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[Kagus]

Well, this is interesting.  Currently running an Ogre Transmuter, and he's doing...  Remarkably well.

I of course got quite lucky and managed to pick up a ring of wizardry rather early on, but still.  I think I may actually be on to something here.

Yes, Ogres have horrible aptitudes for all arcane and elemental schools of magic (160 in everything), but they've actually got very good aptitude for spellcasting in general.  This means that you don't really have to focus on anything, as all the paths are equally difficult for you.  It also means that you get to build up a few levels of Spellcasting early on, which means decent MP reserves and spell power, plus lowered hunger costs.

Speaking of hunger, the Ogre's fast metabolism may seem like a poor match for a spellcaster, and indeed it is.  However, Saprovore most certainly is a good match for caster types.  It balances out, to an extent, as it means you'll get hungrier around the times when you fight something.  This allows you to get around to eating the food before it rots away completely.

Furthermore, the high HP, strength and fighting aptitudes really help give your fledgling mage a little survivability.  Although they are best working with clubs, their unarmed aptitude isn't exactly terrible (110), and that's what a transmuter is going to be using predominantly. 


EDIT:  Although...  I think I see his death in the near future.  My first successful casting of Ice Form (it's still listed as "bad" success rate), and I think the form will run out just in time for me to encounter a kobold, a hobgoblin, and prince Ribbit on open ground.

[Medicine Man]

Goddamn it Prince Ribbit is tough...I have only ever killed him once and that was with an army of orcish followers.

[Mr.Person]

Prince Ribbit's not too bad. He's like Sigmund except he moves faster and blinks a lot. Minus the small detail that Prince Ribbit hits like a wimp, he's pretty tough.

[Medicine Man]

Prince Ribbit's not too bad. He's like Sigmund except he moves faster and blinks a lot. Minus the small detail that Prince Ribbit hits like a wimp, he's pretty tough.

He's not a wimp if your only level 3...

[Mr.Person]

Oh, well then you've just got to hope he blinks too much and stays away from you.

[DJ]

Prince Ribbit, just like Sigmund, is a joke if you're playing a wizard (hail MC, best spell in early game),

[Kagus]

Well, prince Ribbit is dead.  As is Menkaure.  And two ogres.  And an old ghost of mine who was wielding a staff of chaos.

I've also skyrocketed in levels.  As in, I gained five levels on this floor.  As an ogre. 


I'm now level eight, and I'm trying to decide whether or not I want to learn Blade Hands.  I've already got Ice Form, and I'm just now starting to get a near-acceptable success rate for it.  I don't have any other spell books at the moment, but I just took up Sif Muna so that should change in time.

I'm running a little low on potions for evaporating though, I should probably start focusing a bit more on that...  I've been instinctively butchering them as I come across them, and I don't need half the meat I'm getting.  I just need to pay more attention.

I *had* horns for a while, but after getting irradiated by several failed spellcastings I ended up losing them (along with my 20/20 vision).  Lucky me.  And, out of curiosity, I ended up chugging a random potion.  Decay.  Great.  Well, at least now I have something else I can shoot off.

Unfortunately, I don't have any healing potions.  Well, let's just see how far this goes, eh?


EDIT:  Four gnolls and a centaur, all in the same room.  A potion of decay well spent.


EDIT2:  Four centaurs, three ogres, a hippogriff, a kobold nest (all converted into potions) and an experience level later, I've decided to delve into the orcish mines.  Thanks to a restocked supply of confusion potions, I'm getting vast amounts of this:

"The orc hits the orc with the orcish mace"

Needless to say, I'm amused.  I'm waiting to see just how stupidly this character will die.

[quinnr]

HOLY SHIT
~kobold home~
Has anyone ever had this happen before?? O-o

Yes. It was the death of my 2nd best character.

I killed all of them but one big one, and had no Mana left. It killed me

[quinnr]

Dagger of Speed, with a Level 3 Deep Elf of Sif Muna (Flame Wizard)

Should I equip it? Or does it affect spellcasting and therefore should stay barehanded?

EDIT: Just got a +1 Orcish Armor of Magic Resistance
Hell yeah!

EDIT2: F*** YOU STUPID ORC WIZARD.
I killed all the Orcs, and finally found the Orc Wizard leader. I used MC, but had no MP. I ran, wentcame back. Once "Severely Wounded", it turned invisible. Then it confused me. I hate invisible things. Also, since when are Orc Wizs able to go invisible!

