Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[Mr Space Cat]

Quick question from a first-time Zinnite: I know he doesn't like Transmutations, given that all those books are red, but will he hate me for using Ignite Poison (Fire/Transmutation) ?

Does the spell not mention whether Zin approves of the spell or not? I know with some gods the description for spells or items mentions "X approves of this spell." or "X forbids the use of such ane vil item/spell/whatever."

[Niveras]

Just downloaded latest trunk; I presume Djinn have been removed? There's now Vine stalkers who "cannot regain health from potions or devices; magical reserves absorb damage and they have a magic-restoring bite."

Also, apparently lava orcs were removed per the may 7 trunk notes but it's in this build I downloaded (windows tile build, says last updated may 14) so IDK.

[monk12]

Quick question from a first-time Zinnite: I know he doesn't like Transmutations, given that all those books are red, but will he hate me for using Ignite Poison (Fire/Transmutation) ?

Does the spell not mention whether Zin approves of the spell or not? I know with some gods the description for spells or items mentions "X approves of this spell." or "X forbids the use of such ane vil item/spell/whatever."

Ah so it does, and so he does! This might actually turn out okay; I'm not sure what I'm doing with this character, but I should be able to get through Spider now...

[jakeread1]

I'm so addicted to the tower defense mode, it's so fun to watch my sentient plants melt people alive, and then swipe their equipment and put it into a giant pile. Amazing game, good work developers.

[Robsoie]

Running a Minotaur Fighter, took Okawaru at some point before Lair and found the +7 Singing Sword.
As i had no skill in long blade, i decided to explore more to grind some skill points for it before going to Lair (as a base damage 15 and the +7 bonus was really much much stronger than the +2 flail i was using so far) even with the big noise generated at that point i thought it would be really good for my melee-oriented guy.

So after clearing some levels i ran into Erolcha.

Good old Erolcha, i rushed and took out 1/3 of her health on a turn, another 1/3 on the 2nd turn, was preparing to destroy that unique on 3rd turn , except that ... Abyss
Damn !
But not so Damn ! because at only 7 tiles from my position there was a gate out of Abyss !

I started to move toward it, and i'm teleported to another region ... oh yeah i forgot the trolling anti-me code of Crawl

Anyways, the less i can say is that it was then completely hopeless, as i didn't found any other portal and got slowly but surely overwhelmed by insane amount of heavy casters/hitters that made sure i was running out of any healing and cure potion.

For the fun of it, the Abyss "transient" (as in "temporary" apparently) mutations i got before losing that guy  :

[tompliss]

that's a nice list, and you have nearly all the worse (berserkitis, -20%HP, armour fits poorly, blurry vision, fast metabolism,...).

[Dr Feelgood]

I was looking for more ways to tweak the game options, and I came across this thread:

https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=12011&hilit=gretell

I've been trying it offline. I haven't experienced any lua errors or memory problems yet.

Anyhow, I finished the thunderdome.

Code: [Select]

Dungeon Sprint DCSS version 0.15-a0-812-gf5d8342 (tiles) character file.

105054 Demos the Eviscerator (level 17, 105/105 HPs)
             Began as a Felid Transmuter on May 16, 2014.
             Was the Champion of Jiyva.
             Escaped with the Orb!
             The game lasted 03:16:12 (6787 turns).

Demos the Eviscerator (Felid Transmuter)            Turns: 6787, Time: 03:16:12

HP 105/105       AC  7     Str 11      XL: 17   Next:  9%
MP  31/39        EV 34     Int 27      God: Jiyva [******]
Gold 1250        SH  0     Dex 16      Spells: 12 memorised,  4 levels left
                                       Lives: 1, deaths: 4

rFire  + . .     SeeInvis +       - Unarmed
rCold  + + .     Clarity  +     (armour unavailable)
rNeg   . . .     Conserve .     (shield unavailable)
rPois  +         rCorr    +     (helmet unavailable)
rElec  +         rRot     .     (cloak unavailable)
SustAb . .       Spirit   .     (gloves unavailable)
rMut   .         Warding  .     (boots unavailable)
Gourm  .         NoTele   +     (no amulet)
MR     ++...                    (no ring)
                                (no ring)

@: deflect missiles, regenerating, brilliant, agile, very slightly contaminated,
hasted, glowing, very quick, very resistant to hostile enchantments, very
unstealthy
A: paw claws, no armour, no weapons or thrown items, fangs 3, icy blue scales 1,
rugged brown scales 2, see invisible, berserk 1, carnivore 3, clarity, clumsy 1,
dopey 1, speed 1, low mp 1, shaggy fur 3, slow metabolism 1, strong 2, acidic
bite, gelatinous body 2, pseudopods 1, evolution 1, tendrils, jump 3
a: Jump Attack, Request Jelly, Jelly Paralyse, Slimify, Cure Bad Mutation,
Renounce Religion
0: Orb of Zot
}: 6/15 runes: serpentine, slimy, elven, silver, icy, gossamer


You escaped.
You worshipped Jiyva.
Jiyva was exalted by your worship.
You were hungry.

