (D:9)
  A centaur (D:8)
  6 crocodiles
  12 giant frogs
  A gnoll sergeant (D:5)
  6 scorpions
  3 killer bees
  3 wights
  A quasit (D:4)
  3 crimson imps
  A yellow wasp zombie (D:6)
  16 hounds
  3 jellies
  7 orc priests
  Crazy Yiuf (D:3)
  5 orc wizards
  8 iguanas
  8 worker ants
  A two-headed ogre skeleton (D:6)
  20 sheep
  Ijyb (D:5)
  A hound zombie (D:8)
  A mottled dragon skeleton (D:10)
  A worker ant zombie (D:5)
  41 green rats
  14 adders
  8 gnolls
  An orc zombie (D:8)
  5 giant mites
  2 shadow imps
  3 worms
  An orc skeleton (D:10)
  4 giant geckos
  33 orcs
  12 bats
  8 giant cockroaches
  11 goblins
  7 hobgoblins
  8 jackals
  21 kobolds
  16 quokkas
  A ball python (D:3)
  2 giant gecko skeletons (D:4)
  A giant gecko zombie (D:6)
  2 giant newts
  A goblin skeleton (D:4)
  2 hobgoblin zombies
  A kobold skeleton (D:5)
  A quokka skeleton (D:5)
  11 rats
427 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A sheep (D:9)
1 creature vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A fungus (Lair:5)
  4 plants (D:8)
5 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 433 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Grod, the Spriggan Assassin, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 2/2
   120 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 11/14 MP: 4/4
   519 | D:2      | Reached skill level 6 in Stealth
   870 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 13/18 MP: 6/6
  1024 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 23/23 MP: 8/8
  2636 | D:3      | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
  2647 | D:3      | Killed Crazy Yiuf
  2647 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 27/27 MP: 10/10
  2845 | D:4      | Noticed Sigmund
  2860 | D:4      | Killed Sigmund
  2983 | D:4      | Noticed a phantom
  3192 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Stealth
  3192 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 27/32 MP: 10/12
  3531 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
  3977 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  4017 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  4017 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades
  4017 | D:4      | Reached skill level 8 in Stealth
  4113 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 15/35 MP: 9/14
  4276 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4311 | D:5      | Found Ivaleulap's Assorted Antiques.
  4312 | D:5      | Noticed Menkaure
  4563 | D:5      | Reached skill level 9 in Stealth
  4744 | D:5      | Noticed Grinder
  4776 | D:5      | Paralysed by Grinder for 6 turns
  5088 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  5285 | D:6      | Found Stoistr Ocat's Jewellery Shoppe.
  5338 | D:6      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  5382 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  5885 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 40/40 MP: 16/16
  6411 | D:6      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  6850 | D:6      | Noticed Prince Ribbit
  6874 | D:6      | Killed Prince Ribbit
  6874 | D:6      | Reached skill level 10 in Stealth
  7087 | D:5      | Noticed Ijyb
  7100 | D:5      | Killed Ijyb
  7138 | D:5      | Learned a level 7 spell: Controlled Blink
  7252 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations
  7468 | D:5      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  7472 | D:5      | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Incunabulum of Dark Arts
  7476 | D:5      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  7508 | D:5      | Identified Sif Muna's Compendium of Circular Logic
  7550 | D:5      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  7554 | D:5      | Identified Vehumet's Disquisition on Conjuration (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)
  7668 | D:5      | Paralysed by Grinder for 3 turns
  7691 | D:5      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  7841 | D:5      | Bought a glowing green potion for 24 gold pieces
  8287 | D:5      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  8289 | D:5      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  8314 | D:5      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  8316 | D:5      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  8403 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Spellcasting
  9203 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 45/45 MP: 20/20
  9344 | D:7      | Gained mutation: Your mind is acute. (Int +2) [potion of mutation]
  9344 | D:7      | Gained mutation: You can spit poison. [potion of mutation]
  9444 | D:7      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  9756 | D:8      | Reached skill level 11 in Stealth
 10044 | D:8      | Learned a level 1 spell: Summon Butterflies
 10150 | D:8      | Noticed a komodo dragon
 10157 | D:8      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 10699 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 10733 | Lair:1   | Got a thick robe
 10744 | Lair:1   | Identified the +2 robe "Foggail" {Dex-2 Int+4} (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
 10792 | Lair:1   | Noticed a komodo dragon
 10800 | Lair:1   | Killed a komodo dragon
 11117 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 12 in Stealth
 11590 | Lair:1   | Noticed Gastronok
 11603 | Lair:1   | Killed Gastronok
 11603 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 5 in Translocations
 11603 | Lair:1   | Reached XP level 10. HP: 42/51 MP: 20/25
 12231 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 13 in Stealth
 12664 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 13105 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting
 13560 | Lair:2   | Noticed a wolf spider
 13562 | Lair:2   | Noticed a black mamba
 13569 | Lair:2   | Killed a wolf spider
 13569 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 11. HP: 56/56 MP: 28/28
 13934 | Lair:2   | Killed a black mamba
 14089 | Lair:2   | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 14799 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 14 in Stealth
 15199 | Lair:3   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 15205 | Lair:3   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 15205 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 10 in Short Blades
 15205 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
 16146 | Temple   | Became a worshipper of Yredelemnul the Dark
 16528 | D:9      | Noticed Eustachio
 16535 | D:9      | Killed Eustachio
 16585 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 16806 | D:9      | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
 16935 | D:9      | Acquired Yredelemnul's first power
 17076 | D:9      | Noticed a three-headed hydra
 17079 | D:9      | Killed a three-headed hydra
 17251 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
 17444 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 17773 | D:10     | Noticed a hill giant
 17801 | D:10     | Killed a hill giant
 18206 | D:11     | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
 18405 | D:11     | Acquired Yredelemnul's second power
 18630 | D:11     | Noticed a hill giant
 18716 | D:11     | Killed a hill giant
 18716 | D:11     | Reached XP level 12. HP: 36/60 MP: 20/30
 18866 | D:11     | Noticed Grum
 18868 | D:11     | Killed Grum
 18903 | D:11     | Reached skill level 15 in Stealth
 18962 | D:11     | Noticed Sonja
 18967 | D:11     | Killed Sonja
 20095 | Lair:4   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 20416 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 20697 | Lair:4   | Got a shimmering lead amulet
 20699 | Lair:4   | Identified the amulet of Makhleb's Wrath {Stasis Dex-4} (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)
 20913 | Lair:4   | Noticed Harold
 20919 | Lair:4   | Killed Harold
 21240 | Lair:4   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 21835 | Lair:5   | Noticed Rupert
 21845 | Lair:5   | Killed Rupert
 21845 | Lair:5   | Acquired Yredelemnul's third power
 21858 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 16 in Stealth
 21935 | Lair:5   | Noticed Snorg
 21942 | Lair:5   | Killed Snorg
 22109 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 22145 | Lair:5   | Noticed Fannar
 22238 | Lair:5   | Killed Fannar


