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[Graven]

Aw man, sucks to hear that, hope things get better for you IRL 


After my last embarrassing death, I started a MiBe, because I'm not entitled to think of myself as a good player anymore. However, I'm afraid I might be legally retarded. I dumped all my stats into Int, hoping to cast Haste since it worked out well last time. However I am a Troglodite, which I apparently forgot, and now I have max Fighting, Axes, Dodging and Armour, 37 AC 20 EV in a randart +7 plate, and zero casting skills. I do have a pretty nice vampiric Exec axe, but if I ditch Trog for TSO I won't be able to use it, and if I wear a Dragon Armour I get to 26 AC 24 EV. I'm really doubtful of my chances of surviving Trog wrath, especially without any spells, since it'd take so long to get them castable.

God damn it.

edit : NGAAARGAHARHGAHRHAGHAGHRGHHGF CEREBOV

[vogonpoet]

Well, a busy RL weekend somewhat limited my crawl time, but I managed to bring my TeFE home, my first winner to ascend with more than the standard 2 x Lair + Vaults runes. Admittedly only one extra rune, but still.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.1-43-gbc5e171 (console) character file.

1947082 vogonpoet the Meteorologist (level 27, 189/189 HPs)
             Began as a Tengu Fire Elementalist on May 22, 2013.
             Was the Champion of Vehumet.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 4 runes on May 26, 2013!
             
             The game lasted 17:09:10 (118903 turns).

vogonpoet the Meteorologist (TeFE)                Turns: 118903, Time: 17:09:10

HP 189/189       AC 15     Str 16      XL: 27
MP  48/48        EV 33     Int 36      God: Vehumet [******]
Gold 2758        SH 12     Dex 21      Spells: 15 memorised,  1 level left

Res.Fire  : + + .   See Invis. : .   b - staff of fire
Res.Cold  : + . .   Warding    : .   N - +4 robe of Augmentation {Str+4 Dex+4 Int+4
Life Prot.: + . .   Conserve   : +   w - +0 elf buckler
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : +   M - +2 wizard hat
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   O - +2 cloak {rCorr, Cons}
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   I - +2 pair of gauntlets
Res.Mut.  : +       Stasis     : .   (boots unavailable)
Res.Rott. : .       Ctrl.Telep.: x   L - amulet of resist mutation
Saprovore : . . .   Flight     : +   D - ring of Music {+Inv rF+ rC+ rN+ MR Dam+3}
                                     A - ring of the Octopus King {Wiz AC+1 EV+1 St

@: flying, quick, extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: able to fly continuously, beak, talons 3, berserk 1, breathe flames 1,
deterioration 1, Str +2, Int +3, Dex +1
a: Stop Flying, Renounce Religion, Breathe Fire, Evoke Invisibility
}: 4/15 runes: barnacled, silver, icy, gossamer
I never found the Regen spell, which kinda made the hells a bit scary, and considering the time now, and my early morning start, I am quietly satisfied. Seriously awesome offense capabilities though - fire tornado storms are so pretty.

The log

Looks like our efforts *might* be enough to secure the Bay12 Procrastinators a top 20 spot - we are 19th right now, with 5 hours still to play.

[Anvilfolk]

Damn you people that repeatedly win games roguelikes. Never won one myself :\

[Eurynomos]

Woot, got one last win off with an ogre hunter.    That Zot 5 was really stupid. After I picked up the orb, so many nasty things spawned. Two orbs of fire, an ancient lich, a bunch of draconians, and a few hellhounds to keep me preoccupied. I got down to 20ish health just on that floor and had to quaff all my healing potions. Probably could've done more than 3 runes, but whatever. Cheers for the end of the tourney.

[Graven]

Aw man, am I the only one who messed up not once, but twice in the last two days? Good. Congratulations, everyone! I had never played in a tournament before,  this was surprisingly fun, even with the horrible latency I get on the webtiles servers. Feels fun knowing your win is contributing to a team Also made me try a lot of things I probably wouldn't, seeing what was most popular and what other people were playing.

