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[G-Flex]

Out of curiosity... why wield a short blade as a transmuter? Pretty much any decent transmuter uses forms and/or blade hands.

[BishopX]

Any suggestions on dealing with ogres as a MdFi? Especially before the temple. It seems like I can't run fast/far enough.

[Mr.Person]

Personally, I think you could handle Slime quite easily as long as you have rCoor and rMut. If you don't, well, that's what those acquirement scrolls are for.

@dealing with Ogres: Run. Don't deal with them, just skip the level until you gain a few levels. My assumption is that an ogre hits for 20 damage per hit. It's actually a bit more, but especially with fighters, your armor will cut a little bit of that away. If you must fight it for whatever reason, use an item. !oMight works great if you can take at least one hit, berserk is great if you really can't. Wands will also deal with them easily since they have almost no EV and not a whole lot of HP.

[BishopX]

I now have 3? Maybe four ghosts running around levels 4-7 all killed by surviving ogres.

[Soadreqm]

Out of curiosity... why wield a short blade as a transmuter? Pretty much any decent transmuter uses forms and/or blade hands.

Because I'm a spriggan, basically. Their apts are better for it. In early game, it was easiest to confuse monsters and then stab them, or kite them with evaporated poison clouds. Blade hands has way higher damage output, and I've been using it on bigger monsters, but not having a shield makes me more vulnerable.

[Robsoie]

I was surprised to see that a Spriggan can wear a dragon armor, i always thought dragon armor were heavy.

After checking those armor description i noticed that not all of them are heavy and that steam and mottled are in fact light armor.
Good to know for when i'll play again with Spriggan as i always used robes with them.

[BishopX]

Any opinion on the New okawaru in the trunk?

[Soadreqm]

Yeah, some of the lighter dragon armours are great for spriggans and spellcasters. The -2 EV from swamp dragon armour still sounds pretty manageable.

[Strange guy]

My first ever rune! Easily preventable death in the end, but I didn't think the character had the potential to achieve much more. No having any armour or weapons is a problem, especially when I didn't find any jewellery shops or artefact jewellery. I only recently switched to 0.8, I like quite a few of the changes, but it is a bit unstable. I fact that's how I lost 3 lives- I managed to clear most of elf:1, it crashed, I reloaded and did the same thing again. It crashed again. I then cleared it again, but lost two lives in the process. No crash. Same thing happened in the snake pits, but only one crash and death.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.8.0-a0-5703-gce4dbcf character file.

205943 HArnarmar the Ripper (level 18, -17/85 HPs)
             Began as a Felid Berserker on Mar 14, 2011.
             Was the Champion of Trog.
             Demolished by an acid blob (36 damage)
             ... on Level 22 of the Dungeon on Mar 15, 2011.
             The game lasted 03:42:43 (57640 turns).

HArnarmar the Ripper (Felid Berserker)     Turns: 57640, Time: 03:42:43

HP -17/85        AC  3     Str 15      Exp: 18/319568 (1), need: 34431
MP   0/20        EV 34     Int  9      God: Trog [******]
Gold 3116        SH  0     Dex 22      Spells:  0 memorised, 19 levels left
                                       Lives: 0, deaths: 5

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : +      - Unarmed
Res.Cold  : + . .   Warding    : . .  (armour unavailable)
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .    (shield unavailable)
Res.Acid. : . . .   Res.Corr.  : .    (helmet unavailable)
Res.Poison: +       Clarity    : .    (cloak unavailable)
Res.Elec. : .       Spirit.Shd : +    (gloves unavailable)
Sust.Abil.: . .     Stasis     : .    (boots unavailable)
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .    H - amulet of guardian spirit
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .    E - ring of sustenance
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: .    k - ring of poison resistance

@: quick, very resistant to hostile enchantments, very stealthy
A: paw claws, no armour, no advanced items, fangs 3, see invisible,
carnivore 3, speed 1, -10% hp, -10% mp, slow metabolism 2, AC +3, Str +1
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce
Religion


You were on level 22 of the Dungeon.
You worshipped Trog.
Trog was exalted by your worship.
You were very full.

