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[Ochita]

Also I am using a high elf magic user, ice magic. Feel free to laugh.

[freeformschooler]

Hey, that's not laughable. My highest leveled character (got to XP 15 and dungeon level 9, yeah yeah laugh while ya can) was a High Elf Air Elementalist. Although, at the same time, Spark and Mephitic Cloud are nearly game breaking early on...

[Ochita]

I had a ring of regen too...

[Dr.Feelgood]

What are you crazy skipping levels in the early game you need every bit of that precious XP you can get at that point.

Skipping levels is a good idea, if you can't handle what's lurking around. I do it all the time.

[Dakk]

I skip the final level of the shoals and snake pits all the time, and come back later when I know I won't die easily to a javeliner/naga swarm.

[Mr.Person]

Well yeah, but that's a branch end. Skipping those for later is absurdly common.

[Vorthon]

I've found that Scrolls of Random Uselessness can be useful in a pinch. (As long as they summon a bunch of butterflys, that is...)

[Robsoie]

They can be usefull too if your character is trying to gain the spellcasting spell, as reading scrolls after scrolls is the only way when you don't have such skill in your list.
Finding many useless scrolls can be then a good way to hopefully get spellcasting without wasting too much usefull scrolls.

[zchris13]

As any player playing elves knows, High elves are pretty squishy.  Now, imagine for a moment, something infinitely squishier than a High Elf. Deep Elves are the squishiest things I've ever met.  Recently tried a Hill Orc Priest (START THE WAUGH)(lol) and he was so much sturdier. But mostly, just bragging about my epic exp lvl 13 DEFE. (S)he is currently on L:6.  I hate hydras. Hate them so much.  Got insanely lucky with weapons (lol I don't use weapons) this game. I have moderately enchanted sabres of most of the good brands (for Lair: elec, speed, venom). in my stash, as well as a staff of conjuration.

Poisonous cloud is so broken.
Sif Muna loves me so much, I got Ring of Flames and Firestorm so early this game.  Can't cast them, but I'm working on it.

Spoiler: spell list (click to show/hide)

 Your Spells                       Type                          Success   Level
 a - Flame Tongue                  Conjuration/Fire              Excellent   1
 b - Throw Flame                   Conjuration/Fire              Excellent   2
 c - Sticky Flame                  Conjuration/Fire              Excellent   4
 d - Iskenderun's Mystic Blast     Conjuration                   Excellent   4
 e - Bolt of Fire                  Conjuration/Fire              Great       6
 f - Poisonous Cloud               Conjuration/Poison/Air        Very Good   5
 g - Regeneration                  Charms/Necromancy             Excellent   3
 h - Conjure Flame                 Conjuration/Fire              Excellent   3
 i - Blink                         Translocation                 Excellent   2
 r - Repel Missiles                Charms/Air                    Excellent   2
 s - Swiftness                     Charms/Air                    Excellent   2
 t - Teleport Other                Translocation                 Excellent   3
 A - Apportation                   Translocation                 Excellent   1

Spoiler: Part of my Inventory (click to show/hide)

a - a +5,+5 elven sabre of speed (weapon)
Armour
 n - a +2 elven cloak (worn)
 B - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
 G - a +0 helmet (worn)
 K - a +1 swamp dragon armour (worn)
Magical Devices
 d - a runed lead wand
 l - a wand of teleportation {recharged}
 r - a runed wooden wand
 v - a wand of teleportation
 x - a wand of teleportation
 O - a wand of frost {zapped: 1}

[debvon]

But mostly, just bragging about my epic exp lvl 13 DEFE. (S)he is currently on L:6.  I hate hydras. Hate them so much.

I play DEFE a lot. And I mean.. a LOT. Hydras are extremely easy for me to kill, I'm curious as to why you hate them so much? Sticky flame (I realize that it has been nerfed to melee range, but still) and bolts of fire take them down without any trouble at all, unless you're low on magic when meeting one.

