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[RandomNumberGenerator]

Weird. I mean, I know it's random, since I've discovered it in over 5 games and it has been different each time, but usually there is 1 altar to each god, sans the demonic ones. In this one, there are a few altars to chaotic gods and a whole ton to the primary demon god, which just seems... weird.

[Frumple]

Direct link to the temple's map files, via git

The source files fer non-random stuff can be pretty useful, heh.

[Mr.Person]

Robe of the Archmagi reduces the XP you receive by a large amount, so only use it after you're level 27.

I think the Autoexplore is making you guys starve. Like Dr. Feelgood, I very rarely have food problems unless I'm playing a troll, or berserking all the time. Or using Mahkleb's powers a lot.

Rules for food:
1) Butcher every corpse, and always have a chunk of meat on you if you can.
2) Never eat your permanent food unless you have to. If you're hungry or very hungry, keep looking for something edible to kill, and eat that instead.
3) Don't use autoexplore all the time.

Follow those rules and you should rarely have food problems. Unless you're doing things that hunger you.

It's not autoexplore. I autoexplore all the time and rarely have food problems. It's probably just that you guys are resting too much. You don't need to rest after every fight, especially on the early dungeon levels. If you're hurt when you find something dangerous, pillar dance back to full health. More often than not, you'll be fully healed by the time you find another enemy anyways. Exceptions include small levels, wide open levels, D:10 and later for as long as centaurs/yaktaurs/yaktaur captains can easily shoot you to death, and all of Zot.

[Taxus]

My latest victory, and my first victory going for any of the bonus runes at all:

     6663159 FreeHugs the Minotaur Barricade (level 27, 278/278 (286) HPs)
             Began as a Minotaur Fighter on Sept 7, 2010.
             Was a High Priest of The Shining One.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 13 runes (of 13 types) on Sept 10, 2010!

             The game lasted 1day21:08:04 (204665 turns).

http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/FreeHugs/morgue-FreeHugs-20100910-225549.txt

[Frumple]

It's not autoexplore. I autoexplore all the time and rarely have food problems. It's probably just that you guys are resting too much. You don't need to rest after every fight, especially on the early dungeon levels. If you're hurt when you find something dangerous, pillar dance back to full health. More often than not, you'll be fully healed by the time you find another enemy anyways.

I'd imagine this is probably the biggest thing. I, personally, do not, ever, move at less than full health. Every single time I've done so, without fail, something has came around the corner and one-shot me. Every. Single. Time. Zero variance. Always.

The only thing even approaching an exception is access to regen, or being spriggan/centaur/having speed boots. Pillar dancing's never worked for me with a normal-speed character against normal-speed monsters. Anything that's slow and sans-ranged option is rarely an actual threat... and half the time, the real threat comes from something quicker wandering in while your dancing it to death

[Robsoie]

I don't really understand how it is possible to continue exploring with less than 80% of life unless you're hungry and out of any food.
Every single time i did not spend turns to heal, and went with less than 80% of life into the wilderness, it always ended very badly.

And what is the difference between resting and pillar dancing in a middle of a fight (something i was doing in 0.6 and 0.5.2, but prefer not to in 0.7 with the "random action" that can allow a monster to hit and move in the same turn) to heal ?
In both case you spent lots of turns until you heal enough, so the same amount of nutrition has been spent.

Chunks are good certainly, until you're actually hungy and notice that very convenientely the pack of chunks has turned rotten after only few minutes, forcing you to eat those sometime rare perma food you wanted to spare for more difficult time.
The moment i put my hand into an amulet of the gourmand the game totally change, the enemy become the monsters and not anymore the hunger.
Like it should always be.

[Taxus]

I almost always fully rest when I'm injured, and I don't have hunger problems. Maybe if you rest all the time and auto explore you have hunger problems?

Do you eat as soon as you're hungry? Try waiting until you are nearly starving before you waste some perma-food. And do everything you can to avoid using skills/spells that hunger you.

[ChairmanPoo]

DAMNIT


 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.8.0-a0-710-gd28757c character file.

3728 Gilgamesh the Cloud Mage (level 9, -8/56 HPs)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

             Began as a Vampire Air Elementalist on Sept 10, 2010.
             Was a Follower of Nemelex Xobeh.
             Killed from afar by a Green Death (32 damage)
             ... with a poison arrow
             
             ... in The Abyss on Sept 11, 2010.
             (REDACTED)'s game lasted 00:38:32 (8679 turns).

