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[Rex_Nex]

Well, I started Dungeon Crawl back up after quite the hiatus, and gave a LOBe a try, since I havent tried any of the new races. Down to ~vaults right now, nothing unexpected for a be.

Lava orcs themselves... eh. I don't think I'd suggest it for a be over a plain old hill orc; the immolation is very helpful early game, but only when you get into situations that smart play makes fairly rare. It's still useful, of course. However, getting rc- and the inability to use scrolls when/after berserking is a big pain in the ass. Other than that, they play pretty much identically to an orc with some rf+.

edit: died on orb run, tele threw me into the one part of zot that I hadn't cleared.

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

   I too have begun playing after a long time away and I must say my last game was a guh. It seemed like every level had at least 1 unique. I probably could have managed to keep going but I probably wasn't very patient after the hour or so of running from uniques, that and low on escape options and such. Luckily I was recording so my second video I will be putting up will show my pain to the world (first video will be a mediocre HOBe with an axe).
   Oh and I think the axe ability to cleave will teach people bad habits. I started playing again as I tend to do with a melee fighter, in this case HOBe, and saw the cleave thing so I chose axe. The rage and the cleave basically had me running into heaps of enemies.
   Finally a question. Why did they nerf early game summoning so hard? Not only is the numbers limited, especially the mammal being limited to only summoning one at a time along with the cap, but they don't follow you. I love playing KoSu but I don't think it will be quite as viable as I would like.

[Leafsnail]

I think it's because everyone hates summoning too much to bother coming up with a genuine fix to infinite spam.

[Gamerlord]

But infinite spam is the POINT.

[Tegga21]

.13 tournament announced, sign me up for a team!

http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/

[Chattox]

Just getting back into this; does wearing armour affect your magic casting ability at all?

[Antioch]

Just getting back into this; does wearing armour affect your magic casting ability at all?

Quite severely, though I believe having lvl 27 in armour reduces the penalty to 1/3.

[Mr Space Cat]

Just getting back into this; does wearing armour affect your magic casting ability at all?

Yeah, heavier armour causes a penalty. In late game with lots of experience and preemptively pour stat points into Int you could overcome this, but in early game wearing armour beyond leather on a mage...doesn't work out.

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Speaking of mages, I keep getting splattered whenever I give a mage type a shot. The only mages I've played that have gotten past temple were a naga venomancer and a necro, but only the necro made it to Lair before being swarmed by blink frogs. I don't even reach DL:5 most of the time. At the moment I'm trying a gargoyle Earth Elem. since Earth sounds fun with petrify, LRD and shatter and I haven't played gargoyles 'til now. Only problem is getting strong enough to actually learn those spells. I keep dying to ogres or phantoms or even one really persistent orc who kept dodging my spells.

One thing that throws me off is skill training. With melee you just pour all points into weapon skills at the start and you're good. With a mage I find I have to juggle spellcasting and one or two spellschools if I want to learn all the spells in my book in a decent amount of time. Plus, Earth mages can miss with sandblast or stone arrow, which can completely screw me over, and their crowd control is lackluster.

How can I get an earth mage to Temple and beyond?

[Gamerlord]

Just getting back into this; does wearing armour affect your magic casting ability at all?

Yes. If you're going to go for an arnoured caster, take Che as your god.

[TripJack]

Oh and I think the axe ability to cleave will teach people bad habits. I started playing again as I tend to do with a melee fighter, in this case HOBe, and saw the cleave thing so I chose axe. The rage and the cleave basically had me running into heaps of enemies.

worst thing about axes is how inferior they make all the other weapon types look

[Leafsnail]

No, don't pick Chei.  Chei blocks the spell you really want and also cripples your character.  Usually wearing armour just means spending a bit more XP on spell schools, although it can lock you out of high level spells.

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

   Huh, tournament coming? I guess I picked the right time to start playing again. Is there going to be a thread for it and if so when someone makes it make sure to link it here.

[UristMcDwarf]

Best spellcaster is a conjurer.
That battlesphere will carry you quite a ways.

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

   For anyone that is interested below is a link to my video where I have way to many uniques along with the character in a spoiler. If you do watch the video and have any tips you can post them either here or in the comments and they would be much appreciated. Also a straight question as well. I was a orc and had a +2 +4 orcish trident with my skill so I had min delay but I also had a +0 halberd on me. Was it the right choice to stay with the trident and would it have been correct to switch to the halberd once I had the skill to have it at min delay or should I have stayed with the trident until I found a better weapon. I also had a couple scrolls of enchant weapon 1 which I did not use as I didn't know, would it have been better to just use them on the orc trident to make it +4 all around or would the +2 from it have been enough to make switching to the halberd a good idea.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.13-b1-41-gf166b9b (console) character file.

6097 Akhier the Impaler (level 10, 0/118 HPs)
             Began as a Hill Orc Fighter on Oct 8, 2013.
             Was a Priest of Okawaru.
             Succumbed to Sonja's curare-tipped needle
             ... on Level 11 of the Dungeon.
             The game lasted 00:59:42 (11181 turns).