[Kagus]

Awww daaaaaamn....  Combination of stupidity and bad luck.  Figures.

I was stair-scumming the fourth level of the mines, and ended up coming down into a group of three orcs and an ogre.  The ogre thumped me a good one, but I still had half my health, so what was the problem?  I motioned to go back up the stairs and...

Ogre got a free hit on me, random orc pokes off the last two health points I had.  Dead before I even knew what was happening.

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.6.1 character file.

6046 Thoggok the Ducker (level 10, 0/73 (88) HPs)
             Began as an Ogre Transmuter on June 27, 2010.
             Was an Elder of Sif Muna.
             Slain by an orc
             ... wielding a -1,+0 orcish dagger
              (2 damage)
             ... on Level 4 of the Orcish Mines.
             The game lasted 01:12:00 (10948 turns).

Thoggok the Ducker (Ogre Transmuter)                           Turns: 10948, Time: 01:12:00

HP   0/73 (88)   AC  5     Str 16      Exp: 10/7296 (0), need: 1239
MP  21/21        EV 12     Int 15      God: Sif Muna [****..]
Gold 939         SH  0     Dex 11      Spells:  3 memorised, 14 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : .     - Unarmed
Res.Cold  : + + +   Warding    : .   y - melded +2 robe
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .   (shield currently unavailable)
Res.Poison: +       Res.Corr.  : .   (helmet currently unavailable)
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   (no cloak)
Spirit.Shd: .                        (gloves unavailable)
Sust.Abil.: .       Rnd.Telep. : .   (boots unavailable)
Res.Mut.  : +       Ctrl.Telep.: .   D - amulet of resist mutation
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .   p - ring of wizardry
Saprovore : + . .   Ctrl.Flight: .   r - ring of protection from fire

@: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
You are an ice creature.
A: unfitting armour, fast metabolism 1, blurry vision 1, -10% hp, saprovore 1, AC +1, Str
-1, Dex +1
a: End Transformation, Channel Energy, Forget Spell, Renounce Religion


You were on level 4 of the Orcish Mines.
You worshipped Sif Muna.
Sif Muna was greatly pleased with you.
You were not hungry.

You were a creature of crystalline ice.

You visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and saw 12 of its levels.

You collected 919 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 o - a +2,+1 dagger (quivered)
Missiles
 b - 12 +0 arrows
 t - 6 curare-tipped +0 needles
Armour
 y - a +2 robe (melded)
Magical devices
 g - a wand of flame (5)
 j - a wand of digging (14)
 s - a wand of slowing (0)
Comestibles
 a - 3 meat rations
 h - a banana
 v - a pear
 z - a choko
 E - a bread ration
 F - a royal jelly
 N - a chunk of orc flesh
Scrolls
 c - 3 scrolls of identify
 f - a scroll of noise
 i - a scroll of teleportation
 l - a scroll of detect curse
 n - a scroll of paper
 w - a scroll of curse armour
 x - a scroll of blinking
 A - 2 scrolls of enchant armour
 B - 4 scrolls of remove curse
 J - a scroll of recharging
Jewellery
 e - an uncursed amulet of resist corrosion
 p - a ring of wizardry (right hand)
 q - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 r - a ring of protection from fire (left hand)
 D - an amulet of resist mutation (around neck)
Potions
 k - 5 potions of poison
 m - 2 potions of water
 u - a potion of restore abilities
 C - 2 potions of speed
 G - 13 potions of confusion
 H - a potion of agility
 I - a potion of brilliance
 M - 2 potions of degeneration
Books
 d - a book of Changes   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Fulsome Distillation              Transmutation/Necromancy     1
   Sticks to Snakes                   Transmutation/Summoning      2
   *Evaporate                         Fire/Transmutation           2
   Spider Form                        Transmutation/Poison         3
   *Ice Form                          Ice/Transmutation            4
   Dig                                Transmutation/Earth          4
   Blade Hands                        Transmutation                5
   
Carrion
 K - an orc corpse
 L - the rotting orc corpse of Urug
 O - an orc corpse
 P - a hobgoblin corpse


 You had 0 experience left.

