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[Rex_Nex]

Dispel Undead.

derp

[G-Flex]

"Run from things you can't beat and are slower than you" is still advice pretty much any character needs to follow. You always need to keep your escape options handy, and plan things out a bit. This is why we don't take shafts downward!

Dispel Undead.

derp

Necromancy in general is pretty much a "derp". You get spells to raise the dead, spells to make things dead (direct damage), a spell to steal HP, a spell to heal HP (regeneration), spells to summon things, a spell to turn into a freaking lich (with lots of benefits), an invincibility spell (I'm not kidding), and I forget what other ridiculous stuff.

[beorn080]

Troll Wizard Anything of Nemelex.

FTFY. Nemlex is the most bizzare god ever. At first, he's kinda useless, because you keep sacrificing the multitudes of weapons you get, then you realize 'Wait. Battle sucks. Here, have my rations instead." and you are getting levelup cards suddenly.

Specifically though, Troll Wizards of Nemelex have Magikarp power, since they can Shuffle that delightfully massive Strength stat into their intelligence, making, potentially, the most powerful caster type in the game.

[G-Flex]

Haha, yeah. Their magical aptitudes still suck, though, so you'd have to farm a lot for it. Earth Magic is their best at -1, but Spellcasting (and many others) are at -4, meaning it costs twice as much experience (as 0 aptitude) to raise them.

[quinnr]

Either the game was made way easier, or Felid Berserkers are awesome.

Seriously, second game in months and I'm almost as far as I've ever been :O

[debvon]

Either the game was made way easier, or Felid Berserkers are awesome.

Seriously, second game in months and I'm almost as far as I've ever been :O

What version are you playing? Felid Berserkers used to be even better but they got hit with an aptitude nerf. They're still good, just not as good.

[Strange guy]

I've gotten my furthest ever a felid berserker, getting my first rune, entering the vaults for the first time, killing a ton of enemies and uniques for the first time, so yes they are awesome. Though have been nerfed several times.

[quinnr]

Either the game was made way easier, or Felid Berserkers are awesome.

Seriously, second game in months and I'm almost as far as I've ever been :O

What version are you playing? Felid Berserkers used to be even better but they got hit with an aptitude nerf. They're still good, just not as good.

0.8.1-0-g3982a66

That after they were nerfed or no?

[Mr.Person]

Pretty sure that's after. Did you grab that version anytime within the past few months? Felids were nerfed ages ago.

[quinnr]

It's their debian repository version. Got it like 2 days ago xD

[G-Flex]

You know they've got precompiled binaries up on their site, right?

[Kay12]

I played Crawl the first time a couple of years ago (there were still Ogre mages and Gnomes), then I left it but rediscovered Stone Soup last Summer (no such thing as Felids then, iirc) and I just checked out the source last weekend and started playing again.

I love vampires. At first I just enjoyed their relaxed hunger clock, but then I started liking other things as well. Vampire wizard is one of my favorite characters, and mephitic cloud owns the early game. Kobolds are another favorite of mine, because of their easy eating and good aptitudes for a fighter/spellcaster hybrid. I dislike playing with characters that don't have spellcasting skill initially, because I think it's even harder to train from scratch (for most melee combat races, especially) than fighting, but I find it important to have some magical backup like summon imp for dealing with mummy death curses and distracting monsters. I've played Hill Orc Crusader a lot and went for Cheibriados (one of my favorite gods because he's so... relaxed ^^) but somehow I always bump into Sigmund or an ogre or something like that before I find an altar...

(EDIT: Please suggest fun race&class&god combinations! I find plain melee guys a bit boring, but something that can survive beyond the very beginning is appropriate)

[monkeydancer]

I like kobold berserkers and spriggan magic users a lot, they're both very good in the early game and can get really powerful.

I've got a KoBe game going at the moment and things are going pretty well, I've just wondering whether ditching Trog to get some spells (for stuff like blink and repel/deflect missiles and a few ranged things) is worth it. So far I've had no real problems, but I don't know how useful brothers in arms is on later levels and the versatility of a few spells would be nice. Also, when deserting gods, does the amount of punishment you get increase/change with piety? I've never done it before.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.8.0 character file.

ass the Spry (Kobold Berserker)                                                        Turns: 50132, Time: 03:41:06

HP 126/126 (130) AC 19     Str 17      Exp: 18/228285 (3), need: 7715
MP  20/20        EV 26     Int  8      God: Trog [******]
Gold 3375        SH 26     Dex 18      Spells:  0 memorised, 19 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : .    A - +5,+8 sabre (flame) {god gift}
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : . .  b - +3 leather armour {rPois}
Life Prot.: + + .   Conserve   : .    O - +1 shield {AC+3}
Res.Acid. : . . .   Res.Corr.  : .    V - +1 wizard hat
Res.Poison: +       Clarity    : .    I - +2 cloak of the Trees {rElec rN+}
Res.Elec. : +       Spirit.Shd : .    o - +1 pair of gloves
Sust.Abil.: . .     Stasis     : .    C - +2 pair of orc boots
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .    Y - amulet of rage
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .    n - ring of protection from magic
Saprovore : + + .   Ctrl.Flight: .    g - ring of life protection

@: exhausted, very resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely stealthy
A: carnivore 3, +10% mp, saprovore 2, screaming 1, spit poison 1, Dex -1
a: Spit Poison, Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion, Evoke Berserk Rage


You are on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Trog.
Trog is exalted by your worship.
You are very full.