You visited 7 branches of the dungeon, and saw 43 of its levels.

You collected 3453 gold pieces.
You spent 357 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Comestibles
 a - 6 meat rations
 I - 16 royal jellies
Scrolls
 c - 8 scrolls of teleportation
 d - a scroll of magic mapping
 h - 3 scrolls of detect curse
 m - 2 scrolls of blinking
 v - a scroll of fear
 w - a scroll of summoning
 G - 6 scrolls of remove curse
 L - a scroll of vulnerability
Jewellery
 b - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 g - an uncursed ring of ice
 i - an uncursed ring of teleportation
 k - a ring of poison resistance (left paw)
 o - a +3 ring of evasion
 p - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 q - a +3 ring of dexterity
 r - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 t - an uncursed amulet of controlled flight
 u - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 x - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 y - an uncursed ring of magical power
 A - an uncursed ring of life protection
 B - an uncursed amulet of the gourmand
 E - a ring of sustenance (right paw)
 H - an amulet of guardian spirit (around neck)
 J - an uncursed ring of fire
 N - an uncursed amulet of conservation
Potions
 e - a potion of resistance
 f - 3 potions of agility
 j - a potion of magic
 l - 6 potions of heal wounds
 n - a potion of levitation
 s - 10 potions of healing
 C - a potion of might
 F - a potion of restore abilities
 K - 2 potions of invisibility
 M - 2 potions of speed
Miscellaneous
 z - a serpentine rune of Zot
 D - a stone of earth elementals
 O - a crystal ball of seeing


 You had 1 experience left.

   Skills:
 + Level 13 Fighting
 + Level 16 Dodging
 - Level 5 Stealth
 - Level 5 Stabbing
 - Level 2 Traps & Doors
 + Level 20 Unarmed Combat
 - Level 1 Spellcasting


You had 19 spell levels left.
You didn't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (22/27)            Temple (1/1) D:4             Orc (4/4) D:6
    Elf (1/5) Orc:3          Lair (8/8) D:11         Shoals (0/5) Lair:5
  Slime (0/6) Lair:7        Snake (5/5) Lair:4         Hive (2/2) D:11
  Vault (0/8) D:19       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
The Shining One
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin

Shops:
D:12: %  D:17: *  D:20: [  D:21: [  Orc:4: [(((

Portals:
Hell: D:21 D:22 Lair:8
Abyss: D:21
Trove: D:20 (slimy rune of Zot)


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You cannot wear armour.
You are incapable of any advanced item manipulation.
Your paws have sharp claws.
You have razor-sharp teeth.
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time.
You cover ground quickly.
Your thick and shaggy fur keeps you warm (AC +3, rC+).
You have a slow metabolism.
You are frail (-10% HP).
Your magical capacity is low (-10% MP).
Your muscles are strong (Str +1).


Message History

You bite the acid blob.
The acid blob is moderately wounded.
You mangle the acid blob!! Your paws burn! You claw the acid blob!
The acid blob is heavily wounded.
The acid blob hits you! You are splashed with acid! The acid burns!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You die...

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You could see an acid blob, 3 brown oozes, 3 jellies and an ooze.

