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[Frumple]

Except you can't really play them as spriggans, even similar to spriggans. They're not nearly as stealthy (Only +2 apt), they probably have less health now (HP got nerfed sometime yesterday and was already low), they can't really stab (Unarmed is in the 'other' category), and they're slower. All the felid's casting aptitudes are worse than spriggans for spriggan-style play. Felids are even worse fighters than Sprigs, hands down. No shield, no armor. They've got better conjuration and summoning, slightly better elemental apts, but that's about it. The only thing they can do better is eat -- they've probably got the easiest food game of anything not-a-mummy. Felids even gain XP slower than sprigs for some ungodly reason, or at least do in the trunk version I've got.

It's seems kinda' obvious to me that felids are just a gimpy challenge race, really. I'd be happy if the game came with a 'disable felids' option, same way a lot of *band variants have a 'disable joke monsters' one. At the moment, they're really not adding anything interesting or meaningful. Panic teleport and heal once every four character levels isn't terribly interesting and rewards careless play anyway.

Re: TSO and green dracs; just have TSO intervene if you're at something like 2 or 3 star piety. Seems the obvious choice to make.

[Dr.Feelgood]

I and many other players WILL startscum until we get the draconians we want anyways.

Start-scumming is boring and it worsens a player's record. The random colors aren't so bad that I'd intentionally lose dozens of times to get a specific color.

There are several combos that are not happening. TSO and green, FE and red or mottled, EE and black, and any pale draconians at all.

Don't play a specialized background. Not all jobs have to be equally viable for a species. And Pale draconians are pretty decent, steam breath is a poor man's fog scroll.

Also, I'm not convinced Felids are going to be a good addition so far. They seem weaker than Ogres, which is saying something. If I want "stealthy but can't use most weapons and armor", I'll play as a Spriggan. They don't seem to fit any particular niche at all. I suppose if they wind up with the best Traps and Doors skill, that could wind up being useful for them when Traps and Doors gets the ability to make traps out of wands and weapons. On the other hand, if they can't even swing a dagger at all, how do they have the fine motor skills to build a trap and set a dagger into the trap to swing when it's set off? That makes no sense, but then again, neither does a Troll building a trap like that or a Spriggan even being able to life huge boulders up to the ceiling at all, so maybe it doesn't matter.

Felids seem to make good summoners, transmuters, and berserkers.

[Antioch]

I broke a finger this weekend, so crawl is almost the only computer game I can play for a while

btw, do spriggans finally get the epic nerf they deserve?

it seriously just isn't funny how OP spriggan enchanters are....

[Mindmaker]

I've cleared the Hive and now have more food than I can ever need.
So how much should I stash away and how much should I keep on me?

[Dakk]

I stash away all food except for some bread and meat rations. Thanks to this amulet of the gourmand I'm never at trouble finding food.

The RNG is being very graceful with me by throwing unrands at me. I ran into the wrath of trog quite a while ago, and now I find the golden armor of the dragon king in the vaults. My berserking self is pleased.

[Von Krieger]

Died to an Iron Golem on D8, showed up right near an altar of Okawaru, so I assume it's essentially part of a themed alter? Kind of a dickish thing to have a chance to show up that bloody early.

[Mr.Person]

Speaking from the perspective of an inveterate all random afficionado..

I cannot for the life of me even think of one good reason to keep draconian colors random.

It's fun, and gives the race a unique character. You say that they are too much like demonspawn, but wouldn't colour choosing simply add 9 inferior "new" races with pre-existing counterparts, eg. purple draconians as a variety of tough, fire-breathing elf?

Yes, but this a problem with the current draconians in general. Choosing color just highlights a pre-existing problem of draconians not being interesting or fun. Random color certainly doesn't make them interesting, now does it?

Furthermore, if you commit your sub-level 7 draconian to the long term strategy of TSO worship, then you deserve the entirely predictable kick in the pants from the RNG when you develop a fetching set of green scales at level 7 (even so, you can always switch to Zin or Elyvilon).