Anyway, I know that fire suffers mid-late game, but I'd still like to know.. is it better to stick with Sif Muna, or is there any sense in going with Vehemut with a FE?  I pretty much always go with Vehemut and while his buffs help a lot, I still find myself in heaps of trouble around D13.

[zchris13]

The thing is you start needing defenses at around that point. Start building up dodging, pumping up enchantments (charms in trunk, not hexes) and air. Get some of the defensive spells going.  You really start to need them.

[Mindmaker]

I really want that longsword berserker to work.
What's tricky is the strength weighting. Am I wrong in assuming he'll be most effective, if I put a point in dex for every two points in strength?

[Mr.Person]

If you think Deep Elves are squishy, try Kenku.

[G-Flex]

They're both equally squishy. Actually, I'd say kenku are less squishy, because they get an EV bonus from flying, and have (I think) better Fighting aptitude.

I really want that longsword berserker to work.
What's tricky is the strength weighting. Am I wrong in assuming he'll be most effective, if I put a point in dex for every two points in strength?

Strength and Dexterity don't really matter all that much. Having decent Str is handy if you're wearing armor with an EVP and still want good Dodging (although if you're wearing something very heavy, you might as well give up on having good EV), Dex is good for EV as well, and for Stealth, and there are a few other minor bonuses, but they aren't as important as Int if you cast any spells.

As a berserker, though, I'd jack Int up to around 8 just to prevent stat death, then work on Str and Dex as appropriate for the race and what sort of armor you use.

Anyway, I know that fire suffers mid-late game, but I'd still like to know.. is it better to stick with Sif Muna, or is there any sense in going with Vehemut with a FE?  I pretty much always go with Vehemut and while his buffs help a lot, I still find myself in heaps of trouble around D13.

Of course Vehumet makes sense; you get cheaper high-level spells, better chance to cast them, more spell range, MP back on kills, and are guaranteed all the best summoning and conjuration spellbooks.

It really depends on what's causing you trouble, though. As a Fire Elementalist, odds are you just don't have much available to you at that time except for direct damage spells, which can be harsh. Make good use of spells like Conjure Flame in order to control enemy movement, and see if you can't nab any other books with some utility spells in them.

[Vorthon]

I'm going to see how far I can get with a spriggan artificer. Spriggans are fast, and with a rod of striking, I don't have to worry about running out of charges (For long periods, anyways...). I shall report periodically on my status!

edit: I died... T_T

Here's the morgue file:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.7.2 character file.

227 Ras Aldaera the Prestidigitator (level 5, -9/26 HPs)
             Began as a Spriggan Artificer on Mar 21, 2011.
             Mangled by Prince Ribbit (17 damage)
             ... on Level 4 of the Dungeon.
             The game lasted 00:22:34 (6718 turns).

Ras Aldaera the Prestidigitator (Spriggan Artificer)                Turns: 6718, Time: 00:22:35

HP  -9/26        AC  9     Str  7      Exp: 5/194 (0), need: 156
MP  10/10        EV  9     Int 15      God:
Gold 92          SH  0     Dex 16      Spells:  0 memorised,  4 levels left

Res.Fire  : x . .   See Invis. : +   a - +0 rod of striking (1/8)
Res.Cold  : + + .   Warding    : .   t - +0 ice dragon armour
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .   (shield restricted)
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : .   (helmet restricted)
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   (no cloak)
Spirit.Shd: .       Stasis     : .   (gloves unavailable)
Sust.Abil.: . .     Rnd.Telep. : .   (boots unavailable)
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   (no amulet)
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .   (no ring)
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: .   r - ring of sustenance

@: very quick, somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: unfitting armour, see invisible, herbivore 3, speed 3, slow metabolism 3
a: no special abilities


You were on level 4 of the Dungeon.
You were not hungry.

You visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and saw 4 of its levels.