Vanquished Creatures
  Saint Roka (D:18)
  Frances (D:20)
  Aizul (Snake:1)
  Donald (Snake:5)
  Terpsichore (D:19)
  Louise (D:16)
  3 azure jellies (D:22)
  A greater naga (Snake:5)
  Jozef (D:13)
  A dire elephant (Lair:8)
  Azrael (Snake:2)
  An ettin (D:22)
  3 yaktaur captains
  A dragon (D:19)
  Josephine (D:14)
  2 wizards
  4 death oozes (D:22)
  Harold (D:14)
  An ogre mage (D:19)
  2 ice dragons
  A hydra (D:12)
  3 anacondas
  2 stone giant zombies
  2 orc high priests
  A fire giant zombie (D:21)
  A frost giant zombie (D:19)
  2 sphinx skeletons
  9 centaur warriors
  A frost giant skeleton (D:21)
  A stone giant skeleton (D:18)
  3 griffons
  11 deep elf knights (Elf:1)
  2 flayed ghosts
  2 hell knights (Snake:5)
  5 orc knights
  3 skeletal warriors (D:18)
  3 unseen horrors
  9 naga warriors
  2 iron troll zombies
  11 hill giants
  Pikel (D:8)
  Joseph (D:8)
  Urug (D:13)
  2 orc sorcerers (Orc:4)
  3 dancing weapons (D:19)
  A necromancer (Snake:5)
  The ghost of Calmut the Summoner, an experienced DESu of Vehumet (D:11)
  A phantasmal warrior (D:15)
  A spiny worm (D:20)
  21 black mambas
  A griffon zombie (D:14)
  A harpy skeleton (D:16)
  A red wasp (shapeshifter) (D:20)
  A beast (Elf:1)
  15 yaktaurs
  Maurice (Elf:1)
  A weapon mimic (D:12)
  A wolf spider (D:16)
  2 door mimics
  15 elephants
  10 cyclopes
  An elephant slug (Lair:8)
  A sixfirhy (Orc:4)
  A giant toad zombie (D:10)
  2 spiny worm zombies
  A shop mimic (D:19)
  3 black mamba zombies (Snake:2)
  5 brown oozes (D:22)
  24 slime creatures
  4 trapdoor spiders
  A griffon skeleton (D:20)
  5 spiny frogs
  A rock troll (D:16)
  3 hellwings
  A hill giant zombie (D:14)
  A tormentor (Orc:4)
  A komodo dragon (shapeshifter) (D:13)
  57 ugly things
  2 queen bees
  An iron devil (D:20)
  A smoke demon (Lair:8)
  2 human zombies (Snake:5)
  6 komodo dragons
  9 trolls
  5 blink frogs (Lair:8)
  9 naga magi
  A rock troll zombie (D:14)
  13 giant toads
  2 deep troll skeletons
  The ghost of Luru the Tainter, an average NaVM (D:5)
  6 two-headed ogres
  A raven (shapeshifter) (D:19)
  4 bumblebees (Lair:7)
  2 vampires
  7 deep elf conjurers (Elf:1)
  Edmund (D:8)
  A viper zombie (Snake:2)
  24 yaks
  A fire elemental (Snake:2)
  4 vipers
  2 sharks (Lair:5)
  Eustachio (D:10)
  A neqoxec (Orc:4)
  2 wraiths
  2 ynoxinuls
  A wood golem (D:16)
  12 vampire mosquitoes
  12 deep elf fighters (Elf:1)
  A merfolk (shapeshifter) (D:20)
  10 war dogs
  A deep elf summoner (Elf:1)
  2 fire drakes
  7 hippogriffs
  4 manticores
  A yaktaur zombie (D:20)
  2 soldier ants
  2 elves (shapeshifter) (D:20)
  2 rock worms
  A yaktaur skeleton (D:19)
  A giant slug zombie (D:17)
  5 necrophages
  2 cyclops zombies
  6 ice beasts
  A manticore zombie (D:12)
  3 freezing wraiths
  24 orc warriors
  5 deep elf priests (Elf:1)
  3 hell hounds (Snake:2)
  2 phantoms (D:19)
  3 slaves (D:8)
  A kobold demonologist (D:20)
  7 ogres
  2 giant goldfish (Lair:1)
  71 nagas
  2 red devils
  5 sky beasts
  9 gila monsters
  A centaur (shapeshifter) (D:18)
  29 centaurs
  A yellow wasp (D:15)
  10 deep elf magi (Elf:1)
  2 boring beetles
  35 water moccasins
  2 boulder beetle zombies
  Duvessa (D:9)
  6 crocodiles
  3 wargs
  4 giant slugs
  13 giant frogs
  A brain worm (D:20)
  A soldier ant zombie (D:14)
  6 agate snails
  3 big kobolds
  Blork the orc (D:9)
  4 water moccasin zombies (Snake:2)
  4 jellyfish
  145 killer bees
  An eye of draining (D:13)
  7 wights
  A boulder beetle (D:21)
  2 electric eels
  A shadow (D:11)
  A brain worm zombie (D:13)
  Dowan (D:9)
  3 big kobold skeletons
  A gila monster skeleton (D:10)
  5 goliath beetles
  Crazy Yiuf (D:2)