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Dagger            |    41 |   378 |   573 |  1335 ||  2327
 Fire: Blowgun           |    24 |    21 |    18 |       ||    63
 Cast: Summon Butterflie |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
Invok: Animate Remains   |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
Evoke: Wand              |       |     5 |    11 |    43 ||    59
  Use: Scroll            |       |       |    13 |    30 ||    43
       Potion            |       |       |     1 |     3 ||     4
 Stab: Sleeping          |     9 |    13 |    40 |    58 ||   120
       Distracted        |     2 |     1 |     3 |     4 ||    10
  Eat: Pizza             |       |     1 |       |       ||     1
       Bread ration      |       |       |     1 |     1 ||     2
       Fruit             |       |       |     3 |     5 ||     8
       Royal jelly       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1



[AlStar]

I am (perhaps wrongly, I don't know - we've had a team in previous years) trying to get a team started on the other board that I'm on, which is why I'm not playing with you guys, but I thought that I'd share some of my thoughts on my current character:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

So, I heard that gargoyles are a pretty decent race - easy, some people say. Well, I agree with those people. The starting resistances plus the high natural (and increasing!) AC means that it's very hard to damage you, and although the natural -20% HPs can make things get a little scary when you're going against heavy hitters, you've usually got more than enough time to chug a potion or read a scroll before things really turn sour.

