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[Mr Space Cat]

One thing that I do to reduce the chances of mobs waking up early is to get as close as I can before getting in their line of sight. Skills like shadowstep or Control Tele+Blink would help when there weren't walls or obstacles I could abuse. Spot a sleeping enemy in the open, go back a space to leave their sight, then CTele+Blink in their general direction, then shadowstep to close the gap further if necessary and I really don't want it to wake up *cough*HYDRAS*cough*. Takes less time than walking up to it, which could be the difference between it waking up or not.

It's kinda hard for me to explain it further, since it depends on the situation. Generally, just keep the sleeping enemy out of your vision as long as possible while you sneak up on it. Packs of sleeping enemies have a higher chance of someone waking up because there's more in your sight, so you'd want to keep as few in your sight as possible and get as close as possible as quietly and quickly as possible.

Sometimes though, shit happens...like blinking into the middle of Roka's sleeping orc pack and stabbing one orc only for everyone to instantly wake up. Or shadowstepping next to a naga only to find way more nagas (and greater nagas, and sea serpents) than you thought, and having shadowstep somehow wake them all up. That's when you use a backup plan.

[Graven]

Ye, I've been doing exactly that and just... didn't really like the whole playstyle. Stealth by itself is a wonderful defensive stat, but a pure stealth char - not for me.

So I occassionally play Elementalists and train only the elemental skill and conjurations. The supposed purpose is to make me better by forcing me to play with worse defenses. In practice I just cackle as I Tornado Orc:4 and then die at D:15.

This time I got lucky, and this happened :


edit : and of course I use my newfound powers of defense to melee an elephant herd after cleaving through Lair completely unopposed. Why, Graven, why do you do these things.

[Grek]

I feel like Enchanters are strictly better than Assassins now that needles got nerfed.

[Mr Space Cat]

Except hexes can get really bad as enemies' magic resistance increases. Corona can help that in early game, but any early mobs with extreme magic resistance would laugh at your hexes. The only hex worth keeping in end game would be invisibility, and even that loses value against monsters w/ see invis.

[Grek]

Well, there's also Darkness and Tumika's Dance for the end game. Especially if you get good branded weapons.

[Mr Space Cat]

I've never gotten an enchanter to live long enough to find a book with darkness. Sounds like it would be great for stealth characters though.

I've never tried Tukima's Dance. It seems like it would be kinda expensive, you'd have to carry the weapons around with you, taking up space and weight in inventory, and to cast it you'd have to wield each weapon separately, then cast the spell, which would take time and mana for each weapon. It sounds really interesting though. Spectral weapon would probably be an easier and faster alternative, and would require only one weapon, but you'd only have one ally to help you then.

[tryrar]

Question: When should I drop my whip of electrocution? When I find a good flail?

Edit: Blargh, even with a ring of fire resist, sun demons are deadly. Goddamit

[Robsoie]

Too bad you lost your character.

My whip (it was a demon whip, so better than a simple whip) of electrocution served my gargoyle berserker very well for getting 2 runes from the Lair branches (swamp and snake pit) and even for getting the one in Vault, then as i just reached enough mace/flail/whip skill to hit the min delay for it, i switched to my more damaging antimagic eveningstar.

That put me to level roughly 22 , before i started clearing the Depths.

[freeformschooler]

Lesson of the day: Lugonu retribution is awful.

[tryrar]

banished to the abyss?

[tryrar]

Doublepost to ask a question: Is having all three elemental resists on a ring worth the cost of hunger?(keeping in mind I have slow metabolism due to being gargoyle)

[Dr Feelgood]

Doublepost to ask a question: Is having all three elemental resists on a ring worth the cost of hunger?(keeping in mind I have slow metabolism due to being gargoyle)

Yes.

[tryrar]

Best char yet, I just cleared Vaults for my third rune!

Char dump:

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Grak the Slayer (Gargoyle Fighter)                 Turns: 37886, Time: 02:54:10

HP 146/146       AC 58     Str 30      XL: 21   Next: 49%
MP  34/34        EV  7     Int 13      God: Okawaru [******]
Gold 2342        SH 32     Dex 10      Spells:  0 memorised, 20 levels left

Res.Fire  : + . .   See Invis. : +   D - +7 eveningstar (holy)
Res.Cold  : + + .   Warding    : .   t - +7 crystal plate armour of Thruan {Str-1 Int+3 SInv}
Life Prot.: + . .   Conserve   : +   c - +2 shield
Res.Poison: +       Res.Corr.  : .   n - +2 hat of the Alchemist {rElec rF+ rC+ MR+}
Res.Elec. : +       Clarity    : .   w - +1 cloak {MR+}
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   a - +2 pair of elf gauntlets {Str+3}
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   (no boots)
Res.Rott. : +       Flight     : .   v - amulet of conservation
Saprovore : . . .                    S - ring of Byciy {Regen rC+ MR++ Dam+5 SInv}
                                     C - +0,+7 ring of slaying

@: extraordinarily resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: large and strong wings, fangs 1, talons 2, life protection 1, electricity
resistance, slow metabolism 1, unbreathing, petrification resistance, AC +15
a: Fly, Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion
}: 3/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled, silver

I'm thinking of trying for more than a basic clear, though I'm waiting on some source of corrosion resist before clearing Slime. At what point should I switch from Oka to TSO, and go for things like crypts and the Abyss?

[Gamerlord]

Doublepost to ask a question: Is having all three elemental resists on a ring worth the cost of hunger?(keeping in mind I have slow metabolism due to being gargoyle)

Yes.

Oh fuck yes. I'd take teleportitis AND hunger for that.

[Seriyu]

First trip to shoals ended in disaster. I also found a unique no one knew anything about (on the wiki/bots). Hooray! Didn't evne have a tile.

On the bright side I'm now thoroughly convinced both Deep Dwarves and Elyvion are beasts. Admittedly Ely would likely fall off into late game with less natural creatures for easy piety, but still, you can switch into zin/TSO.