When's the next tourney, anyway? I kind of want to do this again 

[Eurynomos]

Aw man, am I the only one who messed up not once, but twice in the last two days? Good. Congratulations, everyone! I had never played in a tournament before,  this was surprisingly fun, even with the horrible latency I get on the webtiles servers. Feels fun knowing your win is contributing to a team Also made me try a lot of things I probably wouldn't, seeing what was most popular and what other people were playing.

When's the next tourney, anyway? I kind of want to do this again 

I THINK it's some time next year. I can't do this again anytime soon, because the only game I played this month was dungeon crawl. Right now my sanity is about to plunge into a state long past repair. Not really. But seriously though, I need a break. I do look forward to next year though.

[G-Flex]

You'll probably prefer to fight in the open on a caster, since His Highness spawns stuff when it's hit but the firestorms will hit it all, and the vortexes might even baffle Him for a while.

Most casters don't know Firestorm.

Abyss is boring and horrible, Pan is generally easier than the Hells, and is very slightly less boring and horrible than the Abyss, Tomb can go fuck itself.

The Abyss is a little better now that you can control the relative risk and reward by diving deeper (or not), although the new monsters are horrifying for characters who aren't prepared for them.

Tomb is a pain in the ass, but pretty damn easy if you worship Kiku or have Necromutation, since the mummy death curses won't do squat to you. Statue Form helps a lot otherwise, since it gives you rN+, halves torment damage, and prevents rotting.

[Robsoie]

Question about scroll of acquirement : do the item spawned "goodness" scale with your level, or can you obtain by example an "axe of awesome +50,+50" if you use the scroll while being level 1 or being level 20 with the same kind of chances ?

[Cthulhu]

I don't think it scales with your level.  It is usually something you can use (you might get a sword as an axe-user, but usually not) and you can get super awesome stuff at low levels.

[lemon10]

They do not scale with your level.

However, the chance to get any item *does* scale with what you have seen so far. If you wish for jewellery for example, you are pretty much guaranteed to get a piece of jewellery you haven't seen before.
The probability to get something also scales with your skills. You are more likely to get a sword if you have high sword skill, or a earth staff if earth magic is your highest magic skill (and you haven't already found one).

This means that if you wait longer, you will probably end up getting something more useful (since the probability for a rarer item will increase as you get the more common ones), but I think its usually better to use them immediately.

[Robsoie]

Thanks, good to know.

[Man of Paper]

It's nowhere near a win, but it's five times better than what I've done before. Probably because I opted to bypass the Orc Mines.

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25912 Thronah the Impaler (level 12, -13/106 HPs)
             Began as a Minotaur Fighter on May 27, 2013.
             Was the Champion of Okawaru.
             Killed by a scroll of immolation (21 damage)
             ... on Level 1 of the Snake Pit.
             The game lasted 00:43:31 (13424 turns).

Thronah the Impaler (Minotaur Fighter)             Turns: 13424, Time: 00:43:32

HP -13/106       AC 22     Str 26      XL: 12   Next: 73%
MP   0/4         EV  4     Int  5      God: Okawaru [******]
Gold 773         SH 39     Dex 10      Spells:  0 memorised, 11 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : +   m - +4,+6 orc spear (pierce)
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : .   x - +0 orc plate armour
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .   A - +0 large shield
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : .   e - +2 cap
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   c - +0 cloak
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : +   D - +0 pair of gauntlets
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   l - +0 pair of boots
Res.Rott. : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   u - amulet of guardian spirit
Saprovore : . . .   Flight     : .   r - +0,+6 ring of slaying
                                     f - ring of see invisible

@: extremely poisoned, somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely
unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2
a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion


You were on level 1 of the Snake Pit.
You worshipped Okawaru.
Okawaru was exalted by your worship.
You were full.

You visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and saw 18 of its levels.

