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[Medicine Man]

What? Right now? And you're even posting? How does that work? Doggystyle with laptop on her back?

This is the exact reason why we need a laughing smiley

For now XD.

[Akigagak]

What? Right now? And you're even posting? How does that work? Doggystyle with laptop on her back?

 

But seriously, I hate that bitch. She's killed over a quarter my characters ever.

[Frumple]

And she's got see invisibility now

They turned her into a spriggan.

Also re: Summons -- you get half XP when your minions kill something. That, and the lack of a 'kill everything in that direction' command, is their big downside. And the occasional hostile from some ignorable spells.

[Akigagak]

Actually, if you can get a clear shot, you can use a bow to direct your minions. Or, at least, it seems to work for me.

[Puck]

I'm not a fan of summoners, but I don't know how to play them either.

What about hydras, for instance, like already mentioned above... I mean, all you need is to be careless for a second, and you got your summons helpin the hydra makin new heads.

OH JOY!

edit: and I wouldnt be surprised if there were tons of other enemies who can give you similar woes.

[Frumple]

Nah, not really. There's only a few summons that can give hydras heads (Actually, I'm not sure which can... scorpions? Imps that spawn with weapons?) and they're pretty easy to take down if you just use ice beasts and spammels. I've killed 'em with Imp spam before, so I dunno what was causing it for you. About the only thing you've really got to worry about is smite, beam attacks, and counter summoning -- the first two can be dealt with by summoning up a swarm before turning the corner, giving the attack order, then ducking back out of sight, and the last can be negated by going up stairs for a search cycle or two.

And to Akigagak, yeah, they attack what you attack, if they can see it. The attack target command (t-a) works if you don't want to (or have ammo to spare) shoot things. The wait command (t-w) also sets everything in sight to 'wander', which can be useful for getting them to go around blind corners... or murder a significant portion of the level, if you just brewed up a 4+ casting haunt swarm or something.

What I really want, though, is just a 'go here, kill everything in the way' command, so I can just tell my minions to go around the corner instead of having to induce a summons diaspora every time I need something to arrow-catch for me.

[Lord Snow]

forget what i said. miscast summon ugly thing, got abyss'd, died in short order to like 20 demons.
Couldn't run, no haste, couldn't find a corner either.
I didn't really have a choice though; throw flame was my highest conjuration in 5 books i'd found 

[Mandaril]

I'm not a fan of summoners, but I don't know how to play them either.

What about hydras, for instance, like already mentioned above... I mean, all you need is to be careless for a second, and you got your summons helpin the hydra makin new heads.

OH JOY!

edit: and I wouldnt be surprised if there were tons of other enemies who can give you similar woes.

I've got to lair several times now (and Hydras lurk there), and each time I've had a truckload of wands with me. When I meet a hydra, I don't usually have the summons to take it down (with summons alone), but wand spam on a hydra will do the trick. Better wands will kill a (several head) hydra in 2-3 shots, and even lesser ones work nicely.

I usually have enough wands and recharge scrolls for taking down each nasty "summons can't handle" monster.

[Puck]

I know, but wont summons block your line of fire or summat from time to time?

[Mandaril]

I know, but wont summons block your line of fire or summat from time to time?

Mm yeah, but that's why I usually keep my distance and blink/summon more when the creature gets closer. There's usually time to make several wand shots, as long as the creature is alone.

Yeah, and my highest char is lvl 12 (summoner), so don't take my word TOO seriously

[Frumple]

Oh yes. What's the real issue, though, is that in most cases, when you've got a clear shot, there's nothing stopping the hydra from moving in your direction. You can sometimes manage a shot by aiming somewhere besides the hydra, though.

If you've got butterflies (preferably) or demonic horde, though, it's mostly a non-issue. Wand a few times, fire off the spell, get some space while the hydra's murdering the chaff, repeat.

[RandomNumberGenerator]

I've got to lair several times now (and Hydras lurk there), and each time I've had a truckload of wands with me.

