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[Strange guy]

It's a real shame Makhleb was removed from the starting god options, I think he offers an interesting enough gameplay style unlike say The Shining One which isn't much different and isn't much use in the early game. I'd say Makhleb is a better starting god than Zin, so I'm unhappy the way they did that.

[tomas1297]

 DAMN IT, CRAWL! I lost my best character yet!

Spoiler: Char. Boring parts cut out. (click to show/hide)

7887 tomas1297 the Cleaver (level 10, -2/123 HPs)
             Began as a Grey Draconian Berserker on Apr 28, 2011.
             Was a High Priest of Trog.
             Slain by an orc warrior
             ... wielding a +0,+1 orcish short sword
             ... led by an orc knight
              (21 damage)
             ... on Level 3 of the Orcish Mines.
             The game lasted 00:45:04 (14850 turns).

tomas1297 the Cleaver (Grey Draconian Berserker)                                                                   Turns: 14850, Time: 00:45:04

HP  -2/123       AC 10     Str 28      Exp: 10/10177 (915), need: 686
MP   0/9         EV 22     Int  9      God: Trog [*****.]
Gold 764         SH  0     Dex 14      Spells:  0 memorised,  9 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : .    n - +2,+5 hand axe of Wienluem {god gift, veno
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : . .  b - +2 animal skin
Life Prot.: + . .   Conserve   : .    (shield restricted)
Res.Acid. : . . .   Res.Corr.  : .    (helmet restricted)
Res.Poison: .       Clarity    : .    (no cloak)
Res.Elec. : .       Spirit.Shd : +    (gloves unavailable)
Sust.Abil.: . .     Stasis     : .    (boots unavailable)
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .    e - amulet of guardian spirit
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .    i - ring of sustenance
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: +    f - ring of life protection

@: agile, berserking (expires), very quick, somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: walk through water, unfitting armour, unbreathing, Str +1
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility


You were on level 3 of the Orcish Mines.
You worshipped Trog.
Trog was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and saw 12 of its levels.

You collected 892 gold pieces.
You spent 148 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 l - a +0 blowgun
 n - the +2,+5 hand axe of Wienluem (weapon) {god gift, venom, +Inv Int+1}
   (Trog gifted it to you on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It poisons the flesh of those it strikes.
   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+1).
   It lets you turn invisible.
 o - the +4,+14 bow "Cafonav" {god gift, flame, Stlth++}
   (Trog gifted it to you on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It turns projectiles fired from it into bolts of flame.
   
   
   It makes you much more stealthy.
Missiles
 g - 13 poisoned +0 needles
 j - 3 +4 darts (quivered)
 q - 41 +0 stones
Armour
 b - a +2 animal skin (worn)
Magical devices
 c - a wand of enslavement (10)
 k - a wand of digging (0)
Comestibles
 a - 4 chunks of orc flesh
Scrolls
 m - 3 scrolls of remove curse
Jewellery
 e - an amulet of guardian spirit (around neck)
 f - a ring of life protection (left hand)
 h - an uncursed ring of ice
 i - a ring of sustenance (right hand)
Potions
 d - a potion of agility


 You had 915 experience left.

   Skills:
 + Level 7 Fighting
 + Level 11 Axes
 + Level 5 Throwing
 + Level 9 Dodging
 - Level 3 Stealth
 - Level 1 Stabbing
 - Level 2 Unarmed Combat


You had 9 spell levels left.
You didn't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (7/27)             Temple (1/1) D:4             Orc (4/4) D:7
    Elf (0/5) Orc:4   
   
                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You can walk through water.
Your dull grey scales are hard (AC +6).
Your body does not fit into most forms of armour.
You do not need to breathe.
Your muscles are strong (Str +1).


Message History

The orc warrior completely misses you. The orc wizard barely misses you. The orc warrior barely misses you.
You slash the orange demon! The orange demon looks even sicker.
The orange demon is moderately wounded.
You slash the orange demon! The orange demon looks even sicker.
The orange demon is severely wounded.
The orc warrior hits you with an orcish short sword!
You die...

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You could see 2 orange demons, a tormentor, a ynoxinul, 4 orc warriors, 2 orc wizards and 8 orcs.

Vanquished Creatures
  An orc knight (Orc:3)
  An orc sorcerer (Orc:3)
  Maurice (Orc:2)
  A troll (Orc:2)
  Grinder (D:5)
  The ghost of tomas1297 the Chopper, an average HuDK of Yredelemnul (D:4)
  A sky beast (D:5)
  4 orc warriors
  A phantom (D:7)
  10 ice beasts
  8 ogres
  Menkaure (D:7)
  Sigmund (D:6)
  27 big kobolds (D:6)
  A giant frog (D:7)
  A warg (Orc:4)
  4 wights (D:7)
  5 imps
  2 scorpions (D:6)
  4 hounds
  10 orc priests
  3 worker ants
  13 orc wizards
  Ijyb (D:5)
  Jessica (D:2)
  9 snakes
  A giant mite (D:3)
  A snake skeleton (D:4)
  5 worms
  A giant eyeball (D:5)
  6 giant geckos
  72 orcs
  6 giant cockroaches
  17 goblins
  12 hobgoblins
  4 jackals (D:5)
  9 megabats
  3 quokkas
  2 small snakes
  7 giant newts
  42 kobolds
  A kobold skeleton (D:5)
  An orc skeleton (D:4)
  17 rats
  2 toadstools (Orc:2)
322 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A goblin (Orc:2)
  A hobgoblin (Orc:2)
  4 kobolds (D:6)
  7 toadstools
13 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 335 creatures vanquished