You collected 124 gold pieces.
You spent 52 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 o - a +0,+2 dagger (quivered)
Armour
 b - a +0 robe
 t - a +0 ice dragon armour (worn)
Comestibles
 l - 5 strawberries
Scrolls
 e - 2 scrolls of curse armour {unknown}
 h - a scroll of fog {unknown}
 i - 6 scrolls of identify
 m - a scroll of noise {unknown}
 q - a scroll of remove curse {unknown}
 s - a scroll of detect curse
 v - a scroll of blinking {unknown}
Jewellery
 r - a ring of sustenance (left hand)
Potions
 c - a potion of porridge
 d - 3 potions of heal wounds {unknown}
 f - a potion of slowing {unknown}
 g - a potion of healing {unknown}
 j - 3 potions of restore abilities {unknown}
 k - 2 potions of agility {unknown}
 n - a potion of poison {unknown}
 p - a potion of might {unknown}
 u - a potion of brilliance {unknown}
 w - 2 potions of mutation {unknown}
Magical staves
 a - a +0 rod of striking (1/8) (in hand)


 You had 0 experience left.

   Skills:
 + Level 3 Dodging
 + Level 3 Stealth
 - Level 4 Traps & Doors
 + Level 9 Evocations


You had 4 spell levels left.
You didn't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (4/27)           
Temple: D:4-7       

Altars:

Shops:
D:4: /*?*[


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are tiny and cannot use many weapons and most armour.
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
You are a herbivore.
You cover ground extremely quickly.
You need consume almost no food.


Message History

Prince Ribbit hits you but does no damage.
Prince Ribbit catches a millipede with his tongue.
There is an entrance to Emotsim's General Store here.
Prince Ribbit winks and puckers his lips.
Prince Ribbit hits you!
Ouch! That really hurt!
You die...

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You could see Prince Ribbit.

Vanquished Creatures
  A hound (D:3)
  2 snakes
  A giant mite (D:3)
  A worm (D:3)
  A giant eyeball (D:2)
  6 giant cockroaches
  9 goblins
  6 hobgoblins
  5 orcs (D:3)
  3 quokkas (D:3)
  2 small snakes
  5 giant bats
  4 giant newts
  10 kobolds
  19 rats
  4 fungi (D:4)
  3 toadstools (D:3)
82 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A kobold (D:4)
  A goblin (D:1)
  A rat (D:1)
  6 toadstools
9 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 91 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place   | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1     | Ras Aldaera, the Spriggan Artificer, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1     | Reached XP level 1. HP: 11/11 MP: 2/2
     8 | D:1     | Reached skill 6 in Evocations
   421 | D:1     | Reached XP level 2. HP: 7/14 MP: 3/4
  1053 | D:1     | Reached skill 7 in Evocations
  1984 | D:2     | Reached XP level 3. HP: 19/19 MP: 5/6
  3768 | D:3     | Noticed Jessica
  4140 | D:3     | Reached XP level 4. HP: 22/22 MP: 7/8
  4140 | D:3     | Reached skill 8 in Evocations
  5973 | D:4     | Reached skill 9 in Evocations
  6055 | D:4     | Found Pleo's Magical Wand Emporium.
  6125 | D:4     | Noticed Ijyb
  6350 | D:4     | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
  6455 | D:4     | Found Seng's Magic Scroll Shoppe.
  6464 | D:4     | Found Wiluz's Assorted Antiques.
  6475 | D:4     | Found Emotsim's General Store.
  6491 | D:4     | Bought a scroll of detect curse for 26 gold pieces
  6493 | D:4     | Bought a scroll of identify for 26 gold pieces
  6548 | D:4     | Found Kipovuf's Armour Shop.
  6579 | D:4     | Reached XP level 5. HP: 23/26 MP: 9/10
  6590 | D:4     | Noticed Prince Ribbit
  6718 | D:4     | Mangled by Prince Ribbit