How do you carry them all? Wands weigh a ton... well, 10 stones, but that's still a lot(more than a shortsword...) Of course, it might just be my low strength that makes inventory limits difficult.

Anyway, I found another portal in the dungeon on D:12 that was called a "flagged portal". I entered it and found myself surrounded by orcs, which thankfully were isolated by a moat of water. After going through all of my healing potions and a large chunk of enchanted ammunition, I managed to kill all of them. I eagerly went to collect the loot and found... crap. Well, I guess the reaching halberds and bardiches are kind of nice, but I can't use them since I'm a spriggian, and I can't sell them due to the nature of crawl. Aside from that, I got a scroll of random uselessness, a potion of slowing, and a deck of plain cards, which is perhaps the only moderately interesting item here.

Is this all there really is to this side branch, or am I missing a hidden door somewhere? Rather disappointing if this is really it, especially considering how tough the monsters were... Unless this is the RNG's way of getting back at me for the scumming, in which case I guess we're even.

[DJ]

That branch spawns enemies with returning throwing weapons rather than reaching melee weapons half the time, so it can be very nice if you're into throwing axes.

[Mandaril]

I've got to lair several times now (and Hydras lurk there), and each time I've had a truckload of wands with me.

How do you carry them all? Wands weigh a ton... well, 10 stones, but that's still a lot(more than a shortsword...) Of course, it might just be my low strength that makes inventory limits difficult.

With strength of 5, I carried 9 wands in my last game. I managed to avoid bad effects of too much items. I pretty much ditched all rings, amulets, potions and scrolls that I was sure I didn't need.

My best char thus far, killed 4 of those hydras, 2 by myself 2 by summons:

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.7.1-1-g7ce9b19 character file.

17212 Moonshine the Convoker (level 12, -2/53 HPs)
             Began as a Deep Elf Summoner on Sept 12, 2010.
             Was the Champion of Sif Muna.
             Slain by an orc warrior
             ... wielding a +0,+1 orcish trident
              (7 damage)
             ... on Level 2 of the Orcish Mines.
             The game lasted 02:00:57 (26578 turns).

Moonshine the Convoker (Deep Elf Summoner)                         Turns: 26578, Time: 02:00:57

HP  -2/53        AC 10     Str  5      Exp: 12/22034 (2), need: 18565
MP   7/32        EV 17     Int 26      God: Sif Muna [******]
Gold 1789        SH  0     Dex 15      Spells:  6 memorised, 15 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : +   q - +2 rod of smiting (9/9)
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : .   w - +3 orc robe
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .   (no shield)
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : .   (no helmet)
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   L - +2 cloak
Spirit.Shd: .       Stasis     : .   B - +0 pair of gloves
Sust.Abil.: . .     Rnd.Telep. : .   e - +0 pair of boots
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   k - amulet of faith
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .   t - ring of see invisible
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: .   n - +2 ring of evasion

@: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, quite stealthy
A: no striking features
a: Channel Energy, Forget Spell, Renounce Religion


You were on level 2 of the Orcish Mines.
You worshipped Sif Muna.
Sif Muna was exalted by your worship.
You were near starving.

You visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and saw 23 of its levels.

You collected 1769 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 i - a +2,+2 sabre
Armour
 e - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
 w - a +3 orcish robe (worn)
 B - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
 L - a +2 cloak (worn)
Magical devices
 a - a wand of lightning (2)
 l - a wand of fire (1)
 m - a wand of disintegration (6)
 o - a wand of fire (2)
 r - a wand of flame (4)
 u - a wand of enslavement (7)
 v - a wand of paralysis (6)
 z - a wand of teleportation (6)
 H - a wand of frost (17)
Comestibles
 c - 3 bread rations
Scrolls
 d - a scroll of magic mapping
 h - 3 scrolls of detect curse
 j - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 p - 5 scrolls of remove curse
 A - 4 scrolls of blinking
 E - 2 scrolls of recharging
Jewellery
 g - an uncursed amulet of conservation
 k - an amulet of faith (around neck)
 n - a +2 ring of evasion (left hand)
 t - a ring of see invisible (right hand)
Potions
 f - a potion of healing
 G - a potion of restore abilities
Books
 b - a book of Callings   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Summon Small Mammals              Summoning                    1
   Sticks to Snakes                   Transmutation/Summoning      2
   Call Imp                           Summoning                    2
   *Call Canine Familiar              Summoning                    3
   Summon Scorpions                   Summoning/Poison             4
   Summon Ice Beast                   Ice/Summoning                5
   