Gilgamesh the Cloud Mage (Vampire Air Elementalist)                 Turns: 8679, Time: 00:38:34

HP  -8/56        AC 10     Str 10      Exp: 9/4759 (1647), need: 1105
MP  20/20        EV 12     Int 17      God: Nemelex Xobeh [*.....]
Gold 397         SH  0     Dex 14      Spells:  4 memorised, 10 levels left

Res.Fire  : + . .   See Invis. : +   k - +4,+2 dwarf short sword (elec)
Res.Cold  : + . .   Warding    : .   p - +2 leather armour {rF+}
Life Prot.: + + .   Conserve   : .   (no shield)
Res.Poison: +       Res.Corr.  : +   v - +0 orc winged helmet
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   r - +0 cloak
Spirit.Shd: .       Stasis     : .   (no gloves)
Sust.Abil.: . .     Rnd.Telep. : .   (no boots)
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   n - amulet of resist corrosion
Res.Rott. : +       Levitation : +   (no ring)
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: .   C - +3 ring of protection

@: liquid flames, regenerating slowly, levitating (expires), somewhat resistant to hostile
enchantments, quite stealthy
A: fangs 3, see invisible
a: Bat Form, Bottle Blood, Draw One, Renounce Religion


You were in the Abyss.
You worshipped Nemelex Xobeh.
Nemelex Xobeh was pleased with you.
You were thirsty.

You visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and saw 10 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 1 time.

You collected 377 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 k - a +4,+2 dwarven short sword of electrocution (weapon)
 q - a +1,+2 spear of reaching (quivered)
 u - a +2,+1 sling
 z - a +0,+0 dagger of distortion
Missiles
 d - 18 +0 stones
 e - 3 curare-tipped +0 needles
 g - 50 poisoned +0 needles
Armour
 p - a +2 leather armour of fire resistance (worn)
 r - a +0 cloak (worn)
 v - a +0 orcish winged helmet (worn)
Magical devices
 h - a wand of enslavement (7)
 t - a wand of random effects (12)
Scrolls
 c - 2 scrolls of detect curse
 m - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 y - a scroll of remove curse
Jewellery
 n - an amulet of resist corrosion (around neck)
 C - a +3 ring of protection (left hand)
Potions
 f - 2 potions of levitation {unknown}
 i - 2 potions of healing
 j - a potion of agility
 l - a potion of invisibility {unknown}
 o - a potion of slowing {unknown}
 s - 3 potions of heal wounds
 w - 8 potions of blood
 x - a potion of restore abilities
 B - a potion of speed {unknown}
Books
 b - a book of Air   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Shock                             Conjuration/Air              1
   *Swiftness                         Enchantment/Air              2
   Repel Missiles                     Enchantment/Air              2
   *Levitation                        Enchantment/Air              2
   *Mephitic Cloud                    Conjuration/Poison/Air       3
   Static Discharge                   Conjuration/Air              4
   
Miscellaneous
 a - a legendary deck of summonings {drawn: 1} {god gift}


 You had 1647 experience left.

   Skills:
 + Level 2 Fighting
 - Level 4 Short Blades
 - Level 1 Armour
 - Level 3 Dodging
 + Level 4 Stealth
 - Level 1 Stabbing
 + Level 1 Unarmed Combat
 + Level 5 Spellcasting
 - Level 2 Conjurations
 + Level 2 Enchantments
 + Level 9 Air Magic
 - Level 1 Poison Magic


You had 10 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Success   Level  Hunger
a - Shock                 Air/Conj       ####.        Excellent   1    None
b - Mephitic Cloud        Pois/Air/Conj  ####......   Very Good   3    Choko
c - Swiftness             Air/Ench       ####......   Excellent   2    Sultana
d - Levitation            Air/Ench       ####......   Excellent   2    Sultana


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (11/27)           
Temple: D:4-7          Orc: D:6-11        Lair: D:8-13        Hive: D:11-16
Forest: D:3-6       

Altars:
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Nemelex Xobeh
The Shining One
Trog
Xom
Zin

Shops:
D:8: %

Portals:
Ziggurat: D:5 (4570 gp)


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You heal slowly.
You can bottle blood from corpses.
You have razor-sharp teeth.
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.




Right-click to toggle between mutations and properties depending on your
hunger status.


Message History

You are covered in liquid flames!
Your scroll of fog catches fire! The hell hog misses you.
The Green Death gestures at you.
The poison arrow hits you! You partially resist.
Ouch! That really hurt!
You die...
Your body disappears without additional glow.