You collected 753 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 m - a +4,+6 orcish spear of piercing (weapon)
Armour
 c - a +0 cloak (worn)
 e - a +2 cap (worn)
 l - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
 x - a +0 orcish plate armour (worn)
 A - a +0 large shield (worn)
 D - a +0 pair of gauntlets (worn)
Magical devices
 g - a wand of lightning (9) {unknown}
 n - a wand of lightning (10) {unknown}
 p - a wand of paralysis (3) {unknown}
 t - a wand of teleportation (1) {unknown}
 w - a wand of draining (6)
 C - a wand of slowing (5) {unknown}
Comestibles
 d - 3 bread rations
 h - an apple
Scrolls
 a - 9 scrolls of remove curse
 b - a scroll of identify
 i - 2 scrolls of amnesia {unknown}
 o - 4 scrolls of teleportation
 v - a scroll of immolation
 J - a scroll of fog
 L - a scroll of magic mapping
 O - 3 scrolls of fear
Jewellery
 f - a ring of see invisible (left hand)
 r - a +0,+6 ring of slaying (right hand)
 u - an amulet of guardian spirit (around neck)
Potions
 j - 2 potions of curing
 k - 2 potions of invisibility
 q - a potion of agility
 z - a potion of speed
 E - a potion of flight
 F - a potion of heal wounds
 M - a potion of might


   Skills:
 + Level 12.4 Fighting
 * Level 16.5 Polearms
 + Level 12.7 Armour
 - Level 0.2 Dodging
 + Level 12.6 Shields


You had 11 spell levels left.
You didn't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (12/27)            Temple (0/1) D:7             Orc (0/4) D:8
   Lair (5/8) D:12          Snake (1/5) Lair:5     
 Swamp: Lair:3-6    Shoals: Lair:3-6    Spider: Lair:3-6   

Altars:
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Okawaru
Trog
Vehumet


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of horns on your head.


Message History

The naga warrior is almost dead.
You feel extremely sick.
The naga releases its grip on you. The naga barely misses you. You block the naga's attack.
You closely miss the naga warrior. Your headbutt misses the naga warrior.
The naga warrior is almost dead.
You feel sick. You block the naga warrior's attack. The naga warrior grabs you.
The naga warrior constricts you. You block the naga's attack.
You escape the naga warrior's grasp.
You feel very sick.
The naga hits you with a long sword!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The naga grabs you. The naga constricts you.
The naga hits you from afar with a glaive!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You escape the naga's grasp.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You feel extremely sick.
You feel a little better.
The scroll explodes in your hands! The fiery explosion engulfs you!
You die...

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  #.....#...@NNN'N....#
  #.....#......N#.....#
  #.....#.......#.....#
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  ......######### ...N.
   ......          ...
    ...$.          .
       .


You could see a naga warrior and 6 nagas.