 s - Sif Muna's Collected Works on Summoning {god gift}
   (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Summon Butterflies                 Summoning                    1
   *Abjuration                        Summoning                    3
   Summon Elemental                   Summoning                    4
   *Shadow Creatures                  Summoning                    5
   Summon Greater Demon               Summoning                    7
   
Magical staves
 q - a +2 rod of smiting (9/9) (in hand)
   (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)


 You had 2 experience left.

   Skills:
 + Level 5 Dodging
 + Level 5 Stealth
 + Level 1 Traps & Doors
 + Level 11 Spellcasting
 + Level 4 Enchantments
 + Level 15 Summonings
 + Level 1 Air Magic
 + Level 2 Evocations


You had 15 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power          Success   Level
a - Summon Small Mammals  Summ           #####          Perfect     1
b - See Invisible         Ench           #####.....     Great       4
c - Call Canine Familiar  Summ           #######...     Excellent   3
d - Abjuration            Summ           #######...     Excellent   3
e - Levitation            Air/Ench       #####.....     Excellent   2
f - Shadow Creatures      Summ           N/A            Excellent   5


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (11/27)            Temple (1/1) D:5             Orc (4/4) D:9
    Elf (0/7) Orc:3          Lair (7/8) D:11          Swamp (0/5) Lair:2
  Slime (0/6) Lair:6        Snake (0/5) Lair:4         Hive (0/2) D:11

Altars:
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
The Shining One
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
Jiyva

Shops:
D:4: +

Message History

The orc wizard hits your jackal but does no damage.
Your jackal bites the troll but does no damage.
The troll bites you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The troll misses you.
The orc warrior hits you with an orcish trident!
You die...

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You could see a troll, an orc warrior, an orc wizard, an orc priest, an orc, a friendly war dog, a friendly hound and friendly 2 jackals.