 Damn it. Saw a small group of elite orc warriors, decided to take the stairs up. Was SURROUNDED by monsters. Saw an escape up in the south. Decided to go berserk and run for it. Should of fought the elite orcs instead. And this was my first char to beat a level of orcish mines. 

Edit: Also my best randart.

Edit: Also, questions. Would that char be strong enough to go to the elven level? He killed a frost beast really early, instantly getting 2 levels and outclassing most enemies due to a lucky ring of ice. If I would survive, should I have bothered with the bow, even though I have a negative aptitude? It looks really good (the +4,+14 bow "Cafonav" {god gift, flame, Stlth++}).

[Strange guy]

If you can't clear out the orcish mines chances are you won't last long in the elven halls. Demon summoners and ranged attacks are a lot more common. The regular elf is approximately equal to an orc wizard, and they get much nastier than that. Clearing out the lair first (if not before the mines) would probably be a good idea, in fact it might be worth going further than that.

[Leafsnail]

The Lair should probably be the first branch you clear in any case (although I guess there's no harm in doing Hive first if you happen to get it before Lair, since it's generally really easy with rPois).

[jaxy15]

So, when I was walkin' around with a new summoner, a sky beast appeared and ripped me into thousands of pieces.
Can anyone provide information on this weird creature?

[Robsoie]

http://crawl.develz.org/info/index.php?q=sky+beast

When met early, it's really nasty (same indeed as an Ice Beast)

[Soadreqm]

The orcish mines can be doable early, (especially if you have mephitic cloud or something), but I'd really recommend doing Lair first. The Elven Halls are pretty difficult, don't go there.

About Hive: If you have rPois and reasonably good AC and EV, the killer bees are annoying but virtually harmless. If you have only one of the two, they're reasonably easy, as long as you're careful. If you have neither, they're death on wings.

Also, I'm not sure if you know this already, but the bottom level of each branch is usually considerably more difficult than the rest of it. There is no shame in only exploring the first seven levels of the Lair of Beasts before turning back to return later.

[monkeydancer]

Pretty new to Crawl, here's my best character so far. Died because I didn't notice I was overloaded and wasted a couple of valuable turns trying to climb up stairs to escape from the elf swarm <facepalm>. Pretty disappointed about losing, because it's better than any of my previous games by such an insane margin, but I guess I learned a lot and it's time to play 0.8....

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.7.2 character file.

25795 bargle the Nimble (level 12, 0/59 HPs)
             Began as a Spriggan Stalker on Apr 28, 2011.
             Was the Champion of Fedhas.
             Slain by a deep elf knight
             ... wielding a +2,+0 elven short sword
              (2 damage)
             ... on Level 2 of the Elven Halls.
             The game lasted 03:08:41 (28882 turns).

bargle the Nimble (Spriggan Stalker)                                                   Turns: 28882, Time: 03:08:41

HP   0/59        AC  6     Str  7      Exp: 12/35000 (2), need: 2699
MP  33/33        EV 35     Int 20      God: Fedhas [******]
Gold 1295        SH  0     Dex 20      Spells: 10 memorised,  6 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : +   f - +4,+3 dagger (drain)
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : .   w - +2 robe {rN+}
Life Prot.: + . .   Conserve   : .   (shield restricted)
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : .   (helmet restricted)
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   c - +1 cloak
Spirit.Shd: .       Stasis     : .   (gloves unavailable)
Sust.Abil.: . .     Rnd.Telep. : .   (boots unavailable)
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   (no amulet)
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .   L - +5 ring of intelligence
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: .   x - +4 ring of evasion

@: burdened, very quick, quite resistant to hostile enchantments, quite stealthy
A: unfitting armour, see invisible, herbivore 3, speed 3, slow metabolism 3
a: Decomposition, Evolution, Sunlight, Growth, Reproduction, Rain, Renounce Religion


You were on level 2 of the Elven Halls.
You worshipped Fedhas.
Fedhas was exalted by your worship.
You were encumbered.
You were not hungry.

You visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and saw 24 of its levels.
You visited 1 bazaar.