  15 orc priests
  14 hounds
  9 imps
  3 scorpions
  14 deep elf soldiers (Elf:1)
  A hound skeleton (D:8)
  5 big fish
  9 iguanas
  An iguana (shapeshifter) (D:20)
  27 orc wizards
  6 porcupines
  4 worker ants
  3 elf zombies (Elf:1)
  2 orange rats (D:18)
  19 sheep
  Jessica (D:2)
  15 jellies
  3 boggarts (D:19)
  51 snakes
  54 green rats
  3 giant centipedes
  9 gnolls
  2 giant mites
  6 snake zombies
  A midge (D:10)
  A shadow imp (Elf:1)
  An iguana skeleton (D:4)
  5 worms
  3 ufetubi
  3 grey rats (D:18)
  4 giant eyeballs
  2 megabat skeletons
  A megabat zombie (D:8)
  5 giant geckos
  9 oozes
  147 orcs
  5 giant cockroaches
  33 goblins
  16 hobgoblins
  35 jackals
  28 kobolds
  6 giant newts
  A hobgoblin skeleton (D:20)
  A jackal skeleton (D:13)
  2 jackal zombies (D:5)
  15 killer bee larvae
  29 megabats
  5 quokkas
  19 rats
  A rat skeleton (D:10)
  2 small snakes
  A small snake zombie (Snake:2)
  6 ballistomycetes
  4 fungi
  2 plants
  19 toadstools
1602 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  Margery (Snake:5)
  A quicksilver dragon (D:20)
  Agnes (Snake:5)
  4 greater nagas (Snake:5)
  A dire elephant (Lair:8)
  A yaktaur captain (D:21)
  9 hydras
  An ogre mage (D:16)
  4 death yaks
  An anaconda (Snake:5)
  3 orc high priests (Orc:4)
  2 stone giant zombies
  A centaur warrior (D:20)
  A sun demon (Lair:8)
  4 hell knights (Snake:5)
  A griffon (Lair:8)
  5 naga warriors (Snake:5)
  3 orc sorcerers (Orc:4)
  4 orc knights (Orc:4)
  A hill giant (D:20)
  A cyclops (D:13)
  A statue (D:20)
  An elf (shapeshifter) (D:17)
  4 black mambas
  5 slime creatures
  2 portal mimics
  A stone giant simulacrum (D:20)
  3 elephants (Lair:8)
  An orange demon (Lair:8)
  A hill giant zombie (D:15)
  A spiny frog (Lair:8)
  4 hellwings
  A troll (D:20)
  2 komodo dragons (Lair:8)
  7 naga magi (Snake:5)
  9 ugly things (D:13)
  A two-headed ogre (D:16)
  A hairy devil (Lair:8)
  2 bumblebees (Lair:7)
  2 giant toads
  A fire elemental (Snake:2)
  A vampire mosquito (D:16)
  2 hippogriffs
  Grum (D:10)
  2 wraiths (Snake:2)
  5 vipers (Lair:6)
  3 war dogs
  3 yaks (D:16)
  9 orc warriors
  6 necrophages (Snake:2)
  A hell hound (Snake:2)
  3 red devils (Lair:8)
  4 ogres
  A rotting devil (Lair:8)
  A gila monster (Lair:4)
  A crocodile (Lair:8)
  A warg (D:18)
  9 water moccasins
  17 nagas (Snake:5)
  An agate snail (D:20)
  2 giant frogs
  A killer bee (D:12)
  6 orc priests
  A hound (D:13)
  A hound skeleton (D:12)
  An iron imp (Orc:4)
  5 orc wizards
  A worker ant zombie (D:20)
  A worker ant (D:20)
  3 orc zombies (Orc:4)
  4 snakes
  A giant centipede zombie (D:12)
  A green rat (Lair:7)
  A lemure (Orc:4)
  An ufetubus (Orc:4)
  7 orcs
  A hobgoblin (D:12)
  A giant newt (D:13)
  A rat (Snake:2)
  A fungus (Lair:7)
  A plant (Lair:8)
213 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A stone giant (D:18)
  4 hill giants
  7 slime creatures
  A small abomination (D:12)
  An orc priest (Orc:4)
  An iguana (D:16)
  An orc wizard (D:18)
  2 jellies (D:22)
  A green rat (Lair:1)
  A snake (Lair:4)
  2 oozes (D:22)
  2 orcs
  2 jackals (Lair:3)
  A kobold (D:6)
  2 giant spores
  A rat (D:7)
  A fungus (Lair:8)
  3 plants
  6 toadstools
40 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 1855 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place   | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1     | HArnarmar, the Felid Berserker, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1     | Reached XP level 1. HP: 12/12 MP: 0/0
   335 | D:1     | Reached XP level 2. HP: 5/15 MP: 1/1
   582 | D:1     | Reached XP level 3. HP: 8/19 MP: 2/3