So you're saying that I should be punished for wanting to play a DrPa, an otherwise valid race-class combination? I'm left with either the option of being a gimped character, being forced to change class when I'd rather not do so, or restarting. None of those option sounds particularly fun. Since I'm not having fun, the race has failed and needs to be reworked.

It's a bit like choosing a random race, but with more control. If you are choosing your class, then to reduce risk of getting hosed you can cross off a few of the more specialised choices that paint a juicy target for the RNG eg. elementalists.

Ok, you're right about this one. Problem is, this is a bad thing. A VERY bad thing. Many class choices are unfun yet possible because playing them requires a LOT of startscumming just to not be at a disadvantage. This isn't making the classes good, I'm talking about making the classes not suck. So rather than jump through unfun hoops and be left with a gimpy character anyways, I'm just not going to play draconian. So if you can play them, why not at least try make playing those draconian-class combinations fun by eliminating the need to startscum in the first place since startscumming isn't fun?

And startscumming sucks. I don't think development should be driven by a need to completely eliminate the possibility of such marginal player behaviours at the price of some of the challenge or uniqueness of certain races.

Startscumming isn't a "marginal" player behavior nor is it uncommon for players to partake in it. There's a reason Chaos Knight Abyss-starts can't generate an Abyssal rune. There's a reason that wizards in Nethack can't start with wands of wishing or death. In fact, Nethack's wizards are notorious for startscumming. Angband autorollers were added because players would roll tons of characters trying to get one with good stats, so the whole process just got automated. If you've ever read Crawl's help document on making entry vaults, they specifically mention "no loot lest the player be tempted to start scum". Several fairly cool entry vaults were removed because players were startscumming to get them.

Additionally, even if startscumming is so unfun that nobody actually partakes in it, it's still an undeniable fact that startscumming is optimal play. This is wrong. Optimal play should NEVER involve scumming. And if draconians are buffed, which I believe they're going to be/already have been, then not startscumming them could result in them being underpowered.

I also fail to see how random draconian color makes draconians unique. It's the opposite, really, since randomness just makes them gimpy demonspawn who can't wear heavy armor. I want to be a dragon, not a slot machine. Their challenge shouldn't involve deciding to restart or not. Their uniqueness is currently playing the lottery. Not only is that not unique at all, it makes no sense for a dragon to be so random.

Also, I'm not convinced Felids are going to be a good addition so far. They seem weaker than Ogres, which is saying something. If I want "stealthy but can't use most weapons and armor", I'll play as a Spriggan. They don't seem to fit any particular niche at all.

 Its niche is being a carnivorous Spriggan with extra lives.

Except they're not. The Spriggan's niche is being small and fast. They're good at stealth and magic. They don't need to eat a lot but can only eat veggies. The only thing Felids have in common with Spriggans is not being able to use most weapons and armor and being good at stealth. Felids are more like Kobolds who can't use armor or weapons and have extra lives. Another Kobold race is JUST what we needed! It's not like Kobolds are already fairly poorly well-defined to begin with.

In case you couldn't tell, I was being sarcastic. Kobolds actually aren't the problem, I think Halflings are, but that's another story. Point is, we don't need ANOTHER small stealth race. Felids would actually be more unique if they were large or regular sized. The only large stealthy race now is Nagas, but Nagas have lots of other things going on. The only stealthy regular sized race is Vampires, who also have other things going on.

I and many other players WILL startscum until we get the draconians we want anyways.

Start-scumming is boring and it worsens a player's record. The random colors aren't so bad that I'd intentionally lose dozens of times to get a specific color.

Yes, start scumming is boring and it worsens a player's record. You wouldn't startscum. Some players would. You're at a disadvantage compared to them. That's a fact. I want to eliminate the startscumming altogether since it's boring and worsens the records of winners.

There are several combos that are not happening. TSO and green, FE and red or mottled, EE and black, and any pale draconians at all.