  ~
  ..
  .
##~
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###1
~..#
.5##
#@##
##h~.~~.~.
  .###.~#
  .#    .
  .~
  ~#
  ~~
  #.


You could see a Green Death, a hell hog and a lemure.

Vanquished Creatures
  Harold (D:10)
  A hill giant (D:10)
  Psyche (D:10)
  A two-headed ogre (D:9)
  A yellow wasp (D:
  A centaur (D:10)
  An ogre (D:11)
  A giant frog (D:
  A giant beetle (D:7)
  A big kobold skeleton (D:10)
  4 hounds
  A shadow (D:9)
  4 imps
  2 orc wizards
  2 iguanas
  2 orc priests
  A hound skeleton (D:
  2 giant ants
  4 jellies (D:
  5 snakes
  3 gnolls (D:
  2 giant mites
  A worm (D:2)
  2 giant geckos
  7 oozes (D:
  6 giant cockroaches
  15 goblins
  12 hobgoblins
  A jackal (D:
  12 orcs
  2 quokkas
  9 giant bats
  4 giant newts
  14 kobolds
  22 rats
  A rat skeleton (D:9)
  A small snake (D:1)
151 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  2 giant toads (D:10)
  A wyvern (D:10)
  A hound zombie (D:10)
  A giant ant (D:10)
  A scorpion (D:10)
  An orc wizard (D:
  3 jellies (D:
  7 oozes (D:
  A kobold (D:10)
  2 orcs (D:
  A quokka (D:7)
21 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  6 fungi (D:
  3 toadstools
9 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 181 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place   | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1     | Gilgamesh, the Vampire Air Elementalist, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1     | Reached XP level 1. HP: 9/9 MP: 4/4
   116 | D:1     | Reached skill 1 in Conjurations
   231 | D:1     | Reached XP level 2. HP: 12/14 MP: 5/5
   888 | D:1     | Reached skill 4 in Air Magic
  1095 | D:1     | Reached XP level 3. HP: 20/20 MP: 3/6
  2079 | D:3     | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud
  2492 | D:3     | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  2722 | D:3     | Reached XP level 4. HP: 25/25 MP: 7/8
  3092 | D:4     | Noticed Menkaure
  3169 | D:5     | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3338 | D:5     | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  3352 | D:5     | Reached skill 1 in Short Blades
  3400 | D:5     | Became a worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh
  3531 | D:5     | Found a gateway to a ziggurat.
  3613 | D:5     | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  3622 | D:5     | Reached skill 5 in Air Magic
  3753 | D:5     | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
  3792 | D:5     | Reached XP level 5. HP: 17/31 MP: 5/10
  3813 | D:5     | HP: 1/31 [kobold/runed short sword (4)]
  3821 | D:5     | You fall through a shaft!
  3821 | D:7     | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  4378 | D:8     | Reached XP level 6. HP: 29/36 MP: 11/12
  4408 | D:8     | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  4481 | D:8     | Found Gaig's Food Boutique.
  4581 | D:8     | Noticed a giant amoeba
  4584 | D:8     | Reached skill 6 in Air Magic
  4655 | D:8     | Reached XP level 7. HP: 28/42 MP: 2/13
  4850 | D:8     | Noticed a boring beetle
  4893 | D:8     | Reached skill 1 in Stabbing
  4901 | D:8     | Reached skill 1 in Poison Magic
  5379 | D:8     | Reached skill 7 in Air Magic
  5477 | D:8     | Learned a level 2 spell: Swiftness
  5554 | D:8     | Learned a level 2 spell: Levitation
  5582 | D:8     | Reached skill 1 in Fighting
  5640 | D:8     | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  5832 | D:8     | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  6149 | D:9     | Reached skill 1 in Armour
  6179 | D:9     | Reached XP level 8. HP: 40/48 MP: 12/18
  6292 | D:10    | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  6619 | D:10    | Acquired Nemelex Xobeh's first power
  6629 | D:10    | Reached skill 8 in Air Magic
  6856 | D:10    | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh
  7098 | D:10    | Noticed Psyche
  7117 | D:10    | Defeated Psyche
  7839 | D:10    | Noticed Harold
  7846 | D:10    | Reached XP level 9. HP: 56/56 MP: 14/19
  7876 | D:10    | Defeated Harold
  8226 | D:11    | You are cast into the Abyss!
  8226 | D:11    | Cast into the Abyss (distortion unwield)
  8226 | Abyss   | Entered The Abyss
  8250 | Abyss   | Reached skill 1 in Enchantments
  8378 | Abyss   | Reached skill 9 in Air Magic
  8408 | Abyss   | Reached skill 5 in Spellcasting
  8547 | Abyss   | Noticed a Pit Fiend
  8679 | Abyss   | Killed from afar by a Green Death

So the moral of the story is that distortion daggers have a too damn high chance of abyssicification, and should not be used

[inaluct]

Oh, crawl~~



It seems like it does this on purpose. Some sort of fruit conspiracy.