   791 | D:1     | Reached skill level 1 in Stealth
  1068 | D:2     | Reached skill level 1 in Stabbing
  1136 | D:2     | Acquired Trog's second power
  1196 | D:2     | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
  1204 | D:2     | Defeated Crazy Yiuf
  1204 | D:2     | Reached XP level 4. HP: 23/23 MP: 4/4
  1583 | D:2     | Noticed Jessica
  1587 | D:2     | Defeated Jessica
  2227 | D:3     | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  2400 | D:3     | Reached XP level 5. HP: 28/28 MP: 5/6
  2410 | D:3     | Reached skill level 6 in Dodging
  3080 | D:4     | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat
  3137 | D:4     | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  3145 | D:4     | Gained mutation: You are covered in thick fur (AC +2).
  3145 | D:4     | Reached XP level 6. HP: 31/31 MP: 7/7
  3167 | Temple  | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  3624 | D:5     | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4204 | D:5     | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  4256 | D:5     | Noticed Luru's ghost (average NaVM)
  4261 | D:5     | Defeated Luru's ghost
  4261 | D:5     | Reached XP level 7. HP: 36/36 MP: 8/9
  4469 | D:5     | Acquired Trog's third power
  4649 | D:5     | Reached skill level 7 in Dodging
  4708 | D:5     | Reached skill level 1 in Traps & Doors
  5377 | D:6     | Reached XP level 8. HP: 22/40 MP: 10/10
  5460 | D:6     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  6054 | D:6     | Reached skill level 8 in Dodging
  6577 | D:7     | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  6615 | D:7     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns
  7159 | D:8     | Noticed Joseph
  7168 | D:8     | Defeated Joseph
  7168 | D:8     | Reached XP level 9. HP: 45/45 MP: 11/12
  7350 | D:8     | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  7584 | D:8     | Noticed Edmund
  7588 | D:8     | Gained mutation: You are frail (-10% HP).
  7595 | D:8     | Defeated Edmund
  7596 | D:8     | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat
  7646 | D:8     | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  7664 | D:8     | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  8093 | D:8     | Noticed Pikel
  8104 | D:8     | Defeated Pikel
  8560 | D:9     | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat
  8620 | D:9     | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  8762 | D:9     | Noticed Duvessa
  8762 | D:9     | Noticed Dowan
  8771 | D:9     | Defeated Duvessa
  8775 | D:9     | Defeated Dowan
  8839 | D:9     | Noticed Blork the orc
  8848 | D:9     | Defeated Blork the orc
  8941 | D:9     | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  9309 | D:10    | Noticed Eustachio
  9322 | D:10    | Defeated Eustachio
  9322 | D:10    | Reached XP level 10. HP: 28/45 MP: 13/13
  9601 | D:10    | Noticed Grum
  9612 | D:10    | Defeated Grum
  9810 | D:11    | Found a staircase to the Hive.
  9876 | D:11    | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
  9890 | D:11    | Reached skill level 11 in Unarmed Combat
  9993 | D:11    | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 10098 | D:11    | Noticed Calmut's ghost (experienced DESu)
 10106 | D:11    | Defeated Calmut's ghost
 10360 | D:11    | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 10531 | D:12    | Found Otuthij's Food Boutique.
 10725 | D:12    | Reached skill level 1 in Spellcasting
 10891 | D:12    | Reached skill level 12 in Unarmed Combat
 10943 | D:12    | Reached XP level 11. HP: 52/52 MP: 16/17
 11713 | D:12    | HP: 3/78 [poisoned by a weapon mimic]
 11718 | D:12    | HP: 1/78 [poisoned by a weapon mimic]