Akhier the Impaler (Hill Orc Fighter)              Turns: 11181, Time: 00:59:42

HP   0/118       AC  9     Str 28      XL: 10   Next: 73%
MP   7/9         EV  9     Int  8      God: Okawaru [***...]
Gold 502         SH 13     Dex 10      Spells:  0 memorised,  9 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : .   k - +2,+4 orc trident
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : .   b - +0 orc scale mail
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .   v - +1 buckler
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : .   (no helmet)
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   r - +0 cloak
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   (no gloves)
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   (no boots)
Res.Rott. : .       Flight     : .   o - amulet of faith
Saprovore : + . .                    (no ring)
                                     (no ring)

@: short of breath, invisible, berserking, extremely poisoned, very slightly
contaminated, slowed, heroism, drained, somewhat resistant to hostile
enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: saprovore 1
a: Heroism, Renounce Religion


You were on level 11 of the Dungeon.
You worshipped Okawaru.
Okawaru was most pleased with you.
You were not hungry.

You visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and saw 12 of its levels.

You collected 482 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 k - a +2,+4 orcish trident (weapon)
 l - a +0,+0 halberd
Armour
 b - a +0 orcish scale mail (worn)
 r - a +0 cloak (worn)
 v - a +1 buckler (worn)
Magical devices
 a - a wand of fire (0)
 h - a wand of disintegration (12)
 p - a wand of frost (9)
 q - a wand of enslavement (6)
 t - a wand of disintegration (14)
Comestibles
 d - 4 meat rations
 g - 6 bread rations
Scrolls
 c - a scroll of teleportation
 f - 6 scrolls of remove curse
 i - 2 scrolls of fog
 j - 2 scrolls of enchant armour
 m - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon I
 x - a scroll of amnesia
 y - a scroll of blinking
Jewellery
 o - an amulet of faith (around neck)
Potions
 e - a potion of magic
 n - a potion of resistance {unknown}
 s - a potion of cure mutation
 w - a potion of invisibility
 C - a potion of restore abilities
 E - 3 potions of brilliance {unknown}
Books
 z - a book of Annihilations {highlevel}   
   This book is beyond your current level of understanding.
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Poison Arrow                       Conjuration/Poison           6
   Orb of Destruction                 Conjuration                  7
   Chain Lightning                    Conjuration/Air              8
   Lehudib's Crystal Spear            Conjuration/Earth            8
   Ice Storm                          Conjuration/Ice              9
   Fire Storm                         Conjuration/Fire             9


   Skills:
 - Level 3.6(7.9) Fighting
 + Level 15.7(19.7) Polearms
 - Level 3.2(7.5) Armour
 - Level 5.4(9.6) Shields


You had 9 spell levels left.
You didn't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (11/27)            Temple (1/1) D:7            Lair (0/8) D:10
   Orc: D:6-11     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Makhleb
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
the Shining One

Annotations:
D:10 Nergalle
D:11 Sonja


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You can tolerate rotten meat.


Message History

Sonja hits you but does no damage.
You are more poisoned.
Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
You fade into invisibility!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You feel extremely sick.
Sonja mumbles some strange words.
Sonja blinks!
Sonja unwields an uncursed dagger of venom.
It stops dripping with poison. Sonja wields an uncursed blowgun.
Sonja shoots a curare-tipped needle. The curare-tipped needle hits you!
You have difficulty breathing.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You feel as though you will be slow longer.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You are very lightly contaminated with residual magic.
Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
A red film seems to cover your vision as you go berserk!
You feel yourself moving faster! You feel mighty!
You die...

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     #.)(.....K# #.....#
     #..#####..# #...!.#
     #..#   #..# #<.##.#
...  #..#   #..# #..##.#
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  #.##..#   #..# #..##.#
  #.....#   #..# #..##.#
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You could see Sonja.