Don't play a specialized background. Not all jobs have to be equally viable for a species. And Pale draconians are pretty decent, steam breath is a poor man's fog scroll.

I'm sorry, no amount of reasoning is going to get me to like pale draconians. Just accept that I'm not playing them, end of story. Smoke on demand isn't that powerful. It's good in a few situations, which is why I always carry a scroll of fog with me, but it's not as generally useful as sticky flame or mephitic cloud.

So you don't want me to play a specialized background because it's not fun because I get screwed at level 7. That's fine, but why not change draconians to allow specialized backgrounds and increase the fun? It's not like I can't play those backgrounds, I just have to jump through unfun hoops first. Even if I only quit on unacceptalbe colors (green for TSO followers, pale, black for EE, ect.) and accepted any other color, even the mediocre and suboptimal ones, that would still mean I'd quit a significant number of characters. And for what? Random colors? What do random colors bring to the table?

Also, I'm not convinced Felids are going to be a good addition so far. They seem weaker than Ogres, which is saying something. If I want "stealthy but can't use most weapons and armor", I'll play as a Spriggan. They don't seem to fit any particular niche at all. I suppose if they wind up with the best Traps and Doors skill, that could wind up being useful for them when Traps and Doors gets the ability to make traps out of wands and weapons. On the other hand, if they can't even swing a dagger at all, how do they have the fine motor skills to build a trap and set a dagger into the trap to swing when it's set off? That makes no sense, but then again, neither does a Troll building a trap like that or a Spriggan even being able to life huge boulders up to the ceiling at all, so maybe it doesn't matter.

Felids seem to make good summoners, transmuters, and berserkers.

Nothing about them makes summoning look extraordinarily good, and they're better monks than they are transmuters; however, stealthy berserking actually sounds fun. I'm not saying they're unsalvagable, they're just not good in their present state. I also have serious doubts they'll be good in their released state based on the current direction they're going, but I've been surprised before. I thought Cheibriados would suck during development, but Chei's actually not bad. So I'll adopt a wait-and-see attitude before passing final judgment.

[Robsoie]

I think a "simple" fix for the color mutation of the Draconians would be to have that mutation occurs according to what is the highest skill (amongst specific color-influencing skills) the player is having at the level of the color decision.

Fire skill is highest -> Draconian will become a Red Draconian
Poison skill is highest -> Draconian will become a Green Draconian
Fighting skill is highest -> Draconian will become a Grey Draconian
etc..

There you would have the race continue to being unique with its "evolution" power, and in the same time it would not frustrate the player in ending his color mutation having nothing to do with his current class/god, leading to unfun.

The color mutation when reaching its specific level should be a reward, not a punishment to the player. With the possibility to influence the mutation depending on your style of playing, it would remove the punishment part.

[Mindmaker]

Killed by oklob plants.
I thought invisibility would last longer...

[Mr.Person]

Demonspawn mutations used to be deterministic like that. I'm not 100% sure why that was cut.

That system's better but still not desirable. Specifically, what's my reward for being skilled in fire magic? Fire breathe that's exactly the same as the stuff I can shoot from my hands. For being skilled at poison magic? Mephitic breathe that's the same as the spell that I've already been spamming around. What I'm saying is, you're basically screwing ALL the elementalists, except air elementalists and fire elementalists who want to use fire storm

With a deterministic system, spoiled players also have a huge advantage since they know how to game the system into getting the color they want anyways by quickly raising another skill up before hitting level 7 or starting a class just to become that kind of draconian while immediately raising another skill for the rest of the game, both of which are strange and non-obvious behavior. This makes draconians HARDER since you're playing suboptimally in the early game to enhance your mid and late game experience.

Also, what would you do with yellow draconians? Cut them? Shoehorn them into a skill that makes no sense? What about pale? Purple? Mottled?

Note that the "fire elementalists don't want to be red" problem would persist no matter if color was random, deterministic, or chosen, so it should really be solved separately. The second problem would be reduced when the first is solved. Not playing certain classes because they'd be certain colors is fine, although again this is a major spoiler advantage. I have no idea what to do about the third problem.