You collected 1851 gold pieces.
You spent 576 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 f - a +4,+3 dagger of draining (weapon)
 C - a +2,+1 orcish dagger of venom (quivered)
Missiles
 B - 10 curare-tipped +0 needles
Armour
 c - a +1 cloak (worn)
 w - a +2 robe of positive energy (worn)
 J - the +0 robe "Riefotz" {unknown}
   (You bought it in a shop in a bazaar)   
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It makes you much more stealthy.
Magical devices
 b - a wand of teleportation (13) {unknown}
 p - a wand of draining (0)
 r - a wand of fire ( {unknown}
 D - a wand of digging (2)
Scrolls
 g - 5 scrolls of teleportation
 j - 5 scrolls of remove curse
 k - 2 scrolls of fear {unknown}
 l - 3 scrolls of blinking
 m - 7 scrolls of detect curse
 A - a scroll of summoning {unknown}
 G - a scroll of recharging {unknown}
Jewellery
 h - an uncursed amulet of resist mutation {unknown}
 u - an uncursed ring of magical power
 x - a +4 ring of evasion (left hand)
 y - a +4 ring of strength
 L - a +5 ring of intelligence (right hand)
Potions
 d - a potion of invisibility {unknown}
 e - 2 potions of porridge
 i - 3 potions of brilliance {unknown}
 n - 4 potions of restore abilities
 o - a potion of slowing {unknown}
 q - 2 potions of agility {unknown}
 s - 5 potions of healing
 t - 3 potions of speed
 v - a potion of berserk rage {unknown}
 z - a potion of might {unknown}
 F - 2 potions of magic {unknown}
 I - 3 potions of heal wounds
 N - a potion of mutation {unknown}


 You had 2 experience left.

   Skills:
 - Level 3 Fighting
 + Level 8 Short Blades
 + Level 14 Dodging
 + Level 10 Stealth
 + Level 11 Stabbing
 - Level 1 Traps & Doors
 + Level 12 Spellcasting
 - Level 5 Conjurations
 - Level 7 Enchantments
 - Level 1 Air Magic
 - Level 8 Poison Magic


You had 6 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power          Success   Level
a - Sting                 Pois/Conj      #####          Excellent   1
b - Mephitic Cloud        Pois/Air/Conj  #####.....     Excellent   3
c - Poison Weapon         Pois/Ench      N/A            Excellent   3
d - Stone Arrow           Erth/Conj      ####...        Great       3
e - Sure Blade            Ench           ######....     Excellent   2
f - Slow                  Ench           ######...      Excellent   3
g - Confuse               Ench           ######...      Excellent   3
h - Selective Amnesia     Ench           N/A            Excellent   4
i - Venom Bolt            Pois/Conj      ######....     Very Good   5
j - Cure Poison           Pois           ######....     Excellent   2


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (17/27)            Temple (1/1) D:6             Orc (4/4) D:10
    Elf (2/7) Orc:4          Lair (0/8) D:13           Hive (0/2) D:11
 Vault: D:14-19     

Altars:
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
The Shining One
Trog
Xom

Shops:
D:4: ?  D:5: +  D:7: [  D:11: *  D:13: /  Orc:1: (  Orc:2: +  Orc:3: (  Orc:4: [

Annotations
D:6 exclusion: 47 steam clouds
D:16 exclusion: Roxanne


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are tiny and cannot use many weapons and most armour.
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
You are a herbivore.
You cover ground extremely quickly.
You need consume almost no food.


Message History

You feel troubled. The deep elf soldier misses you.
The deep elf knight mumbles some strange words.
The deep elf knight blinks!
Helpless, you fail to dodge the deep elf knight's attack.
The deep elf knight hits you with a runed elven short sword.
You die...
Fedhas appreciates your contribution to the ecosystem.

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I really like spriggans and stealth, but I'm tempted to try a more durable race next time.

[breadbocks]

MnBe is one of the most forgiving setups.

[Soadreqm]

Spriggans are pretty excellent, except for the hit points. But yeah, don't get overloaded. Being overloaded is bad. Also, you had a whole bunch of unidentified potions, scrolls and wands. You should really try to keep track of what you have in your inventory.

[monkeydancer]

Yeah, I have a tendency to let things slide and identify a huge number of things at once, which is definitely a bad idea. Bad habits derived from years of playing more forgiving games are hard to lose. I tried a MnBe and it went pretty well until an unfair crowd surrounded me, which I still probably could have avoided if I was more careful. I tend to get bored and complacent with non magic-using characters, so I generally do ok then screw up massively.

[Leafsnail]

Always fight in chokepoints if possible (only exception I can think of is if you're a Summoner, then it can be better to be out in the open so all your summons can gang up on enemies).  If it's not possible, make sure you have an easy escape route to stairs which you can run to if a large group of enemies surprises you.

[breadbocks]

Choke points are death in the Slime Pits, and yeah. Open spaces are a must if you're a summoner.

[Niveras]

Slimes Pits in general is death, you shouldn't generally be trying it until you consider yourself an 'experienced' player. Not necessarily advanced or having successfully won, but know enough about preparation and tricks and such. Learndb can substitute for experience to an extent.

On the bright side, playing the 8.0 release, you won't have to worry about making that mistake again: attempting to ascend a staircase while overburdened should fail without consuming a turn (at least I thought I saw that while browsing the commit log once, maybe it was only mentioned in passing about a desired change here).

[monkeydancer]

I'm sure I'm ashamed enough of that one I'll never forget it.  Plenty of other mistakes to make though...