You visited 1 branch
You collected 11520 gold pieces.
You spent 10270 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Magical devices
 d - a wand of heal wounds (2) {!d}
   (You bought it in a shop in the Dungeon)
 n - a wand of heal wounds (3) {!d}
   (You bought it in a shop in the Dungeon)
Jewellery
 b - an uncursed ring of wizardry {unknown}
   (You found it in the Dungeon)
Potions
 a - 2 potions of berserk rage
 c - a potion of experience
 e - 2 potions of magic
 g - a potion of curing
 m - 3 potions of brilliance


   Skills:
 + Level 24.6 Fighting
 - Level 13.4 Dodging
 + Level 24.7 Unarmed Combat
 + Level 23.0 Spellcasting
 - Level 16.0 Hexes
 - Level 14.2 Charms
 - Level 3.0 Necromancy
   Level 3.6 Translocations
 - Level 12.0 Transmutations
 + Level 18.3 Earth Magic


You had 4 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Beastly Appendage     Trmt           ######       0%          1    None
b - Spider Form           Trmt/Pois      ######....   1%          3    None
c - Blade Hands           Trmt           #######...   1%          5    None
d - Ice Form              Ice/Trmt       ######....   1%          4    None
e - Statue Form           Trmt/Erth      #######...   1%          6    None
f - Leda's Liquefaction   Hex/Erth       #######...   0%          4    None
g - Silence               Hex/Air        ######....   1%          5    None
h - Haste                 Chrm           #######.     1%          6    None
i - Iron Shot             Conj/Erth      #######...   1%          6    None
j - Shatter               Erth           #######...   6%          9    ######.
m - Deflect Missiles      Chrm/Air       ######....   1%          6    None
r - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      #######...   1%          3    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (1/1)             

Altars:
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Jiyva
Lugonu

Shops:
D *[%??*?*:[((!!!


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You cannot wear armour.
You are incapable of wielding weapons or throwing items.
Your paws have sharp claws.*
You have razor-sharp teeth.*
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time.
You cover ground quickly.*
Your thick and shaggy fur keeps you warm (AC +3, rC+).*
You have a slow metabolism.
You can jump attack at a long distance.
You are partially covered in icy blue scales (AC +1).*
You are mostly covered in rugged brown scales (AC +2, +5% HP).*
You tend to lose your temper in combat.
You possess an exceptional clarity of mind.
You are clumsy. (Dex -2)
You are dopey. (Int -2)
Your magical capacity is low (-10% MP).
Your muscles are very strong. (Str +4)
You have acidic saliva.*
Your pliable body absorbs attacks (AC +1, EV +1).*
Armour fits poorly on your pseudopods.*
You evolve.
Thin tendrils of slime have grown from your body.*