My first character, a GrGl (Gargoyle Gladiator) is still going, up to level 18 with two runes (decaying and gossamer.) I had some amazing luck - first off, I found a great hat: the +2 hat of the Bear Spirit {Spirit, +Rage rN+ MR++} in an early labyrinth. Then, I found out that a stack of three scrolls I was carrying were scrolls of acquire. The first scroll got me this awesome ring: the ring "Feinot" {+Inv rF+ rC+ rN+ MR+ Int+3}. To balance that out, the other two scrolls gave me common useless rings.

Finally, my first potion of mutation (drunk while ID'ing potions) gave me clarity, cold resistance, and frail (with the first two being the good ones, obviously.)

Trying out one of the new gods: Qazlal Stormbringer - I've got to say, I like him. You get clouds constantly spawning around you (lightning, fire, cold, and dust) plus an automatic shielding that increases with piety and gets you repel missile when it gets high enough. It gets better though! At very high piety, he'll start giving you shielding for whatever damage your taking. You can also summon friendly elementals from your clouds, and smite-targeted explosions of elemental damage. The only (although somewhat major) disadvantage is that you're basically walking around shouting "I'm here!" so expect large amounts of wandering monsters and you're never going to sneak up on anyone.

So, now that I've said all that, I'm sure I'll die a horrible death, but even if that happens, two runes off my very first character is not bad. I'd totally recommend gargoyles for anyone starting out. Very survivable.

[Retropunch]

my spriggan assassin is still doing good, currently trying to clear Lair.
Though unfortunately despite i have it rather high by now, stealth is still completely unreliable

And worse, so far i didn't found great stabbing device too, my best one is a dagger of poison +1 so i'm reduced to either be very lucky and have stealth working nice, or be very unlucky and i have to kite with poison for a while.
For poison-resistant/immune enemy, it's worse, i had my wands but i'm running low, i really hope to find some really good stabbing device as that dagger isn't going to pull me through what's coming soon

Stealth will always be somewhat unreliable and you definitely need a skill for dealing with stuff that can't be stabbed. With Spriggans you need to use speed to your advantage and choose something ranged, or use go down the hexes route.
With high enough stealth you should be able to do large parts of levels without waking anyone up, giving you a massive XP boost that you can funnel into your other skills.

[Rex_Nex]

I am (perhaps wrongly, I don't know - we've had a team in previous years) trying to get a team started on the other board that I'm on, which is why I'm not playing with you guys, but I thought that I'd share some of my thoughts on my current character:

Gr is indeed stupidly good. +2-20 AC, +30% GDR in Robes/Hides and +10% in other armors, poison immunity, rE+, rRot, rN+, rTorment in trade for -20% HP and slightly meh aptitudes. They are deep dwarf-level EEs from the getgo (and eventually become much better) and quickly ramp up into minotaur-level tabbers. Not to mention that the elec immunity is actually really good now that there are more elec enemies. Poison immunity is in a similar state now that rPois alone doesn't really do a ton unless you're being pelted by venom bolt or something.

Although I do admit beogh smite rips apart gargoyles.

[Robsoie]

Stealth will always be somewhat unreliable and you definitely need a skill for dealing with stuff that can't be stabbed. With Spriggans you need to use speed to your advantage and choose something ranged, or use go down the hexes route.
With high enough stealth you should be able to do large parts of levels without waking anyone up, giving you a massive XP boost that you can funnel into your other skills.

the speed indeed saved my spriggan hundred of time for dealing with non-sleeping and poison resistant enemies, if my guy wouldn't have been a spriggan, he would have been dead a long time ago

[Leafsnail]

Well DDs are clearly better.  They have 50% more HP, a really powerful item in their starting inventory, a better form of defense and a mostly irrelevant drawback.

