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[Elephant Parade]

Dwarven and elven armour was slightly neat because it added flavour, but DCSS doesn't seem to be a flavour-y game.

Honestly, I think DCSS is turning into more of a roguelike-lite. There's nothing wrong with that, per se, but it's not what everyone wants.

Edit: Actually, no. It's not turning into a roguelike-lite. It's getting slightly less heavy, to the point where most major roguelikes are heavier. I doubt that it'll ever become a true roguelike-lite.

[Duuvian]

disagreeing with devs choices does not mean "devs hate"

Yeah, I mean really, I even called them talented in the same post I disagreed with them.

[Leafsnail]

Stat draining and mutations are still in the game.  So is item destruction, for now.

Basically the problem with hitting the player's inventory rather than the player is that it's always going to encourage some kind of dropping or swapping of items to avoid losing the stuff you care about.  This is annoying in that it forces you to do something but it's not actually challenging (it's just a test of whether you have the patience to go upstairs and swap into a fresh set of armour every time you meet a jelly).

[frostshotgg]

My understanding is that one of the basic principles the devs had in mind when they first started was to remove a lot of the skill-less grinding/repetition of unimportant tasks or barrier of knowledge that are present in a lot of roguelikes. Things like victory dancing didn't actually require any complex decision making, it just required you to know to do it. Item destruction is more of the same. Oh, is that an enemy that can destroy items? Time to drop everything and pick it up when its dead.

[monk12]

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1178769 monk12 the Bringer of Light (level 27, -26/176 HPs)
             Began as a Gargoyle Fighter on May 23, 2014.
             Was the Champion of the Shining One.
             Killed from afar by a Hell Sentinel (44 damage)
             ... with a blast of hellfire
             ... on Level 7 of the Iron City of Dis on May 28, 2014.
             The game lasted 10:14:47 (106222 turns).

A new personal best of 12 runes is little comfort when that guy was poised to be my first 15 runer...

[tompliss]

Well, Hellfire is the one main danger for Gargoyles, (only thing not resisted by nature, and with the -20% HP...), so you've got that for you ...

[Leafsnail]

Item destruction is also now removed from trunk.  I like these changes, I think it may be the single biggest playability upgrade since victory dancingg was removed.

[Robsoie]

If there's something removed i will not regret, item destruction is right there.
I never liked to have to drop all my scrolls as soon as anything with fire spell/breath/whatever was popping up, or all my potions as soon as cold spell/breath/whatever was appearing.
And how about those nice food stock you were carrying to your hideout and .... oh harpies are spawning on the way back ?

And considering the "amulet of conservation" still had chances of completely failing, it just was near useless then , and so you still had to drop items constantly in order to avoid losing your precious and really needed items.

Though the alternative of removing entirely item destruction would have been to make the amulet of conservation 100% efficient, so at least it would have had an actual use instead of the lottery it was, as amulet swapping has always been a part of crawl anyways

[Leafsnail]

I think harpy food eating was removed a while ago because it was particularly silly (food has virtually zero tactical worth so it didn't even ask you to go without something for that fight).

[Gamerlord]

I think harpy food eating was removed a while ago because it was particularly silly (food has virtually zero tactical worth so it didn't even ask you to go without something for that fight).

In a Sprint map I once ran into a pack of Harpies just before a room with three hungry ghosts. Food is freaking important.

[Leafsnail]

It's important if a sprint is specifically designed to make it important I guess.  An attack from multiple hungry ghosts that you can't evade in any way is something that doesn't come up in real games.

[Retropunch]

All of these changes seem good because they've been gradually forced out into specific cases and annoyances. Food used to be a hell of a lot more important and strategical, but now it's been gradually edged off so it feels as though it's completely unimportant now. Same with item destruction - it used to be a key part of the game that you had to plan around, now it's just the odd thing with sticky flame that destroys everything in your inventory.

There could be all sorts of better ways to accomplish it, without just ditching the mechanic. Resistances could help shield items, items could only be damaged for a while (this was an idea and was nearly implemented I do believe) so you couldn't use them whilst you were on fire/for a while after and all sorts of more creative ideas.

Just removing stuff makes it simpler and simpler, with nothing exciting to take it's place.

[Gamerlord]

All of these changes seem good because they've been gradually forced out into specific cases and annoyances. Food used to be a hell of a lot more important and strategical, but now it's been gradually edged off so it feels as though it's completely unimportant now. Same with item destruction - it used to be a key part of the game that you had to plan around, now it's just the odd thing with sticky flame that destroys everything in your inventory.

True. But seriously, FUCK STICKY FLAME.

[tompliss]

Just removing stuff makes it simpler and simpler, with nothing exciting to take it's place.

Well, they spent less time designing/implementing/balancing new mecanics and can add more races/branches/gods/items...

[Mindmaker]

Just removing stuff makes it simpler and simpler, with nothing exciting to take it's place.

Well, they spent less time designing/implementing/balancing new mecanics and can add more races/branches/gods/items...

Things being added in Crawl? Heresy! There's still so much that can be removed.