Message History

ANTAEUS WRITHES IN AGONY AS HIS FLESH IS EATEN AWAY!
EVOKE WHICH ITEM? (* TO SHOW ALL) (? FOR MENU, ESC TO QUIT)
ZAPPING: D - A WAND OF HEAL WOUNDS (6) {!D}
YOU FEEL MUCH BETTER. THIS WAND HAS 5 CHARGES LEFT.
ANTAEUS THROWS LIGHTNING AT YOU.
THE BOLT OF LIGHTNING HITS THE HOBGOBLIN SKELETON.
THE HOBGOBLIN SKELETON IS DESTROYED!
THE BOLT OF LIGHTNING MISSES YOU. YOU DEFLECT THE BOLT OF LIGHTNING! THE BOLT OF LIGHTNING HITS ANTAEUS. ANTAEUS RESISTS.
JIYVA'S POWER TOUCHES ON YOUR ATTRIBUTES.
EVOKE WHICH ITEM? (* TO SHOW ALL) (? FOR MENU, ESC TO QUIT)
ZAPPING: D - A WAND OF HEAL WOUNDS (5) {!D}
YOU FEEL MUCH BETTER. THIS WAND HAS 4 CHARGES LEFT.
YOUR ACID BLOB SPITS ACID AT ANTAEUS.
THE SPLASH OF ACID HITS ANTAEUS. ANTAEUS APPEARS UNHARMED.
ANTAEUS THROWS ICE AT YOUR ACID BLOB.
THE FLASH FREEZE HITS YOUR ACID BLOB.
YOUR ACID BLOB IS FLASH-FROZEN.
EVOKE WHICH ITEM? (* TO SHOW ALL) (? FOR MENU, ESC TO QUIT)
ZAPPING: D - A WAND OF HEAL WOUNDS (4) {!D}
YOU FEEL MUCH BETTER. THIS WAND HAS 3 CHARGES LEFT. YOUR ACID BLOB HITS ANTAEUS! ANTAEUS IS SPLASHED WITH ACID.
ANTAEUS WRITHES IN AGONY AS HIS FLESH IS EATEN AWAY!
ANTAEUS HITS YOUR ACID BLOB. ANTAEUS FREEZES YOUR ACID BLOB! ANTAEUS IS BURNED BY ACID!
YOUR ACID BLOB DIES!
EVOKE WHICH ITEM? (* TO SHOW ALL) (? FOR MENU, ESC TO QUIT)
ZAPPING: D - A WAND OF HEAL WOUNDS (3) {!D}
YOU FEEL MUCH BETTER. THIS WAND HAS 2 CHARGES LEFT.
YOU ARE FEELING HUNGRY.
YOU EVISCERATE ANTAEUS!!!
YOU BLOW UP ANTAEUS!
A RUNE OF ZOT HAS APPEARED. THE EXIT HAS RE-OPENED... FOR NOW.
YOU HAVE WON A PRIZE FOR KILLING THE BOSS!
SCORE MULTIPLIER: 3X
YOU NOW HAVE 17509 ARENA POINTS (GAINED 1440).
YOUR SPELLCASTING SKILL INCREASES TO LEVEL 23!
YOUR EARTH MAGIC SKILL INCREASES TO LEVEL 18!
WELCOME BACK TO LEVEL 17!
YOU PICK UP THE ICY RUNE AND FEEL ITS POWER.
YOU NOW HAVE 6 RUNES.
PRESS } TO SEE ALL THE RUNES YOU HAVE COLLECTED.
YOU NOW HAVE 1250 GOLD PIECES (GAINED 900).
USE WHICH ABILITY? (? OR * TO LIST)
YOU REVERT TO YOUR NORMAL FLESHY FORM.
B - A SILVER RING; C - A POTION OF EXPERIENCE
YOU SEE HERE A LARGE ROCK.
THERE IS A STAIRCASE LEADING OUT OF THE DUNGEON HERE.
YOU SEE HERE THE ORB OF ZOT.
YOU PICK UP THE ORB OF ZOT! THE ORB LETS OUT A HIDEOUS SHRIEK!
THE LORDS OF PANDEMONIUM ARE NOT AMUSED. BEWARE!
NOW ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GET BACK OUT OF THE DUNGEON!
YOU HAVE ESCAPED!
Jiyva pacifies a lot of enemies on this map. OTOH, I didn't get much money to spend.

[vogonpoet]

Wow, very nice Dr Feelgood. I know people can win the sprint maps, I just don't really understand how. I think I got a rune once on the 10-rune challenge, with a SpEn.

Anyway, my current DsWz of Ash is doing pretty well (two Lair runes, Elf clear, Vaults 1-4 clear, Depths 1-5 clear), but I feel like I need some guidance - I haven't been this far since the depths were added, and haven't seen the new and improved Vaults 5 - they removed the corners so that the corridors are no longer as safe, right?

Maybe I should try Slime instead, but I am not sure if freezing cloud and lightning bolt really cut TRJ ice these days.

Come to think of it though, I should have stopped and asked for assistance on Depths 3 or so, so that I could direct some XP towards whatever shortcomings you guys think my character is currently suffering from.

Also, I don't know what to forget to make room for Controlled Blink... I suppose I could dump any of conjure flame, call imp and potentially, Blink.
Should I learn PhaseShift, and risk stair-dancing Vaults 5? That doesn't sound like a terrible plan, especially if I find room for CBlink as well.