Gr are good but I'd say they're worse than the "classic" melee races like Mi and HO.  Having a lot of AC makes it easy to take on loads of weak melee monsters at once, but when you start getting hit by really hard attacks you'd rather have the HP.

[Retropunch]

Well DDs are clearly better.  They have 50% more HP, a really powerful item in their starting inventory, a better form of defense and a mostly irrelevant drawback.

Gr are good but I'd say they're worse than the "classic" melee races like Mi and HO.  Having a lot of AC makes it easy to take on loads of weak melee monsters at once, but when you start getting hit by really hard attacks you'd rather have the HP.

DD's are better for an experienced player, but the 'not being able to heal on rest' thing is really tricky for people starting out (especially if they don't choose a good class) who tend to get badly hurt often.

Gargoyles have resistances to most of the nasty stuff that you're likely to encounter, and give a lot of room for error with their good AC.   

 

[Leafsnail]

I think if you 1) know that evo boosts your MP and 2) are not afraid to use your wand then DD will be the easiest race to win with, the lack of regenerating HP is much less of a problem than you'd think.  This is particularly true if you go Makhleb (who's a good option for any character build anyway).

The only Gargoyle resist that could possibly matter to a beginner is rPois, and I don't think that's much of a game changer (particularly now it's been nerfed).  AC is nice, of course, but I think having enough HP to not get shot down in two hits from some magic-using enemy is better.

[Parsely]

On the other hand, if you run away from too many fights, you miss out on XP and possibly items, and end up under-levelled. Resulting in more and more of the monsters at your current depth being dangerous, and eventually all the fights are hard fights.

This is how I've always felt. I can't stand leaving anything unkilled, and I feel like if I move on to the next floor without killing everything I'll be too weak to be able to survive. Death by a thousand missed 1XP drops.

[Robsoie]

question , with my spriggan assassin i have been really getting bad weaponry loot, so to keep my stabbing good i had to stick with what i had best, and while i was clearing Lair it was a +1 dagger of poison and a +0 short sword of draining.
And only 1 scroll enchant weapon 1 (the one i used to get +1 ) , it's all the bad luck i had with that character in weapon loot.

But still alive while clearing the last level of Lair (i got the one with the big cave full of canine and bear monsters) very thanks to the Yredelemnul "animate dead" that kept my supporting army strong enough to deal with the horde until they were all gone, i found this :

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the +9 long sword "Laep" (weapon) {freeze, rElec rF+}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It has been specially enchanted to freeze those struck by it, causing extra
   injury to most foes and up to double damage against particularly susceptible
   opponents. It can also slow down cold-blooded creatures.
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It insulates you from electricity.That is rather amazing, while 2 handed (so no shield but i found none anyways, yeah great luck ... ) and i have 6 in long blade skill thanks to the crosstraining (in opposed to 12 in short stabbing devices)
So in comparison to the crap i had, i'll switch happily.

But i'm wondering at that point, in past when stabbing was a skill and not an averaging of stealth+the weapon skill , long blade while not having as highly damaging bonus as short sword were still having some nice stabbing bonus.
Is it still true in 0.15 ?

edit : must be true, i managed to clear Orc : 4 (thanks a lot to Yredelemnul animated dead i must say) , it was the one with an absurd amount of crossbow using orcs and i managed to one shot stab many creatures there.
I managed to get an insane amount of bolts from that floor :


I guess i will not worry about ammo for a  long time

[Dr Feelgood]

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Dungeon Sprint DCSS version 0.15.0 (tiles) character file.

6174353 Demos the Conqueror (level 17, 138/139 HPs)
             Began as a Gargoyle Berserker on Aug 31, 2014.
             Was a High Priest of Trog.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 3 runes!
             
             The game lasted 01:44:05 (9813 turns).