 11720 | D:12    | Succumbed to a weapon mimic's poison
 12142 | D:13    | Found a labyrinth entrance.
 12145 | D:13    | Noticed Jozef
 12160 | D:13    | Reached skill level 13 in Unarmed Combat
 12162 | D:13    | Defeated Jozef
 12749 | D:13    | Noticed Urug
 12762 | D:13    | Defeated Urug
 12819 | D:13    | Gained mutation: Your thick and shaggy fur keeps you warm (AC +3, rC+).
 12819 | D:13    | Reached XP level 12. HP: 49/56 MP: 18/18
 12837 | D:13    | HP: 2/56 [cyclops/ large rock (22)]
 13092 | D:13    | Reached skill level 14 in Unarmed Combat
 13854 | D:14    | Noticed Harold
 13866 | D:14    | Defeated Harold
 13927 | D:14    | HP: 1/84 [centaur/arrow of flame (13)]
 14354 | Lair:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 15224 | Lair:1  | Gained mutation: Your muscles are strong (Str +1).
 17357 | Lair:4  | Got a faintly glowing leather armour
 17358 | Lair:4  | Identified the cursed -1 leather armour of Grace (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)
 17948 | Lair:4  | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 18668 | Lair:5  | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 19913 | Lair:6  | Reached XP level 13. HP: 61/61 MP: 19/19
 20774 | Lair:7  | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 20814 | Lair:7  | Reached skill level 15 in Unarmed Combat
 20982 | Lair:7  | Noticed a bumblebee
 20983 | Lair:7  | Noticed a bumblebee
 20983 | Lair:7  | Noticed a bumblebee
 20983 | Lair:7  | Noticed a bumblebee
 20983 | Lair:7  | Noticed a bumblebee
 20983 | Lair:7  | Noticed a bumblebee
 20987 | Lair:7  | Defeated a bumblebee
 20993 | Lair:7  | Defeated a bumblebee
 20994 | Lair:7  | Defeated a bumblebee
 20996 | Lair:7  | Defeated a bumblebee
 21000 | Lair:7  | Defeated a bumblebee
 21005 | Lair:7  | Defeated a bumblebee
 21970 | Lair:8  | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 24288 | D:10    | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 24527 | D:6     | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 24616 | Orc:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 25069 | Orc:3   | Noticed an orc high priest
 25073 | Orc:3   | Defeated an orc high priest
 25195 | Orc:4   | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
 25196 | Orc:4   | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 25197 | Orc:4   | Defeated a two-headed ogre
 25284 | Orc:4   | Noticed an orc high priest
 25287 | Orc:4   | Gained mutation: Your magical capacity is low (-10% MP).
 25295 | Orc:4   | Defeated an orc high priest
 26146 | Orc:3   | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 26684 | Orc:3   | Noticed a two-headed ogre
 26689 | Orc:3   | Defeated a two-headed ogre
 26956 | Orc:4   | Found Keutefra's Antique Weapon Boutique.
 26971 | Orc:4   | Noticed an orc high priest
 26974 | Orc:4   | Defeated an orc high priest
 26974 | Orc:4   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 49/66 MP: 18/18
 26977 | Orc:4   | Noticed an orc high priest
 26977 | Orc:4   | Defeated an orc high priest
 26984 | Orc:4   | Defeated an orc high priest
 27195 | Orc:4   | Found Ypiedgh's Armour Emporium.
 27203 | Orc:4   | Found Siur Stru's Weapon Emporium.
 27205 | Orc:4   | Found Kheat's Antique Weapon Boutique.
 27809 | Lair:8  | Reached skill level 16 in Unarmed Combat
 28701 | Lair:8  | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
 28730 | Lair:8  | Found a gateway to Hell.
 29189 | D:14    | Noticed Josephine
 29205 | D:14    | Defeated Josephine
 30339 | D:15    | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 30369 | D:15    | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
 31055 | D:15    | Noticed a freezing wraith