   Skills:
 + Level 6 Fighting
 + Level 1 Throwing
 + Level 7 Dodging
 - Level 1 Stealth
 + Level 7 Unarmed Combat
 + Level 6 Spellcasting
 - Level 1 Necromancy
 + Level 6 Transmutations
 - Level 2 Ice Magic


You had 14 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power          Success   Level
a - Fulsome Distillation  Trmt/Necr      N/A            Excellent   1
b - Evaporate             Fire/Trmt      ####......     Excellent   2
c - Ice Form              Ice/Trmt       ####......     Very Good   4


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (7/27)             Temple (1/1) D:4             Orc (4/4) D:7
   Elf: Orc:3-4     

Altars:
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
The Shining One
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Zin
Beogh

Portals:
Ziggurat: D:6 (2850 gp)


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

Your body does not fit into most forms of armour.
You have tough skin (AC +1).
You have a fast metabolism.
You can tolerate rotten meat.
Your muscles are flexible (Dex +1), but weak (Str -1).
Your vision is a little blurry.
You are frail (-10% HP).


Message History

There is a stone staircase leading up here.
You see here an orcish spear.
Magic restored. The ogre hits you with a giant club!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Helpless, you fail to dodge the orc's attack.
The orc hits you with an orcish dagger.
You die...

      .oo
   .........
  #..........
 .............
...............
...............
...............
.......o........
......oI).......
......Oo........
#...###...#####
###   #####


You could see an ogre, an orc wizard and 4 orcs.

Vanquished Creatures
  Urug (Orc:3)
  Prince Ribbit (D:4)
  The ghost of Kazbah the Skirmisher, an average DrCK of Xom (D:4)
  A troll (Orc:3)
  A hippogriff (D:7)
  An ice beast (D:6)
  2 phantoms
  6 centaurs
  Menkaure (D:4)
  4 orc warriors
  6 ogres
  A warg (Orc:3)
  12 big kobolds (D:7)
  3 giant frogs
  A giant beetle (D:7)
  2 imps
  7 orc priests
  A hound (D:6)
  An iguana (D:5)
  14 orc wizards
  A scorpion (D:5)
  6 giant ants
  4 gnolls (D:5)
  6 snakes
  A giant mite (D:3)
  4 worms
  A giant eyeball (D:6)
  13 giant bats
  5 giant cockroaches
  21 goblins
  17 hobgoblins
  72 orcs
  2 small snakes
  2 giant geckos (D:5)
  3 giant newts
  18 kobolds
  15 rats
  2 toadstools (D:7)
260 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A big kobold (D:7)
  An orc wizard (Orc:2)
  A goblin (Orc:2)
  11 orcs
  A kobold (D:7)
15 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  An orc (Orc:2)
  A quokka (D:3)
  2 butterflies (D:4)
4 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 279 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place   | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1     | Thoggok, the Ogre Transmuter, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1     | Reached XP level 1. HP: 15/15 MP: 1/1
     2 | D:1     | Learned a level 1 spell: Fulsome Distillation
   149 | D:1     | Reached skill 3 in Unarmed Combat
   296 | D:1     | Reached XP level 2. HP: 19/21 MP: 2/3
   302 | D:1     | Learned a level 2 spell: Evaporate
   345 | D:1     | Reached skill 1 in Transmutations
   588 | D:1     | Gained mutation: You are frail (-10% HP).
   588 | D:1     | Gained mutation: You have a pair of small horns on your head.
   588 | D:1     | Gained mutation: Your muscles are flexible (Dex +1), but weak (Str -1).
  1265 | D:2     | Reached XP level 3. HP: 26/26 MP: 4/4
  1648 | D:2     | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  2209 | D:3     | Reached XP level 4. HP: 13/31 MP: 3/6
  2296 | D:3     | Learned a level 4 spell: Ice Form
  2777 | D:3     | Reached XP level 5. HP: 23/38 MP: 3/7
  3221 | D:4     | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  3237 | D:4     | Noticed Prince Ribbit
  3916 | D:4     | Defeated Prince Ribbit
  3916 | D:4     | Reached XP level 6. HP: 17/45 MP: 5/10
  3916 | D:4     | Reached XP level 7. HP: 19/52 MP: 6/12
  4076 | D:4     | Lost mutation: You have a pair of small horns on your head.
  4104 | D:4     | Noticed Kazbah's ghost
  4246 | Temple  | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  4280 | Temple  | Became a worshipper of Sif Muna the Loreminder
  4678 | D:4     | Reached skill 4 in Dodging
  4874 | D:3     | HP: 2/52 [poison]
  5162 | D:3     | Reached skill 1 in Ice Magic
  5333 | D:3     | Gained mutation: Your vision is a little blurry.
  5422 | D:4     | Noticed Menkaure
  5475 | D:4     | Defeated Menkaure
  5580 | D:4     | Acquired Sif Muna's first power
  5603 | D:4     | Defeated Kazbah's ghost
  5603 | D:4     | Reached XP level 8. HP: 43/57 MP: 5/16
  5892 | D:4     | Reached skill 5 in Dodging
  5952 | D:5     | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  6617 | D:5     | Reached skill 1 in Stealth
  6877 | D:6     | Reached skill 5 in Spellcasting
  7065 | D:6     | Acquired Sif Muna's second power
  7203 | D:6     | Found a gateway to a ziggurat.
  7219 | D:6     | Reached XP level 9. HP: 52/52 MP: 11/19
  7518 | D:6     | Reached skill 6 in Dodging
  7545 | D:6     | Reached skill 5 in Fighting
  7948 | D:7     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  8058 | D:7     | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  8064 | D:7     | Reached skill 5 in Unarmed Combat
  8101 | D:7     | Reached XP level 10. HP: 13/60 MP: 18/20
  8168 | D:7     | Reached skill 1 in Necromancy
  8751 | D:7     | Reached skill 5 in Transmutations
  9036 | Orc:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
  9338 | Orc:1   | Reached skill 1 in Throwing
  9348 | Orc:1   | Reached skill 7 in Dodging
  9416 | Orc:1   | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 10663 | Orc:3   | Noticed Urug
 10682 | Orc:3   | Defeated Urug
 10910 | Orc:4   | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
 10911 | Orc:4   | Acquired Sif Muna's third power
 10948 | Orc:4   | HP: 2/73 [ogre/giant club (21)]
 10948 | Orc:4   | Slain by an orc