[Mr.Person]

If you learn how long it takes to actually starve once you hit starving, you actually have quite awhile from the time you hit hungry to the time you hit starving.

I don't really understand how it is possible to continue exploring with less than 80% of life unless you're hungry and out of any food.
Every single time i did not spend turns to heal, and went with less than 80% of life into the wilderness, it always ended very badly.

And what is the difference between resting and pillar dancing in a middle of a fight (something i was doing in 0.6 and 0.5.2, but prefer not to in 0.7 with the "random action" that can allow a monster to hit and move in the same turn) to heal ?
In both case you spent lots of turns until you heal enough, so the same amount of nutrition has been spent.

Chunks are good certainly, until you're actually hungy and notice that very convenientely the pack of chunks has turned rotten after only few minutes, forcing you to eat those sometime rare perma food you wanted to spare for more difficult time.
The moment i put my hand into an amulet of the gourmand the game totally change, the enemy become the monsters and not anymore the hunger.
Like it should always be.

That means you pillar dance poorly. Don't worry, I pillar dance poorly as well. A big loop helps a ton, doubly so if it lets you stay a whole screen away from your foe.

If you heal up while exploring, you didn't waste a bunch of turns sitting around waiting to heal. Suppose it takes 100 turns for you to heal up and 100 turns of exploring to find another monster, but 1/10th of the time it only takes 10 turns to find a monster. If you wait to heal every time, it takes 200 or occasionally 110 turns to fight another monster. If you autoexplore to heal, it takes 100 or occasionally 110 turns to fight another monster. 9/10ths of the time, you've saved yourself 100 turns. If you do this 10 times, you've saved 900 turns by autoexploring to heal.

Granted, it doesn't take that long to heal up or to find a monster in real life, but you get the idea. You save turns every time you heal to full while exploring.

[DJ]

So the moral of the story is that distortion daggers have a too damn high chance of abyssicification, and should not be used

I refuse to believe that you can get anything but abyssification. I've never seen any other effect on unwielding, and I've unwielded 30-40 distortion weapons in my crawl career.

[Medicine Man]

I always get "Space bends horribly around you! you die!"

[Frumple]

It's kinda' funny -- every time I've unwielded one of those thing so far, either nothing happened or I got the lower-tier damage miscast. Of course, I never intentionally wield 'em, which might help. And, uh, I've probably unwielded less than five. Heh.

Oh... and of interest to distortion weapons:

Don't prompt for unwielding with Warp Weapon

AHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[Mandaril]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

5960 Samanthica the Summoner (level 10, -5/45 HPs)
             Began as a Deep Elf Summoner on Sept 11, 2010.
             Was a Believer of Vehumet.
             Slain by an eight-headed hydra (13 damage)
             ... on Level 3 of the Lair of Beasts.
             The game lasted 01:07:55 (17506 turns).

I think I just found my all-time favourite style of play: a summoner. It fits my philosophies and is very fun and includes tactics I very much like.

That's my first summoner I've tried, and I died thanks to....a stupid mistake (x3) :-) My inventory was full (can't pick up more items) due to amount, not weight. "Too many items". Well, I was tossing extra stuff, including some scrolls. Well, I was on lair level 3 (I dropped down a shaft by mistake so didn't know any routes up or down) and I thought no scroll could do me too much harm (I had several remove curse scrolls ready). Oh boy I was wrong... I read "Scroll of Noise" and about 10 monsters or so come running upon me, including a hydra. Mistake #1.

I summon creatures with all the magic I have left and start blasting things with wand of fireball. I thought I could take them all. Mistake #2.

Too late I realized that not only was my summoned creatures defeated, the hydra had grown 8 heads! Its heads bit me to death before I could use a teleportation wand on myself. I didn't teleport away early enough, mistake #3.

Anyway, fun, fun, fun.

[Taxus]

Yes! Summoners forever. I just got my third online victory with a DESu, so I can attest to their power. All you have to do is get good at staying out of the way.