Vanquished Creatures
  Urug (D:10)
  The ghost of Akhier the Cleaver, an experienced HOBe of Trog (D:5)
  Psyche (D:9)
  Grinder (D:3)
  A troll (D:10)
  A wraith (D:10)
  A yak (D:11)
  A hungry ghost (D:10)
  Eustachio (D:5)
  A necrophage (D:7)
  Purgy (D:4)
  A sky beast (D:6)
  3 centaurs
  6 ogres
  An ice beast (D:4)
  A big kobold (D:9)
  Sigmund (D:6)
  Blork the orc (D:5)
  3 giant frogs
  A hippogriff zombie (D:6)
  3 killer bees (D:10)
  A spectral elf (D:
  A troll skeleton (D:7)
  A goliath beetle (D:10)
  A yak skeleton (D:11)
  3 crimson imps
  6 orc priests
  A quasit (D:7)
  A black bear zombie (D:5)
  A giant frog zombie (D:3)
  2 jellies
  2 scorpions
  6 hounds
  An iguana (D:7)
  5 orc wizards
  7 worker ants
  Jessica (D:3)
  A brain worm zombie (D:10)
  Terence (D:3)
  12 gnolls
  12 adders
  3 giant mites
  3 worms
  3 giant geckos
  3 oozes
  19 orcs
  15 bats
  9 goblins
  16 hobgoblins
  18 kobolds
  4 quokkas
  3 ball pythons
  2 giant cockroaches
  5 giant newts
  A goblin zombie (D:5)
  2 kobold skeletons
  11 rats
  2 ballistomycetes (D:9)
217 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  An orc wizard (D:9)
  An iguana (D:9)
  A giant spore (D:9)
3 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 220 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Akhier, the Hill Orc Fighter, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 0/0
    91 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 26/26 MP: 1/1
   328 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 29/33 MP: 2/2
   479 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Polearms
   947 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 39/39 MP: 3/3
  1203 | D:2      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  1333 | D:3      | Noticed Jessica
  1416 | D:2      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  1646 | D:3      | Noticed Terence
  1708 | D:4      | Noticed an ice beast
  1783 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Polearms
  1783 | D:4      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 16/46 MP: 4/4
  1793 | D:4      | Killed an ice beast
  2012 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  2012 | D:5      | Noticed Blork the orc
  2014 | D:5      | Noticed an ogre
  2071 | D:4      | Noticed Purgy
  2089 | D:4      | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns
  2112 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  2156 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
  2156 | D:5      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 37/52 MP: 5/5
  2195 | D:5      | Killed Blork the orc
  2201 | D:5      | Reached skill level 6 in Polearms
  2452 | D:5      | Killed an ogre
  2452 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 26/59 MP: 6/6
  2794 | D:5      | Reached skill level 7 in Polearms
  2916 | D:5      | Noticed a centaur
  2934 | D:5      | Killed a centaur
  3170 | D:5      | Noticed Eustachio
  3181 | D:5      | Killed Eustachio
  3181 | D:5      | Reached skill level 8 in Polearms
  3239 | D:5      | HP: 1/59 [orc priest/divine providence (9)]
  3265 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 5/66 MP: 7/7
  3531 | D:6      | Reached skill level 9 in Polearms
  3664 | D:7      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  3820 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  3854 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  3933 | Temple   | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru
  4110 | D:7      | Reached skill level 10 in Polearms
  4818 | D:6      | Reached skill level 11 in Polearms
  5459 | D:5      | Noticed Akhier's ghost (experienced HOBe)
  5491 | D:5      | Killed Akhier's ghost
  5491 | D:5      | Acquired Okawaru's first power
  5491 | D:5      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 64/72 MP: 8/8
  5828 | D:5      | Reached skill level 12 in Polearms
  6399 | D:4      | Killed Purgy
  6420 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  6461 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  6469 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  6760 | D:3      | Killed Jessica
  6890 | D:3      | Killed Terence
  7005 | D:3      | Noticed Grinder
  7009 | D:3      | Noticed Sigmund
  7037 | D:3      | Killed Grinder
  7037 | D:3      | Reached skill level 13 in Polearms
  7462 | D:3      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  8761 | D:6      | Killed Sigmund
  8845 | D:8      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  9001 | D:9      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  9017 | D:9      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 61/79 MP: 9/9
  9019 | D:9      | Noticed Psyche
  9031 | D:9      | Killed Psyche
  9031 | D:9      | Reached skill level 14 in Polearms
  9137 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  9375 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  9577 | D:10     | Noticed Urug
  9612 | D:10     | Killed Urug
  9612 | D:10     | Reached skill level 15 in Polearms
 10530 | D:10     | Noticed Nergalle
 10885 | D:10     | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 11168 | D:11     | Noticed Sonja
 11180 | D:11     | HP: 1/79 [asphyx]
 11181 | D:11     | Succumbed to Sonja's curare-tipped needle


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Trident           |    84 |   144 |   536 |   212 ||   976
       Unarmed           |       |       |     8 |       ||     8
Throw: Spear             |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
Invok: Heroism           |       |       |    10 |     8 ||    18
Evoke: Wand              |       |     6 |    15 |     4 ||    25
  Use: Scroll            |     9 |    10 |    11 |     7 ||    37
       Potion            |       |     5 |     1 |     4 ||    10

and the video is here

[Delta Foxtrot]

I keep dying to ogres

You shouldn't. Most races are at least as fast as an ogre so you should be able to keep your distance. Seriously, ogres can one-shot MiBes, not to mention a puny spellcaster. As an EE, just avoid all ogres until you have stone arrow castable. Or use some consumable that can nail that ogre for you. Killing an early ogre should rush your xp nicely if you can pull it off.

How can I get an earth mage to Temple and beyond?

When I was rolling KoEEs by the bucketload, I felt three things were important in getting to Lair:
1)Get stone arrow online ASAP, it's your bread & butter until you get a beefier conjuration
2)Do your best to avoid anything that can splat you before you get stone arrow
3)Get lucky with finding stones, they power your sandblast until you get stone arrow

Skillwise I would level up spellcasting, conjurations and earth magic. I stopped spellcasting when I had enough MP to cast 3 or 4-ish stone arrows. Keep training conjurations and earth magic until stone arrow is at an acceptable fail rate.
After that? Spellcasting is always useful, maybe earth, conjurations or transmut depending on which spells you plan to learn/cast next.

And yeah, lair-ish EEs are fun once you get petrify and LRD up.