Code: [Select]

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.1-3-gd16b60d (console) character file.

vogonpoet the Eclecticist (Demonspawn Wizard)     Turns: 113014, Time: 16:41:33

HP 196/197       AC 19     Str 13      XL: 24   Next: 35%
MP  39/51        EV 20     Int 33      God: Ashenzari [******]
Gold 2571        SH 17     Dex 11      Spells: 14 memorised,  6 levels left

rFire  + + .     SeeInvis +     q - +11,+2 flail "Rummage" {venom, rElec rC+ MR+}
rCold  + . .     Clarity  +     j - +3 leather armour {MR+} (curse)
rNeg   . . .     Conserve .     v - +2 buckler {rF+} (curse)
rPois  +         rCorr    .     C - +3 hat "Situt" {Str-2 Int+3 Acc+4}
rElec  +         rRot     .     Y - +2 cloak {MR+} (curse)
SustAb . .       Spirit   .     E - +2 pair of gloves of Skai {Str+1 Int+2}
rMut   +         Warding  .     (boots unavailable)
Saprov . . .     Stasis   .     G - cursed amulet of resist mutation
MR     ++++.                    J - cursed ring of magical power
                                V - ring of poison resistance

@: repel missiles, incredibly resistant to hostile enchantments, very stealthy
A: talons 3, large bone plates 3, conserve scrolls, fire resistance 1,
nightstalker 2, powered by pain 3, strong 1
a: Scrying, Transfer Knowledge, Renounce Religion
}: 2/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled


You are on level 5 of the Depths.
You worship Ashenzari.
Ashenzari is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 9 branches of the dungeon, and seen 50 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 1 time.
You have also visited: Ossuary, Bailey and Ice Cave.

You have collected 6372 gold pieces.
You have spent 3801 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 b - a +0,+3 broad axe of pain
 q - the cursed +11,+2 flail "Rummage" (weapon) {venom, rElec rC+ MR+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It poisons the flesh of those it strikes.
   
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 s - a +0 blowgun
 u - a +0,+0 anti-magic flail
 F - a +0,+2 cutlass of draining
 Q - a +1,+3 broad axe of pain
Missiles
 t - 4 javelins of returning (quivered)
 B - 5 curare-tipped needles
Armour
 j - a cursed +3 leather armour of magic resistance (worn)
 v - a cursed +2 buckler of fire resistance (worn)
 C - the cursed +3 hat "Situt" (worn) {Str-2 Int+3 Acc+4}
   (You found it on level 1 of the Vaults)   
   
   It affects your strength (-2).
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It affects your accuracy with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+4).
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 E - the cursed +2 pair of gloves of Skai (worn) {Str+1 Int+2}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   It affects your strength (+1).
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 Y - a cursed +2 cloak of magic resistance (worn)
Magical devices
 c - a wand of cold {zapped: 2}
 n - a wand of disintegration {zapped: 1}
 M - a wand of cold
 O - a wand of fire (7)
 P - a wand of digging
Comestibles
 f - 3 meat rations
 w - 7 chunks of yaktaur flesh
Scrolls
 i - 4 scrolls of remove curse
 k - 2 scrolls of fear
 r - 4 scrolls of identify
 x - 3 scrolls of blinking
 H - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 K - 2 scrolls of fog
 T - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
Jewellery
 m - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 y - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 D - an uncursed ring of positive energy
 G - a cursed amulet of resist mutation (around neck)
 I - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 J - a cursed ring of magical power (right hand)
 S - the ring "Astris" {Hunger- Str+2 Int+3}
   (You took it off a deep elf mage on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of sustenance]
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
 V - a ring of poison resistance (left hand)
 X - a +5 ring of protection
Potions
 a - 2 potions of heal wounds
 d - 5 potions of curing
 e - a potion of agility
 g - a potion of brilliance
 l - 2 potions of might
 p - a potion of resistance
 A - a potion of restore abilities
 L - a potion of magic
Books
 o - a book of the Warp   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Control Teleport                   Charms/Translocation         4
   Phase Shift                        Translocation                5
   Warp Weapon                        Charms/Translocation         5
   Summon Forest                      Summoning/Translocation      5
   Dispersal                          Translocation                6
   Controlled Blink                   Translocation                7
   Disjunction                        Translocation                8
Magical staves
 z - an uncursed staff of conjuration
Miscellaneous
 h - a crystal ball of energy