Vanquished Creatures
  2 hydras
  An iron troll (Orc:3)
  A black mamba (Lair:7)
  A centaur (D:10)
  A snake (D:4)
  A giant cockroach (D:5)
  A grey rat (Lair:4)
  A jackal (D:6)
  3 orcs
  A giant bat (D:1)
  A kobold (D:3)
  2 rats (D:2)
  4 butterflies (D:6)
  A fungus (Lair:6)
  A plant (Lair:4)
  7 toadstools
29 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  Jozef (Lair:1)
  Erica (Lair:1)
  Harold (Lair:1)
  2 hydras
  An orc high priest (Orc:4)
  A griffon (Lair:7)
  An iron troll (Orc:3)
  The ghost of Moonshine the Summoner, an experienced DESu of Sif Muna (Lair:1)
  The ghost of Mandrill the Conjurer, an experienced DEWz of Sif Muna (D:10)
  An elephant slug (Lair:7)
  4 spiny frogs
  Maurice (Orc:3)
  2 black mambas
  3 blink frogs
  3 komodo dragons
  4 bumblebees (Lair:7)
  2 trolls
  10 giant toads
  10 yaks
  3 hippogriffs
  A fire drake (Lair:5)
  2 ice beasts
  3 giant goldfish zombies (D:
  10 orc warriors
  2 centaurs
  7 crocodiles
  10 ogres
  3 gila monsters
  A yellow wasp (D:
  A giant goldfish (D:11)
  A warg (Orc:3)
  Sigmund (D:7)
  7 giant slugs
  11 giant frogs
  6 giant snails
  5 water moccasins
  A boulder beetle (Lair:5)
  3 wights
  3 electric eels
  A killer bee zombie (D:11)
  4 imps
  A jellyfish (Lair:2)
  A quasit (D:
  8 hounds
  6 orc priests
  A deep elf soldier (Orc:3)
  3 scorpions
  9 iguanas
  24 orc wizards
  7 giant ants
  8 jellies
  2 mummies
  6 gnolls (D:5)
  20 green rats
  14 snakes
  A giant centipede (Lair:2)
  A giant mite (Lair:5)
  5 worms
  50 grey rats
  A giant eyeball (D:6)
  A giant mite zombie (D:5)
  2 oozes
  5 giant cockroaches
  16 hobgoblins
  9 kobolds
  96 orcs
  13 quokkas
  24 giant bats
  14 giant geckos
  10 giant newts
  18 goblins
  A hobgoblin skeleton (D:4)
  36 jackals
  2 orc skeletons
  An orc zombie (D:9)
  19 rats
  A rat skeleton (D:5)
  3 small snakes
  A ballistomycete (D:7)
  21 fungi
  6 plants
  7 toadstools
610 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A spiny frog (Lair:7)
  4 wargs
  53 war dogs
  2 gila monsters (Lair:7)
  A crocodile (Lair:7)
  22 wolves
  95 hounds
  An orc wizard (Orc:3)
  A shadow imp (D:5)
  23 grey rats
  14 giant bats
  A goblin (Orc:3)
  155 jackals
  8 orcs (Orc:3)
  16 quokkas
  3 giant spores
  33 rats
  A rat skeleton (D:4)
  6 fungi
  8 plants
  86 toadstools
534 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 1173 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place   | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1     | Moonshine, the Deep Elf Summoner, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1     | Reached XP level 1. HP: 8/8 MP: 4/4
   276 | D:1     | Reached skill 5 in Summonings
  1002 | D:1     | Reached XP level 2. HP: 12/12 MP: 5/7
  1264 | D:2     | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp
  1657 | D:2     | Reached XP level 3. HP: 16/16 MP: 2/9
  3196 | D:3     | Learned a level 3 spell: Call Canine Familiar
  3212 | D:4     | Reached XP level 4. HP: 12/20 MP: 1/12
  3517 | D:4     | Reached skill 6 in Summonings
  3736 | D:4     | Reached XP level 5. HP: 25/25 MP: 8/15
  3770 | D:4     | Found Twuaqec's Book Boutique.
  3935 | D:4     | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  3981 | D:5     | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4061 | D:5     | Reached skill 7 in Summonings
  4199 | D:5     | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  4226 | Temple  | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  4292 | Temple  | Became a worshipper of Sif Muna the Loreminder
  4807 | D:5     | Reached skill 8 in Summonings
  5262 | D:5     | Reached XP level 6. HP: 14/28 MP: 10/19
  5527 | D:5     | Learned a level 4 spell: Selective Amnesia
  5544 | D:5     | Acquired Sif Muna's first power
  5783 | D:5     | Reached skill 1 in Enchantments
  5935 | D:5     | Learned a level 2 spell: Levitation
  6034 | D:5     | Reached skill 5 in Spellcasting
  7026 | D:7     | Noticed Sigmund
  7027 | D:7     | Reached skill 9 in Summonings
  7034 | D:7     | Defeated Sigmund
  7170 | D:7     | Reached XP level 7. HP: 33/33 MP: 2/21
  7526 | D:7     | Acquired Sif Muna's second power
  7544 | D:7     | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  7974 | D:8     | Reached XP level 8. HP: 37/37 MP: 6/24