You have visited 9 branches of the dungeon, and seen 46 of its levels.
You have visited 1 bazaar.
You have visited 2 portal chambers: sewer, ice cave.

You have collected 3554 gold pieces.
You have spent 199 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 x - a +4,+4 dwarven dagger of venom (quivered)
 z - a +3,+5 sabre of freezing {god gift}
 A - a +5,+8 sabre of flaming (weapon) {god gift}
 D - the +1,+4 sabre "Death Rattle" {god gift, antimagic, Dex+3 Stlth++}
   (Trog gifted it to you on level 11 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It disrupts the flow of magical energy around spellcasters and certain
   magical creatures (including the wielder).
   
   
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It makes you much more stealthy.
Armour
 b - a +3 leather armour of poison resistance (worn)
 o - a +1 pair of gloves (worn)
 C - a +2 pair of orcish boots (worn)
 I - the +2 cloak of the Trees (worn) {rElec rN+}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Vaults)   
   
   
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It protects you from negative energy.
 O - a +1 shield of protection (worn)
 V - a +1 wizard hat (worn)
Magical devices
 m - a wand of fire {recharged}
 F - a wand of cold
 L - a wand of disintegration
 P - a wand of paralysis (5)
 U - a lead wand {zapped: 1} {tried}
Comestibles
 c - 2 meat rations
 w - a beef jerky
Scrolls
 a - 3 scrolls of detect curse
 d - 6 scrolls of identify
 e - 6 scrolls of remove curse
 f - 2 scrolls of fear
 h - 3 scrolls of teleportation
 l - 2 scrolls of fog
 y - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
Jewellery
 g - a ring of life protection (left hand)
 i - an uncursed amulet of conservation
 n - a ring of protection from magic (right hand)
 p - a ring of protection from cold
 v - an uncursed ring of teleportation
 Q - an uncursed ring of see invisible
 Y - an amulet of rage (around neck)
Potions
 r - 2 potions of heal wounds
 s - 3 potions of resistance
 M - 12 potions of healing
 S - a potion of speed


 You have 3 experience left.

   Skills:
 + Level 16 Fighting
 - Level 14 Short Blades
 + Level 3 Maces & Flails
 + Level 6 Armour
 + Level 16 Dodging
 + Level 13 Stealth
 + Level 14 Stabbing
 - Level 12 Shields
 + Level 5 Traps & Doors
 + Level 1 Spellcasting
 + Level 2 Evocations


You have 19 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (18/27)            Temple (1/1) D:6             Orc (4/4) D:8
    Elf (2/5) Orc:4          Lair (8/8) D:11         Shoals (0/5) Lair:5
  Slime (0/6) Lair:7        Snake (3/5) Lair:3         Hive (2/2) D:11
  Vault (7/8) D:14          Crypt (1/5) Vault:3     
 Blade: Vault:4-6   

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Makhleb
Okawaru
Sif Muna
The Shining One
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul

Shops:
D:4: *  D:5: =  D:10: [  D:15: %  Orc:2: ?  Orc:4: !+[*  Elf:1: !!  Elf:2: (  Snake:1: [

Annotations
D:8 exclusion: oklob plant
Lair:7 exclusion: 3 oklob plants
Snake:2 exclusion: Roxanne
Hive:2 exclusion: 2 oklob plants


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You recuperate from illness quickly.
You are small and have problems with some larger weapons.
You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time.
You can eat rotten meat.
You are clumsy (Dex -1).
You have an increased reservoir of magic (+10% MP).
You occasionally shout uncontrollably.
You can spit poison.

[G-Flex]

Your piety doesn't matter. However, Trog wrath is pretty bad.

trog wrath[1/4]: ABANDONMENT: 50 penance, immediate retribution.  RETRIBUTION: 50% summoning abjurable, but berserking hostiles from (iron troll, deep troll, rock troll, troll, black bear, grizzly bear, stone giant, hill giant, ogre, two-headed ogre); 33% weakening effect (decay, STR loss, paralysis, slowing); 16% fire miscast.

If you feel like you can escape or kill berserking stone giants or being paralyzed or set on fire at random times, I guess you could go right ahead. I wouldn't do it.

[monkeydancer]

Yeah... That does sound pretty terrible, I think I'll give it a miss, thanks!