Demos the Conqueror (Gargoyle Berserker)            Turns: 9813, Time: 01:44:05

HP 138/139       AC 56     Str 32      XL: 17   Next: 24%
MP  22/34        EV  9     Int  9      God: Trog [*****.]
Gold 777         SH  0     Dex 11      Spells:  0 memorised, 16 levels left

rFire  + + .     SeeInvis +     c - +4 claymore (holy)
rCold  + . .     Clarity  .     M - +5 plate armour {rF+}
rNeg   + . .     rCorr    .     (no shield)
rPois  +         rRot     +     L - +2 helmet {SInv}
rElec  +         Spirit   .     K - +2 cloak {MR+}
SustAb .         Warding  .     J - +2 pair of gloves {archery}
rMut   +         NoTele   +     l - +2 pair of boots {run}
Gourm  .                        Q - amulet of Desertification {rMut MR+ Dex+2 SInv}
MR     +++..                    N - ring of protection from fire
                                m - ring of protection from cold

@: mighty, flying, heavily contaminated, glowing, quick, extremely resistant to
hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: able to fly continuously, big wings, negative energy resistance 1,
electricity resistance, unbreathing, petrification resistance, rot immunity, AC
+12
a: Stop Flying, Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms,
Renounce Religion
0: Orb of Zot
}: 3/10 runes: decaying, serpentine, silver


You escaped.
You worshipped Trog.
Trog was extremely pleased with you.
You were full.

You visited 1 branch
You collected 6071 gold pieces.
You spent 5294 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 c - a +4 claymore of holy wrath (weapon)
   (Trog gifted it to you in the Dungeon)
 d - a +5 antimagic claymore
   (Trog gifted it to you in the Dungeon)
 t - a +6 great sword of freezing
   (Trog gifted it to you in the Dungeon)
Missiles
 E - 7 curare-tipped needles
Armour
 l - a +2 pair of boots of running (worn)
   (You bought it in a shop in the Dungeon)
 w - a +0 hat of spirit shield
   (You took it off Gastronok in the Dungeon)
 J - a +2 pair of gloves of archery (worn)
   (You bought it in a shop in the Dungeon)
 K - a +2 cloak of magic resistance (worn)
   (You bought it in a shop in the Dungeon)
 L - a +2 helmet of see invisible (worn)
   (You bought it in a shop in the Dungeon)
 M - a +5 plate armour of fire resistance (worn)
   (You took it off a vault guard in the Dungeon)
Magical devices
 a - a wand of heal wounds (5) {!d}
   (You bought it in a shop in the Dungeon)
 b - a wand of disintegration (10)
   (You took it off a vault guard in the Dungeon)
 B - a wand of digging (7)
   (You found it in the Dungeon)
Comestibles
 j - 5 fruits
 q - 2 meat rations
 u - 26 royal jellies
Scrolls
 i - 2 scrolls of blinking
 p - a scroll of remove curse
 H - a scroll of fog
Jewellery
 m - a ring of protection from cold (left hand)
   (You bought it in a shop in the Dungeon)
 r - the ring "Thrueh" {rPois rN+ MR+}
   (You bought it in a shop in the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of positive energy]
   
   It protects you from poison.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
 s - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
   (You took it off a vault guard in the Dungeon)
 I - the ring "Goequuw" {rPois Slay+4 SInv Stlth-}
   (You bought it in a shop in the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of loudness]
   
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+4).
   It protects you from poison.
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It makes you less stealthy.
 N - a ring of protection from fire (right hand)
   (You took it off a skeletal warrior in the Dungeon)
 P - an uncursed ring of ice
   (You found it in the Dungeon)
 Q - the amulet of Desertification (around neck) {rMut MR+ Dex+2 SInv}
   (You took it off a vault guard in the Dungeon)   
   
   [amulet of resist mutation]
   
   It protects you from mutation.
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It enhances your eyesight.
 V - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
   (You took it off a vault guard in the Dungeon)
Potions
 e - 6 potions of heal wounds
 g - 2 potions of magic
 h - a potion of berserk rage
 v - a potion of cure mutation
 x - 9 potions of curing
 O - a potion of cancellation
Miscellaneous
 n - a disc of storms
   (You bought it in a shop in the Dungeon)
 o - a sack of spiders
   (You found it in the Dungeon)
 y - a phial of floods
   (You bought it in a shop in the Dungeon)
 A - a legendary deck of summonings
   (You bought it in a shop in the Dungeon)
 C - a fan of gales (inert)
   (You bought it in a shop in the Dungeon)
 W - a fan of gales
   (You found it in the Dungeon)