[Leafsnail]

Well, this guy looks promising, and I'm now in a horribly dangerous situation.  Anyone wanna give some advice?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.7.0 character file.

Leafsnail the Spry (Spriggan Enchanter)                                                                Turns: 22885, Time: 01:11:10

HP  67/67        AC  8     Str 16      Exp: 13/42030 (1012), need: 21019
MP  32/32        EV 36     Int 19      God: Okawaru [*****.]
Gold 420         SH 14     Dex 19      Spells:  5 memorised, 16 levels left

Res.Fire  : + . .   See Invis. : +   a - +6,+1 dwarf dagger (holy) {god gift}
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : .   f - +2 robe of Zuoc Met {god gift, Str+5}
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .   T - +1 buckler of the Alphagorgon {rF+ Int+3 S
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : .   N - +2 wizard hat (curse) {god gift}
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   M - +1 cloak
Spirit.Shd: .       Stasis     : .   (gloves unavailable)
Sust.Abil.: . .     Rnd.Telep. : .   (boots unavailable)
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   (no amulet)
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .   h - +3 ring of strength
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: .   i - +5 ring of evasion

@: very quick, very resistant to hostile enchantments, extraordinarily stealthy
A: unfitting armour, see invisible, herbivore 3, speed 3, slow metabolism 3, Dex +1
a: Might, Haste, Renounce Religion


You are on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Okawaru.
Okawaru is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 18 of its levels.
You have visited 1 Labyrinth.
You have visited 1 portal chamber: bailey.

You have collected 1207 gold pieces.
You have spent 807 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +6,+1 dwarven dagger of holy wrath (weapon) {god gift}
 k - a +3,+1 dwarven dagger of venom (quivered)
Armour
 f - the +2 robe of Zuoc Met (worn) {god gift, Str+5}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   It affects your strength (+5).
 x - a +2 orcish robe
 z - a +1 animal skin {god gift}
 M - a +1 cloak (worn)
 N - a cursed +2 wizard hat (worn) {god gift}
 T - the cursed +1 buckler of the Alphagorgon (worn) {rF+ Int+3 Stlth++}
   (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It protects you from fire.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 U - the +3 robe of Clouds {+Lev rElec}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It lets you levitate.
Magical devices
 d - a wand of flame
 A - a silver wand
 H - a wand of disintegration {zapped: 2}
 W - a wand of flame {zapped: 1}
 X - a wand of polymorph other {zapped: 2}
Comestibles
 t - a choko
 I - 2 slices of pizza
 L - 4 bread rations
Scrolls
 c - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon II
 n - 4 scrolls of teleportation
 s - a scroll of enchant armour
 u - 3 scrolls of recharging
 v - 5 scrolls of detect curse
 B - a scroll labeled KHISEJ SUNG {tried}
Jewellery
 b - a +1 ring of strength
 g - a +1 ring of evasion
 h - a +3 ring of strength (right hand)
 i - a +5 ring of evasion (left hand)
 l - an uncursed ring of ice
 m - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 o - an uncursed amulet of guardian spirit
 r - a granite ring
Potions
 e - a potion of porridge
 j - a potion of heal wounds
 p - 2 potions of healing
 w - 2 potions of speed
 E - a potion of restore abilities
Books
 q - a book of Ice   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Freezing Aura                      Enchantment/Ice              2
   *Ensorcelled Hibernation           Enchantment/Ice              2
   Condensation Shield                Ice/Transmutation            4
   Ozocubu's Refrigeration            Ice                          5
   Bolt of Cold                       Conjuration/Ice              6
   Simulacrum                         Ice/Necromancy               6
   Metabolic Englaciation             Enchantment/Ice              7
   
Magical staves
 Z - a staff of energy
Miscellaneous
 C - a bone lantern


 You have 1012 experience left.