Vanquished Creatures
  Maud (Lair:4)
  A hydra (Lair:5)
  Harold (Snake:1)
  Nessos (Snake:1)
  Nergalle (Snake:1)
  2 hill giants (D:11)
  An orc knight (D:11)
  A griffon zombie (D:12)
  An elephant slug (Lair:5)
  6 black mambas
  6 elephants (Lair:2)
  2 spiny frogs
  Grinder (D:6)
  2 komodo dragons (Lair:4)
  10 blink frogs
  A two-headed ogre (D:9)
  A basilisk (Lair:1)
  A wraith (D:10)
  A manticore (D:11)
  2 hippogriffs
  9 war dogs
  21 yaks
  A necrophage (D:9)
  A black bear (D:6)
  4 ogres
  9 orc warriors
  An ice beast (D:9)
  6 crocodiles
  3 centaurs
  A sky beast (D:10)
  A phantom (D:9)
  A yak skeleton (D:5)
  A hippogriff skeleton (D:11)
  A troll skeleton (D:
  4 water moccasins
  A yellow wasp zombie (D:11)
  3 agate snails
  A gnoll sergeant (D:
  Blork the orc (D:4)
  7 giant frogs
  3 killer bees (D:11)
  An electric eel (Lair:3)
  5 jellyfish (Lair:3)
  An ogre zombie (D:5)
  5 wights (D:9)
  A crimson imp (D:5)
  4 hounds
  2 goliath beetles
  Crazy Yiuf (D:5)
  8 orc priests
  14 orc wizards
  A big fish (Lair:3)
  A hound skeleton (D:7)
  5 scorpions
  6 iguanas
  6 worker ants
  2 porcupines (Lair:4)
  A jelly (D:
  A goliath beetle zombie (D:
  6 gnolls
  30 green rats
  5 giant centipedes
  An iguana zombie (D:5)
  16 adders
  2 giant mites
  2 worms
  A bat skeleton (D:6)
  6 giant eyeballs
  6 giant geckos
  An ooze (D:3)
  63 orcs
  15 bats
  2 giant cockroaches
  11 hobgoblins
  12 jackals
  11 quokkas
  6 giant newts
  14 goblins
  11 kobolds
  An orc skeleton (D:9)
  21 rats
  2 spectral orcs (Snake:1)
  6 fungi
  9 plants
448 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  An orc (D:11)
  A kobold (D:9)
  A giant spore (D:7)
  2 rats
  3 fungi
8 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 456 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Thronah, the Minotaur Fighter, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 0/0
    86 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 23/26 MP: 0/0
   378 | D:1      | Reached skill level 4 in Armour
   805 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 33/33 MP: 1/1
  1547 | D:3      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 40/40 MP: 1/1
  1871 | D:3      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  1882 | D:3      | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru
  2197 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  2208 | D:4      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 46/46 MP: 1/1
  2221 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  2445 | D:4      | Noticed Blork the orc
  2455 | D:4      | Killed Blork the orc
  2455 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  2455 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Polearms
  2455 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 39/53 MP: 2/2
  2462 | D:4      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  2575 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  2575 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
  2586 | D:4      | Acquired Okawaru's first power
  2833 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3251 | D:5      | Reached skill level 6 in Polearms
  3251 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 58/60 MP: 2/2
  3386 | D:5      | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
  3397 | D:5      | Killed Crazy Yiuf
  3971 | D:6      | Noticed Grinder
  3973 | D:6      | Paralysed by Grinder for 4 turns
  3986 | D:6      | Killed Grinder
  3986 | D:6      | Reached skill level 7 in Polearms
  3986 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 58/69 MP: 2/2
  4533 | D:7      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  4575 | D:7      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  4592 | D:7      | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns
  5296 | D:8      | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns
  5303 | D:8      | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns
  5323 | D:8      | Reached skill level 8 in Polearms
  5415 | D:8      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  5533 | D:8      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 42/75 MP: 3/3
  5607 | D:8      | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns
  5735 | D:8      | Reached skill level 9 in Polearms
  6338 | D:9      | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns
  6461 | D:9      | Reached skill level 10 in Polearms
  6803 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  6869 | D:10     | Acquired Okawaru's second power
  6945 | D:10     | Got a faintly humming ring mail
  6992 | D:10     | Identified the cursed +3 ring mail of Light {rElec} (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)
  7035 | D:10     | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  7156 | D:10     | Reached XP level 10. HP: 83/85 MP: 3/3
  7313 | D:11     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns
  7320 | D:11     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns
  7332 | D:11     | Reached skill level 11 in Polearms
  7411 | D:11     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns
  7419 | D:11     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns
  7438 | D:11     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns
  7753 | D:11     | Received a gift from Okawaru
  7881 | D:11     | Noticed a hill giant
  7881 | D:11     | Noticed an orc knight
  7881 | D:11     | Noticed a hill giant
  7896 | D:11     | Killed an orc knight
  7905 | D:11     | Killed a hill giant
  7905 | D:11     | Reached skill level 12 in Polearms
  7912 | D:11     | Killed a hill giant
  8301 | D:12     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  8443 | D:12     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 88/94 MP: 3/3
  8476 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
  8653 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 13 in Polearms
  8657 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
  8667 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 10 in Shields
  8674 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
  8680 | Lair:1   | Received a gift from Okawaru
  8797 | Lair:1   | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  9745 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 14 in Polearms
  9764 | Lair:2   | Received a gift from Okawaru
  9765 | Lair:2   | Got an ichor-stained splint mail {god gift}
  9786 | Lair:2   | Identified the +0 splint mail "Baysy" {+Rage rPois Dam-4 Curse} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)
 10602 | Lair:3   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 79/104 MP: 1/4
 10902 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 15 in Polearms
 11627 | Lair:4   | Noticed Maud
 11653 | Lair:4   | Killed Maud
 11653 | Lair:4   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 12338 | Lair:5   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 12346 | Lair:5   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 12528 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 12579 | Lair:5   | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 12604 | Snake:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit
 12635 | Snake:1  | Noticed Nessos
 12656 | Snake:1  | Killed Nessos
 12656 | Snake:1  | Reached skill level 16 in Polearms
 12857 | Snake:1  | Noticed Harold
 12858 | Snake:1  | Noticed Nergalle
 12888 | Snake:1  | Killed Harold
 12904 | Snake:1  | Killed Nergalle
 13424 | Snake:1  | Killed by a scroll of immolation