 31055 | D:15    | Noticed a freezing wraith
 31055 | D:15    | Noticed a phantasmal warrior
 31067 | D:15    | Defeated a freezing wraith
 31200 | D:15    | Defeated a phantasmal warrior
 31323 | D:15    | Defeated a freezing wraith
 31367 | D:15    | Got a fine animal skin
 31368 | D:15    | Identified the +3 animal skin of Midsummer (You found it on level 15 of the Dungeon)
 32357 | D:16    | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
 33643 | D:16    | Noticed Louise
 33667 | D:16    | Defeated Louise
 34264 | D:16    | Reached XP level 15. HP: 71/71 MP: 18/18
 34535 | D:17    | Paralysed by a red wasp for 3 turns
 35127 | D:17    | Found Piuts' General Store.
 35133 | D:17    | Bought an uncursed ring of poison resistance for 357 gold pieces
 35296 | D:18    | Noticed Saint Roka
 35305 | D:18    | Reached skill level 17 in Unarmed Combat
 35481 | D:18    | Killed from afar by Saint Roka
 35709 | D:18    | Defeated Saint Roka
 37198 | D:19    | Found a staircase to the Vaults.
 38336 | D:19    | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging
 38349 | D:19    | Noticed Terpsichore
 38580 | D:19    | Noticed a trident
 38581 | D:19    | Noticed a dwarven hand axe
 38581 | D:19    | Noticed a trident
 38605 | D:19    | Defeated a dwarven hand axe
 38610 | D:19    | Defeated Terpsichore
 38614 | D:19    | Defeated a trident
 38616 | D:19    | Defeated a trident
 38748 | D:19    | Reached skill level 5 in Stabbing
 38809 | D:19    | Reached XP level 16. HP: 74/74 MP: 1/19
 39092 | D:19    | Reached skill level 18 in Unarmed Combat
 39620 | Hive:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Hive
 39623 | Hive:1  | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth
 39770 | Hive:2  | Entered Level 2 of the Hive
 40154 | Hive:1  | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
 41294 | Snake:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit
 41403 | Snake:2 | Noticed Azrael
 42751 | Snake:1 | Noticed Aizul
 42765 | Snake:1 | Defeated Aizul
 43359 | Snake:2 | Defeated Azrael
 43818 | Snake:3 | HP: 3/76 [naga warrior/long sword (20)]
 43820 | Snake:3 | Slain by a naga
 46088 | Snake:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Snake Pit
 46186 | Snake:5 | Noticed Donald
 46193 | Snake:5 | Defeated Donald
 46645 | Snake:5 | Noticed Margery
 46662 | Snake:5 | Defeated Margery
 47041 | Snake:5 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 80/80 MP: 7/20
 47102 | Snake:5 | Noticed Agnes
 47106 | Snake:5 | Defeated Agnes
 47603 | Snake:5 | Got a serpentine rune of Zot
 47654 | Snake:5 | Reached skill level 19 in Unarmed Combat
 48655 | Elf:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls
 48698 | Elf:1   | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
 48727 | Elf:1   | Killed from afar by a deep elf mage
 49601 | Elf:1   | HP: 2/119 [deep elf knight/ runed arrow of flame (18)]
 49607 | Elf:1   | Shot with a runed arrow of flame by a deep elf knight
 50295 | Elf:1   | Noticed Maurice
 50299 | Elf:1   | Defeated Maurice
 51403 | D:20    | Entered Level 20 of the Dungeon
 51438 | D:20    | Noticed Frances
 51478 | D:20    | Defeated Frances
 52095 | D:20    | Found a portal to a secret trove of treasure.
 52144 | D:20    | Found Afiabuak's Armour Shoppe.
 53598 | D:20    | Noticed a quicksilver dragon
 53618 | D:20    | Defeated a quicksilver dragon
 54851 | D:21    | Reached XP level 18. HP: 61/82 MP: 20/20
 55220 | D:21    | Found Khuimoapt's Antique Armour Shop.
 56110 | D:21    | Found a one-way gate to the infinite horrors of the Abyss.
 56628 | D:22    | Reached skill level 20 in Unarmed Combat
 57640 | D:22    | Demolished by an acid blob