   Skills:
 + Level 6 Fighting
 - Level 8 Short Blades
 - Level 1 Throwing
 + Level 15 Dodging
 + Level 10 Stealth
 - Level 12 Stabbing
 + Level 1 Shields
 + Level 3 Traps & Doors
 + Level 9 Spellcasting
 - Level 14 Enchantments
 - Level 4 Ice Magic


You have 16 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power          Success   Level
a - Corona                Ench           #######.       Excellent   1
b - Ensorcelled Hibernat  Ice/Ench       ######.        Excellent   2
c - Confuse               Ench           #######..      Excellent   3
d - Repel Missiles        Air/Ench       #####.....     Excellent   2
e - Invisibility          Ench           #######..      Great       6


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (12/27)            Temple (1/1) D:5             Orc (0/4) D:9
   Lair (5/8) D:12          Swamp (0/5) Lair:3     
Shoals: Lair:3-6     Snake: Lair:3-6      Hive: D:11-16     

Altars:
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
The Shining One
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin

Shops:
D:9: [  D:10: !

Annotations
D:6 exclusion: 26 freezing vapour clouds


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are tiny and cannot use many weapons and most armour.
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
You are a herbivore.
You cover ground extremely quickly.
You need consume almost no food.
You are agile (Dex +1).


Message History

Okawaru is exalted by your worship.
The water moccasin corpse is consumed by flame.
Your prayer is over.
Magic restored.
Oh no! You have blundered into a Zot trap!
You sense a hostile presence.
There is a Zot trap here.

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You can see an Ice Fiend.