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Trident           |    36 |       |       |       ||    36
       Spear             |    54 |   138 |   368 |   954 ||  1514
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
       Miscellaneous     |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
  Use: Scroll            |    14 |    10 |    15 |    17 ||    56
       Potion            |       |     3 |     5 |     7 ||    15

I became attached to that orcish spear. Found it when it was around +0/+2 and couldn't find a more useful polearm. I especially liked finding my first ever scroll of vorpalise weapon. This run was also my best strategy-wise. I actually remembered that spears can attack another square out! This was really the run I needed to boost confidence, since I got my best score with by far the weakest overall equipment I've had when I reach Dungeon:10. First time in Lair and Snake Pit too, so I expected to die there. Which is why I kept that scroll, for going out with a bang.

[Graven]

Congratulations on your progress!

A few pointers, since your run didn't actually have to end there Most importantly - read about everything here : http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/bots

- Your shield skill is way too low for a Large Shield. A large shield requires 25 skill to negate the melee penalties. You had a lot of blocking, but it decreased your melee speed, which is kind of bad for people who hit things. For a normal sized race Buckler/Shield/Large shield requires 5/15/25 skill to remove all evasion, melee speed and casting penalties.

- You have a lot of unidentified  wands. Don't. Zap wands, that's what they're there for.

- You had scrolls of teleportation and potions of speed, so you could've gone out of the whole predicament a lot earlier. Try to learn when it's time to disengage - Crawl is mostly about running away.

- Don't be afraid to spam god abilities if you're in dangerous situations. There will always be -1 animal skins for Oka to throw at you, if only you survive the current encounter.

- Don't skip Orc. The main threats there [Orc Sorcerers and High Priests, Warlords] can be avoided, so go get some free piety, especially with gifting gods like Okawaru and Trog.

-Your branch order should roughly always be : Dungeon till Lair -> Lair till [Death Yaks, Lindwyrms, Catoblepas, any other great threat] -> Orc till great threat -> Lair Branches till great threat/last level OR dungeon till about D:20 or great threat -> the other option -> Vaults till V:4 -> Lair Branch ends/rest of Dungeon -> V:5. Elf is kind of odd, you'll have to learn when your current character can handle it. It has summon spam, crystal spears, banishing and other nasty stuff.

This order varies depending on character - for example on almost all my HEIEs I go Lair-> Orc -> Both branches -> Elf -> dungeon. If you have a good kit for a particular branch end, go for it as soon as you feel comfortable.

Basically the principle is poke your head in places until you start having difficult encounters, then leave and go poke your head in other places. This gives a fluid progression that optimises the experience and items you can get before tackling major threats.

Orc would probably also give you a branded trident, which is a lot better than a spear of piercing.

Other than that, I wish you even better luck with future runs

[Man of Paper]

Yeah, my biggest problem is getting caught up in the moment and forgetting about abilities and items. Except if I want to go out with a bang, apparently. :p
And thanks very much for the advice! Definitely better than me beating my head against the walls of the dungeon trying to figure out what's going on.

[vogonpoet]

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Melee: Trident           |    36 |       |       |       ||    36
       Spear             |    54 |   138 |   368 |   954 ||  1514

What was wrong with that trident? Are you aware of the difference between base damage and weapon enchantment? A trident has 3 more base damage, and is therefore a lot better than the spear. A +0 trident is in fact generally a fair bit better than a +3 spear, due to the way weapon damage is calculated - base damage gets multiplied by your weapon skill, enchantment just gets added at the end. Damage is complicated, and you mustn't forget weapon speed considerations, but basically you want the highest base damage weapon you can wield at a decent speed.