   Skills:
 O Level 27 Fighting
 + Level 26.8 Long Blades
 O Level 27 Armour
 - Level 1.5 Dodging
 + Level 16.0 Evocations


You had 16 spell levels left.
You didn't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (1/1)             

Altars:
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Jiyva
Lugonu

Shops:
D ?=[%[}?}%!%!}%[[:%!(?}!=

Annotations:
D exclusion: door


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are resistant to torment.
You are immune to poison.
You can fly continuously.
Your stone body is very resilient (AC +12).
Your wings are large and strong.
You resist negative energy.
You are resistant to electric shocks.
You can survive without breathing.
You are immune to petrification.
You are immune to rotting.


Message History

The iron devil hits you with a great sword.
An ice devil comes into view.
Your plate armour prevents you from hitting the ice devil.
The iron devil hits you but does no damage.
The iron devil hits you with a great sword!
You hear a distant "Zot"!
You slice the ice devil!! The ice devil convulses!!
The ice devil is severely wounded.
The iron devil closely misses you.
The iron devil hits you but does no damage.
You hear a distant "Zot"!
The ice devil hits you but does no damage.
You cut the ice devil into ribbons!!!
You kill the ice devil!
Trog accepts your kill.
The iron devil barely misses you. x2
You closely miss the iron devil.
You feel the effects of Trog's Hand fading.
You hit the iron devil. The iron devil convulses.
The iron devil is moderately wounded.
The iron devil hits you but does no damage.
The iron devil hits you with a great sword!
You hit the iron devil. The iron devil convulses.
The iron devil is heavily wounded.
The iron devil hits you with a great sword.
The iron devil barely misses you.
You barely miss the iron devil.
The iron devil is heavily wounded.
The iron devil hits you but does no damage. x2
You slash the iron devil! The iron devil convulses!
You kill the iron devil!
Trog accepts your kill.
Your Evocations skill increases to level 16!
A mighty gale blasts forth from the fan!
The winds coalesce and take form.
Your skin stops crawling.
You feel less resistant to hostile enchantments.
You feel stupid.
You feel yourself speed up.
You feel less exhausted.
You hear a distant "Zot"!
There is an open door here.
There is an open door here.
There is an open door here.
There is a staircase leading out of the dungeon here.
Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
It has a very clean taste.
You feel clever.
You hear a distant "Zot"!
You have escaped!

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The Ten Rune Challenge is fun. It's the least gimmicky Sprint map. I took the shortest path to victory. Next time, I'll grab the other runes before touching the Orb. Fedhas' Mad Dash is the only map left. Then, I have only 5 races and 4 gods left to win in regular Crawl.

I think if you 1) know that evo boosts your MP and 2) are not afraid to use your wand then DD will be the easiest race to win with, the lack of regenerating HP is much less of a problem than you'd think.  This is particularly true if you go Makhleb (who's a good option for any character build anyway).

The only Gargoyle resist that could possibly matter to a beginner is rPois, and I don't think that's much of a game changer (particularly now it's been nerfed).  AC is nice, of course, but I think having enough HP to not get shot down in two hits from some magic-using enemy is better.

Gargoyles are immune to noxious clouds/miasma, resistant to poison and elec, and gain permanent flight early. All of which makes getting the lair and vault runes simpler. They're pretty easy for a 3-rune game. I prefer deep dwarves, but they're slightly more complicated.

[Leafsnail]

Yeah you can rattle off benefits for Gargoyles all day, but if you stop and think they're not actually that important.  There's only a couple of enemies that use noxious gases (mainly just Swamp Drakes, which only appear half the time) or electricity (storm dragons and electric golems, plus Nikola I guess), it's hardly a major factor.