Vanquished Creatures
  A minotaur (Lab)
  The ghost of Leafsnail the Grappler, a powerful TrBe of Trog (Lair:2)
  2 hydras
  The ghost of Leafsnail the Infuser, an experienced SpEn of Okawaru (D:7)
  An orc knight (Port)
  5 hill giants
  A cyclops (D:12)
  A mimic (D:11)
  Maurice (D:9)
  A wolf spider (Lair:5)
  An elephant slug (Lair:5)
  5 slime creatures (D:12)
  Psyche (D:
  A spiny frog (Lair:3)
  3 komodo dragons
  An ettin (D:
  A two-headed ogre (D:11)
  3 blink frogs (Lair:4)
  20 yaks
  8 giant toads
  A wyvern (Lair:3)
  Grum (D:12)
  A steam dragon (D:11)
  2 fire drakes
  7 hippogriffs
  3 war dogs (D:12)
  3 phantoms
  27 orc warriors
  A yak zombie (D:12)
  4 ice beasts
  4 gila monsters
  6 ogres
  16 crocodiles
  A naga (Lair:4)
  6 centaurs
  A big kobold (D:9)
  A giant slug (Lair:3)
  A soldier ant zombie (D:9)
  4 water moccasins
  3 giant snails
  9 giant frogs
  A water moccasin skeleton (D:10)
  15 killer bees
  2 electric eels
  A jellyfish (Lair:1)
  A wight (D:11)
  10 imps
  3 giant beetles
  A big kobold skeleton (D:6)
  A shadow (D:
  A big fish (D:10)
  2 hound zombies
  4 orc priests
  13 hounds
  9 iguanas
  6 giant ants
  7 orc wizards
  A scorpion (D:12)
  A giant ant zombie (D:11)
  9 sheep
  3 jellies
  A mummy (D:9)
  7 gnolls
  3 giant centipedes
  9 snakes
  A giant centipede zombie (D:12)
  16 green rats
  A snake zombie (D:6)
  2 worms
  45 grey rats
  A giant eyeball (D:
  16 giant geckos
  3 oozes (D:1)
  23 giant bats
  8 giant cockroaches
  20 hobgoblins
  28 jackals
  18 kobolds
  54 orcs
  9 quokkas
  3 small snakes
  A giant gecko zombie (D:6)
  10 giant newts
  2 giant spores
  16 goblins
  A kobold skeleton (D:5)
  An orc skeleton (D:6)
  28 rats
  3 ballistomycetes
  A fungus (Lair:4)
  5 toadstools
588 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A hobgoblin (D:6)
  An orc (D:6)
2 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A giant newt (D:4)
  A goblin (D:2)
  A fungus (Lair:3)
  A plant (Lair:3)
  13 toadstools
17 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 607 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place   | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1     | Leafsnail, the Spriggan Enchanter, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1     | Reached XP level 1. HP: 8/8 MP: 4/4
   343 | D:1     | Reached XP level 2. HP: 6/11 MP: 5/7
   348 | D:1     | Learned a level 2 spell: Ensorcelled Hibernation
   487 | D:1     | Reached skill 1 in Stabbing
  1211 | D:1     | Reached XP level 3. HP: 16/16 MP: 8/9
  2568 | D:3     | Reached XP level 4. HP: 17/19 MP: 6/12
  3962 | D:4     | Reached XP level 5. HP: 23/23 MP: 13/14
  4278 | D:4     | Reached skill 1 in Traps & Doors
  4514 | D:4     | Learned a level 3 spell: Confuse
  4767 | D:4     | Reached XP level 6. HP: 24/27 MP: 12/17
  4852 | D:4     | Reached skill 1 in Ice Magic
  4855 | D:4     | Reached skill 5 in Stabbing
  5288 | D:5     | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  5481 | D:5     | Reached skill 5 in Dodging
  5498 | D:5     | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  5561 | D:5     | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  5589 | Temple  | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  5654 | Temple  | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru
  6362 | D:6     | Reached skill 1 in Fighting
  6460 | D:6     | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  6475 | D:6     | Reached XP level 7. HP: 32/32 MP: 18/18
  6526 | D:6     | Reached skill 7 in Enchantments
  6819 | D:6     | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  7165 | D:6     | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles
  7330 | D:7     | Acquired Okawaru's first power
  7476 | D:7     | Reached skill 8 in Enchantments
  7477 | D:7     | Reached XP level 8. HP: 32/37 MP: 15/20
  7540 | D:7     | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  7572 | D:7     | Noticed Leafsnail's ghost
  7596 | D:7     | Defeated Leafsnail's ghost
  7771 | D:7     | Reached skill 9 in Enchantments
  7785 | D:7     | Reached XP level 9. HP: 24/42 MP: 1/22
  8666 | D:8     | Noticed an ettin
  8679 | D:8     | Defeated an ettin
  8812 | D:8     | Noticed Psyche
  8820 | D:8     | Defeated Psyche
  8886 | D:8     | Reached skill 5 in Stealth
  8897 | D:8     | Reached skill 10 in Enchantments
  8994 | D:8     | Reached skill 10 in Dodging
  9278 | D:8     | Reached skill 5 in Short Blades
  9504 | D:9     | Found Muh Ugan's Armour Emporium.
  9505 | D:9     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  9783 | D:9     | Reached skill 11 in Dodging
  9881 | D:9     | Noticed Maurice
  9882 | D:9     | Defeated Maurice
  9882 | D:9     | Reached XP level 10. HP: 48/48 MP: 24/25
 11147 | D:10    | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 11154 | D:10    | Found Teobloefro's Distillery.
 11188 | D:10    | Reached skill 12 in Dodging
 11329 | D:10    | Bought a potion of poison for 1 gold piece
 11329 | D:10    | Bought a potion of degeneration for 1 gold piece
 11329 | D:10    | Bought a potion of mutation for 70 gold pieces
 11573 | D:10    | Reached skill 5 in Spellcasting
 11806 | D:10    | Found a flagged portal.
 11820 | bailey  | Entered the bailey
 12379 | bailey  | Reached XP level 11. HP: 54/54 MP: 25/27
 12638 | bailey  | Acquired Okawaru's second power
 12650 | bailey  | Reached skill 13 in Enchantments
 12874 | D:10    | Gained mutation: You are agile (Dex +1).
 13258 | D:10    | Learned a level 6 spell: Invisibility
 13296 | D:10    | Received a gift from Okawaru
 13873 | D:11    | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
 13952 | D:11    | Reached skill 10 in Stabbing
 14499 | D:11    | Reached skill 5 in Fighting
 14698 | D:11    | Reached skill 14 in Dodging
 14767 | D:11    | Received a gift from Okawaru
 15906 | D:12    | Reached XP level 12. HP: 62/62 MP: 12/29
 16539 | D:12    | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 16784 | D:12    | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
 17271 | D:12    | Noticed Grum
 17273 | D:12    | Defeated Grum
 17593 | Lair:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 17749 | Lair:1  | Got a transparent buckler
 17758 | Lair:1  | Identified the cursed +1 buckler of the Alphagorgon (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
 17884 | D:9     | Bought the +3 robe of Clouds {+Lev rElec} for 735 gold pieces
 18487 | Lair:2  | Found a labyrinth entrance.
 18498 | Lab     | Entered a Labyrinth
 19024 | Lair:2  | Received a gift from Okawaru
 19030 | Lair:2  | Noticed Leafsnail's ghost
 19046 | Lair:2  | Defeated Leafsnail's ghost
 19440 | Lair:2  | Reached skill 10 in Stealth
 19802 | Lair:2  | Reached skill 1 in Shields
 19847 | Lair:2  | Received a gift from Okawaru
 19848 | Lair:2  | Got a slimy robe {god gift}
 19855 | Lair:2  | Identified the +2 robe of Zuoc Met {god gift} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)
 20016 | Lair:3  | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 21157 | Lair:4  | Reached XP level 13. HP: 67/67 MP: 20/32
 21407 | Lair:4  | Reached skill 15 in Dodging
 22182 | Lair:5  | Received a gift from Okawaru
 22481 | Lair:5  | Noticed a wolf spider
 22496 | Lair:5  | Defeated a wolf spider