Still though, it was a good run, and he was quite promising even when he died.  Just goes to show that even ogres can get somewhere.  Quite fun for a build that, you would think, wouldn't be able to do anything.

Phoo...  In my defense though, I didn't actually know they could do that.  I wasn't aware that I'd be granting them free hits for traveling up the stairs.


EDIT:  Alright, if for nothing else, this is enough reason to worship Fedhas:

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You shoot a +0 stone. The +0 stone hits the orc priest.
The orc priest is heavily wounded.
Your wandering mushroom misses the orc priest.
The orc priest calls down the wrath of Beogh upon you.
Something smites you!
You die...
Fedhas appreciates your contribution to the ecosystem.

EDIT2:  Something is desperately, desperately wrong here.  I just started a Spriggan Artificer and then started running for my life downwards until I could find the temple and devote myself to Nemelex.

On level three, I go five steps then see a shrine to Nemelex in the corner of a corridor.  It's just sitting there.  I rush up and prostrate my tiny form before it.

He accepts my worship, then lets me go about proving my worth.  I sacrifice a cockroach or two, a goblin...  And then finally Nemelex grants me my first deck.

I look at it.  Then I look at it again.

On level three of the dungeon, with a level 1 Spriggan Artificer, after two paltry enemies, Nemelex Xobeh has just granted me a Legendary Deck of Summoning.

This is on level four of the dungeon:

Yes, those are yellow wasps.

I mean, seriously.  I love this guy.


Another summoning deck, but with a couple feast cards thrown in.  I'm a Spriggan.  This much luck can't be a good thing.

EDIT3:  "the +5, +8 dagger "Gappamn" {flame, +Lev rF+ rN+ SInv}".  Alright, really now...  What the hell is going on here?  And now one scroll of identify just decided to decrypt the mysteries of two rings and an amulet. 

I'm really quite scared now.

[forsaken1111]

By the way, what controls when or how many items an ID scroll will reveal?

[beorn080]

Xom.

[dragnar]

By the way, what controls when or how many items an ID scroll will reveal?

The Random Number God. Or as it is called in this game:

Xom.

[forsaken1111]

Ah, alright. I had hoped it was somehow tied to your skill at spellcasting or evoking.

[Mr.Person]

Don't worry, you'll die. It's just a matter of time now.