   Skills:
 - Level 18.0 Fighting
 - Level 1.7(4.8) Maces & Flails
 - Level 4.0 Armour
 - Level 15.0(19.0) Dodging
 - Level 3.4(7.4) Stealth
 - Level 2.0(4.2) Shields
 - Level 18.1 Spellcasting
 - Level 16.1(18.6) Conjurations
 - Level 9.4(12.3) Charms
 - Level 2.1(4.4) Summonings
 - Level 1.3(3.2) Necromancy
 + Level 7.6(10.7) Translocations
 - Level 1.1(2.9) Transmutations
 - Level 3.0(5.6) Fire Magic
 - Level 12.7(15.3) Ice Magic
 - Level 10.2(13.0) Air Magic
 - Level 2.0(4.3) Earth Magic
 - Level 3.0(5.6) Poison Magic
 - Level 16.8(19.2) Evocations


You have 6 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Apportation           Tloc           #######...   0%          1    None
b - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          1%          2    None
c - Call Imp              Summ           ######..     1%          2    None
d - Poisonous Cloud       Conj/Pois/Air  #######...   1%          6    None
e - Conjure Flame         Conj/Fire      #######.     1%          3    None
f - Force Lance           Conj           ########     0%          5    None
g - Freezing Cloud        Conj/Ice/Air   #######...   1%          6    None
h - Haste                 Chrm           #######.     1%          6    None
i - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      ######....   1%          3    None
j - Lightning Bolt        Conj/Air       #######...   1%          5    None
k - Bolt of Cold          Conj/Ice       #######...   1%          6    None
l - Flight                Chrm/Air       #######...   1%          3    None
p - Passwall              Trmt/Erth      ######....   1%          3    None
r - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ######       0%          2    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:4             Orc (4/4) D:11
    Elf (3/3) Orc:4          Lair (8/8) D:10         Shoals (5/5) Lair:5
  Snake (5/5) Lair:4        Slime (0/6) Lair:8       Vaults (4/5) D:13
  Blade (0/1) Vaults:3      Crypt (0/5) Vaults:2        Zot (0/5) Depths:5
 Depths (5/5) D:15       


--snip--

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Unarmed           |     8 |       |       |       |       |       |       |       ||     8
       Spear             |       |   132 |       |       |       |       |       |       ||   132
       Dire flail        |       |   104 |   250 |   673 |  1491 |    27 |       |       ||  2545
       Flail             |       |       |       |       |       |   638 |   960 |   429 ||  2027
 Fire: Sling             |    48 |     3 |       |       |       |       |       |       ||    51
Throw: Javelin           |       |       |       |       |       |     3 |     4 |       ||     7
 Cast: Magic Dart        |    67 |    31 |   215 |   330 |   281 |    71 |     8 |       ||  1003
       Call Imp          |     6 |    37 |    27 |    39 |    34 |    20 |     8 |     6 ||   177
       Mephitic Cloud    |       |     1 |    44 |   124 |   197 |    62 |    92 |    27 ||   547
       Conjure Flame     |       |     1 |     9 |    53 |    77 |    25 |    57 |    29 ||   251
       Blink             |       |       |    13 |     6 |    12 |     4 |     7 |    15 ||    57
       Repel Missiles    |       |       |     1 |     1 |     2 |    10 |     3 |     5 ||    22
       Force Lance       |       |       |       |    54 |   199 |   460 |   373 |   210 ||  1296
       Freezing Cloud    |       |       |       |       |    93 |   234 |   287 |   161 ||   775
       Regeneration      |       |       |       |       |    14 |    50 |    83 |    98 ||   245
       Haste             |       |       |       |       |       |     7 |     6 |    13 ||    26
       Lightning Bolt    |       |       |       |       |       |    32 |   141 |   171 ||   344
       Passwall          |       |       |       |       |       |     7 |    18 |    16 ||    41
       Flight            |       |       |       |       |       |    26 |    60 |     6 ||    92
       Apportation       |       |       |       |       |       |       |    30 |    11 ||    41
       Bolt of Cold      |       |       |       |       |       |       |    40 |   223 ||   263
       Poisonous Cloud   |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |    65 ||    65
Invok: Scrying           |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     3 |     3 |    24 |     3 |       |     2 ||    35
       Crystal ball of e |       |       |       |       |       |    62 |    45 |    81 ||   188
  Use: Scroll            |       |       |    24 |    13 |     8 |    16 |    12 |     3 ||    76
       Potion            |       |       |     1 |     1 |     2 |     2 |     1 |     2 ||     9
 Stab: Sleeping          |       |     4 |     3 |    13 |    22 |     9 |     6 |     2 ||    59
       Confused          |       |     1 |     5 |    46 |    82 |    31 |    32 |     1 ||   198
       Distracted        |       |       |     1 |     2 |     3 |       |     4 |     1 ||    11

I wouldn't normally get both Poisonous and Freezing Clouds, but Sojobo was generated wearing an rC armour of some kind, and was comfortably out-damaging me.
Other spells I have book access to include Orb of Destruction, Tornado and Glaciate, but the latter two won't be anywhere near castable.