In case you don't want to go through all that, I just stepped on a Zot trap which spawned an Ice Fiend right next to me (apparently not summoned).  Uh... how can I escape?

Also, I'm kindof annoyed that the Robe of Clouds doesn't actually fit its description, but I guess it'll be good once I get Flight.

[Soadreqm]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Ice Fiend (1)

One of the most terrible denizens of the many Hells, the Ice Fiend is a huge icy figure, covered in frost and wreathed in freezing air.
Speed: 10 | HD: 18 | Health: 73-122 | AC/EV: 15/6 | Damage: 25(cold:18-53), 25(cold:18-53) | Flags: demonic, evil, see invisible, fly, !sil | Resistances: magic(288), cold+++, poison | Vulnerabilities: fire
XP: 2604 | Spells: b.cold (3d27), torment symbol, demon.

If I'm reading this right, it could one-shot you with both its melee attack and the bolt of cold. I would suggest reading a teleport scroll, trying to move away from the demon, and hoping that the teleport activates before you die.

[Leafsnail]

Yeah, basically.  I'm kindof hoping it will activate torment next turn since that won't actually kill me.

Why does this have to be like my only game ever with no blinking scrolls?  Argh.

EDIT: Well, I blocked its attack while reading a teleportation scroll, than ran away and teleported without receiving any damage at all.  Huh.  On the other hand, L:5 and below are pretty much cut off now.

EDIT2: Ok, orcs do sometimes seem to kill each other with no provocation.  An Orc Wizard just shot another Orc Wizard in the back with magic dart.  I mean... it was between me and the caster, but magic dart never misses.  Of course, it could be a super clever "We obviously can't kill him, so let's try and take away some of his xp", but...

[ChairmanPoo]

Magic darts dont miss as long as there's an unblocked LOS to the target. It's not a smite-like attack, and monsters inbetween will stop them.


Been playing ToME instead of Crawl lately, as the latest changes (Felids??!?! WTF?) frustrate me.

[Mr.Person]

Personally I would of hasted and ran for the stairs.