[Mr.Person]

Any opinion on the New okawaru in the trunk?

Of course, since it's a nerf, it's bad.

More realistically, I'm not sure Okawaru was too powerful to begin with, it's just that everyone liked the gifts. But now a whole bunch of fighters are pissed off since they no longer have a reliable way of getting through Lair. Might made it very possible for Lvl5, 6, and 7 fighters to finish off ogres and other nasties. Heroism doesn't come close to a guaranteed 1d10 damage bonus. Now how am I supposed to drag bad fighting aptitude races up into the mid-game? And if they take away the gifts, what's Okawaru left with? Two abilities, one of which is completely useless in the endgame. Wow that's awful. Okawaru needs something to help out. A straight accuracy bonus of +1 per * would be a great way of making every star relevant. It might be too good if that was a damage bonus, but hey, why not? It could be a damage bonus of 1d*s, that doesn't sound broken. It is boring, yes, but then, I also want another ability given out at *** or **** to make the transition from heroism to finesse and to give Okawaru more oomph in the midgame before one has the invocations to use finesse.

Long-story short, I'm fine with changing Okawaru and even taking away the gifts, but heroism sucks too much to make new Okawaru viable. Okawaru needs another ability or two to make him useful.

[G-Flex]

Any opinion on the New okawaru in the trunk?

Of course, since it's a nerf, it's bad.

It's not entirely a nerf. Finesse is actually better than Haste when it comes to melee. Heroism is also apparently pretty useful for unarmed combat.

The thing is that Might was too good. The god in general might not have been, but Might was.

[Mr.Person]

Might's problem was there weren't any drawbacks or real cost to using it and was duplicated by a potion, so it was boring. It was also too good compared to, say, Lugonu or Mahklab and had no downsides compared to Trog. I'm not arguing it didn't need changing, I'm just arguing that heroism sucks. Bad.

[Angel Of Death]

Are fighter-type chars still horribly weak?

[G-Flex]

Armor (as in heavy armor especially) is much better in the trunk builds, so that kind of character is definitely more viable now.

[Angel Of Death]

Armor (as in heavy armor especially) is much better in the trunk builds, so that kind of character is definitely more viable now.

Will my troll berserker still be an early game killing machine, but a mid game dying machine? Hold on a minute, I downloaded the ultra new version with felids and stuff, now I can't find it! Wheres the download link?