Any advice folks?

[tompliss]

Your defences are low (well, I'm not used to casters) and stair-dancing in V:5 is very risky because of the stair-blockers.
Moreover, Ash's abilities won't help you there.

I don't know how casters are supposed to handle V:5's entrance, anyway ... :/

Abyssal rune ?

[Gamerlord]

So what's the deal with the two new gods in the trunk versions?

[vogonpoet]

Abyssal rune ?

No way. I am severely allergic to the 'new' Abyss. I really don't understand how to survive there, and tend to die very quickly... This character recently survived a trip to A1 already, but going there voluntarily, and then diving? No chance.

Plan For Vaults 5: If I learn CBlink and PhaseShift, then I can PS and Haste up, use crystal ball, go down the stairs, CBlink to a corridor, run like hell, make a quick lap of one quadrant, CBlinking past the open corner if necessary, and then head back up the stairs, hopefully having killed/lead some of the Vault guards away in the mean time, and enjoy my glow mutations.

Plan for Slime: Get horrendously corroded, get TRJ down to half health, get surrounded by jellies, CBlink, escape, rinse and repeat until out of consumables?

Maybe do some of Crypt, try to train up some more defenses? I really don't know.

[Dr Feelgood]

Wow, very nice Dr Feelgood. I know people can win the sprint maps, I just don't really understand how. I think I got a rune once on the 10-rune challenge, with a SpEn.

Anyway, my current DsWz of Ash is doing pretty well (two Lair runes, Elf clear, Vaults 1-4 clear, Depths 1-5 clear), but I feel like I need some guidance - I haven't been this far since the depths were added, and haven't seen the new and improved Vaults 5 - they removed the corners so that the corridors are no longer as safe, right?

Maybe I should try Slime instead, but I am not sure if freezing cloud and lightning bolt really cut TRJ ice these days.

Come to think of it though, I should have stopped and asked for assistance on Depths 3 or so, so that I could direct some XP towards whatever shortcomings you guys think my character is currently suffering from.

Also, I don't know what to forget to make room for Controlled Blink... I suppose I could dump any of conjure flame, call imp and potentially, Blink.
Should I learn PhaseShift, and risk stair-dancing Vaults 5? That doesn't sound like a terrible plan, especially if I find room for CBlink as well.

I wouldn't normally get both Poisonous and Freezing Clouds, but Sojobo was generated wearing an rC armour of some kind, and was comfortably out-damaging me.
Other spells I have book access to include Orb of Destruction, Tornado and Glaciate, but the latter two won't be anywhere near castable.

Any advice folks?

Recommended spells: Phase Shift, Control Teleport, Orb of Destruction, and Controlled Blink. You could live without Force Lance (especially if you have the fan of gales), Call Imp, Conjure Flame, and one of those cloud spells.

Edit: Yes, the corners of the vaults were removed. It doesn't change the difficulty much, since they removed the random groups of enemies in the corridors.

I don't know how casters are supposed to handle V:5's entrance, anyway ... :/

Nuke the guards with aoe spells, stair-dance while hasted, or teleport to a less crowded area on the level.

[tompliss]

Vogonpoet, don't forget clouds disapear really fast when out of your vision, now, casting clouds and running is not as greaat as before

[vogonpoet]

I have been loving force lance - bouncing monsters out of melee range, and back into my freezing and poisonous clouds has been awesome. I think I have two books of the clouds though, so I could certainly afford to get rid of one of them... I guess technically I should get rid of freezing cloud, and use bolt of cold more, for maximum resistance flexibility.

As for the Abyss, I don't know, I find the new monsters really hard work, and end up with no MP, surrounded, a lot more than I used to in the old one. Even with Ash, new Abyss scares the crap out of me. Lost a lot of dudes there.

[tompliss]

I think I have two books of the clouds though, so I could certainly afford to get rid of one of them... I guess technically I should get rid of freezing cloud, and use bolt of cold more, for maximum resistance flexibility.

Well, isn't freezing cloud your best spell against undeads and other Poison-resistant monsters ?
Because if you want to go in anything other than Vault/Abyss/Slime, you'll need it more than Poison cloud ...