  8105 | D:8     | Reached skill 10 in Summonings
  8856 | D:8     | Reached skill 11 in Summonings
  8899 | D:8     | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  9423 | D:9     | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  9878 | D:9     | Learned a level 4 spell: See Invisible
  9964 | D:9     | Noticed a dragon
 10209 | D:9     | Reached skill 1 in Traps & Doors
 10383 | D:9     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 10396 | D:9     | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
 10942 | D:10    | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 10971 | D:10    | Noticed Mandrill's ghost
 10974 | D:10    | Defeated Mandrill's ghost
 10974 | D:10    | Reached XP level 9. HP: 41/41 MP: 20/26
 10978 | D:10    | Found a flagged portal.
 11047 | D:10    | Reached skill 5 in Dodging
 11050 | D:10    | Reached skill 12 in Summonings
 11210 | D:10    | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 11395 | D:10    | HP: 2/41 [centaur/arrow of frost (12)]
 12053 | D:11    | HP: 2/41 [electric eel/bolt of electricity (15)]
 13215 | D:11    | Found a staircase to the Hive.
 13271 | D:11    | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 13817 | Lair:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 14104 | Lair:1  | Noticed Harold
 14131 | Lair:1  | Defeated Harold
 14285 | Lair:1  | Noticed Jozef
 14290 | Lair:1  | Reached skill 13 in Summonings
 14301 | Lair:1  | Defeated Jozef
 14301 | Lair:1  | Reached XP level 10. HP: 45/45 MP: 5/28
 14410 | Lair:1  | Acquired Sif Muna's third power
 14591 | Lair:1  | Noticed Erica
 14601 | Lair:1  | Defeated Erica
 14607 | Lair:1  | Noticed Moonshine's ghost
 14615 | Lair:1  | Defeated Moonshine's ghost
 15384 | Lair:2  | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 16062 | Lair:2  | Reached skill 14 in Summonings
 16276 | Lair:3  | Reached skill 1 in Air Magic
 17884 | Lair:4  | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 18478 | Lair:4  | Reached XP level 11. HP: 50/50 MP: 10/30
 18802 | Lair:5  | Reached skill 1 in Evocations
 18998 | Lair:5  | Reached skill 5 in Stealth
 20526 | Lair:6  | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
 20526 | Lair:6  | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 20802 | Lair:6  | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
 21086 | Lair:6  | Reached skill 15 in Summonings
 21086 | Lair:6  | Reached skill 10 in Spellcasting
 21795 | Lair:7  | Received a gift from Sif Muna
 21796 | Lair:7  | Got a graven book {god gift}
 21937 | Lair:7  | Identified Sif Muna's Collected Works on Summoning {god gift} (Sif Muna gifted it to you on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)
 21941 | Lair:7  | Learned a level 3 spell: Abjuration
 21955 | Lair:7  | Learned a level 5 spell: Shadow Creatures
 22067 | Lair:7  | Noticed a bumblebee
 22070 | Lair:7  | Noticed a bumblebee
 22072 | Lair:7  | Noticed a bumblebee
 22073 | Lair:7  | Noticed a bumblebee
 22082 | Lair:7  | Defeated a bumblebee
 22391 | Lair:7  | Defeated a bumblebee
 22492 | Lair:7  | Defeated a bumblebee
 22606 | Lair:7  | Defeated a bumblebee
 22862 | Lair:7  | Found a crumbling entrance.
 23017 | Lair:7  | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 23019 | Lair:7  | Got a colourful book
 23020 | Lair:7  | Identified Wucviczu's Incunabulum of Infatuation (You acquired it on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)
 23851 | Orc:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 24494 | Orc:3   | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 24509 | Orc:3   | Noticed an iron troll
 24536 | Orc:2   | Noticed Maurice
 24908 | Orc:3   | Defeated an iron troll
 25040 | Orc:3   | Noticed an iron troll
 25060 | Orc:3   | Defeated an iron troll
 25348 | Orc:4   | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
 25832 | Orc:4   | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
 26109 | Orc:4   | Noticed an orc high priest
 26119 | Orc:4   | Defeated an orc high priest
 26119 | Orc:4   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 53/53 MP: 4/32
 26486 | Orc:3   | Defeated Maurice
 26578 | Orc:2   | Slain by an orc warrior

[Mr.Person]

There's supposed to be only "good" items spawned in that bailey and on average 6 items. Looks like you got screwed on quantity and quality.