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[Leafsnail]

I think a major factor in this success was my tendence to perform expeditious retreats at the SLIGHTEST hint of trouble with this character, instead of rushing forward spells blazing.

The key to victory.  That and getting spells to help you do that (think Controlled Blink).

Does magic get very powerful later?

...If you're conjuring and not an Earth Elementalist or Air Elementalist, it should be pretty strong from the start?

[Antioch]

I think a major factor in this success was my tendence to perform expeditious retreats at the SLIGHTEST hint of trouble with this character, instead of rushing forward spells blazing.

The key to victory.  That and getting spells to help you do that (think Controlled Blink).

correct, all the players who win are bloody cowards.

[beorn080]

Does magic get very powerful later?

...If you're conjuring and not an Earth Elementalist or Air Elementalist, it should be pretty strong from the start?

Even as an EE or AE, you start pretty strong, especially as an EE in trunk. AE's get Shock, which is weaker then other spells, but bounces so it can hit several times. EE's got a lot of buffs in trunk.

[Leafsnail]

Oh, I guess in trunk EEs are fine too.  AE isn't too bad if you bounce Shock and kite a lot with your speed enhancers, but I think you could be forgiven for saying it lacks "power".

[ChairmanPoo]

I've found Air Elementalists weak. Mostly because shock misses a lot of the time. That means that they can die early to a hob because it's not impossible to see all their blasts miss.

PD: I think I'm in trouble.

[Robsoie]

Is it some kind of typo, or have the devs skipped 0.8 and are now releasing builds in trunk at version 0.9 ?

[Soadreqm]

...casting usually either kills things nearly instantenously, giving me no XP for my weapon of choice...

I'm not sure if I understand your problem here. Could you clarify this a bit?

[lemon10]

I've found Air Elementalists weak. Mostly because shock misses a lot of the time. That means that they can die early to a hob because it's not impossible to see all their blasts miss.

PD: I think I'm in trouble.

It missing a lot is fixed with a tiny bit of effort, since it is able to hit a enemy two or three times per cast.

[BishopX]

I've found Air Elementalists weak. Mostly because shock misses a lot of the time. That means that they can die early to a hob because it's not impossible to see all their blasts miss.

PD: I think I'm in trouble.

Have you ID'd blink and teleport yet?

[Robsoie]

Using a very recent trunk version, i played with the Sprint dungeon "Red Sonja"

In this dungeon, there's a room south of the zone in which you can find Sonja that has 2 spores just behind the door. At the time i reached that specific room, my character was a Troll Berserker level 9 and 73 health.

Before, i never had a troll berzerker dying from 2 spores at the level your character is by the time you're reaching that room.

So i opened the door, 2 explosions in the same turn (both spores) --> Troll berzerker dead.
I have no idea due to the annoying lack of information Crawl provide to the player how much damage the 1st explosion was , but the 2nd one was "40 damage" !

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2465 v the Grappler (level 8, -1/73 HPs)
             Began as a Troll Berserker on Apr 14, 2011.
             Was a High Priest of Trog.
             Killed by an exploding giant spore (40 damage)
             ... in the Dungeon (Sprint I: "Red Sonja").
             The game lasted 00:03:26 (626 turns).
But according to that, the 1st explosion must then have been 34 damage if i ended at -1 health with the 2nd explosion.

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   626 | D       | Noticed a giant spore
   626 | D       | Noticed a giant spore
   626 | D       | Defeated a giant spore
   626 | D       | Defeated a giant spore
   626 | D       | Killed by an exploding giant spore

So just very bad luck in regard to the random roll regarding damage, or have the spores power been increased ?

[ChairmanPoo]

So far so good

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.8.0-a0-5914-gdfc6cae character file.

Matxakator the Nimble (Kobold Crusader)                            Turns: 11225, Time: 00:44:18

HP  58/58        AC  6     Str 14      Exp: 10/5437 (604), need: 2323
MP  19/19        EV 19     Int 12      God: Kikubaaqudgha [**....]
Gold 303         SH 11     Dex 17      Spells:  5 memorised,  5 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : .    k - +1,+4 orc short sword
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : . .  L - +1 orc robe {rN+}
Life Prot.: + + .   Conserve   : .    D - +0 buckler
Res.Acid. : . . .   Res.Corr.  : .    (no helmet)
Res.Poison: .       Clarity    : .    B - +0 elf cloak
Res.Elec. : .       Spirit.Shd : .    l - +0 pair of gauntlets
Sust.Abil.: + .     Stasis     : .    o - +0 pair of boots
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .    (no amulet)
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .    G - ring "Wil Lyer" {SustAb rN+ Str+3}
Saprovore : + + .   Ctrl.Flight: .    N - ring of regeneration

@: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, quite stealthy
A: carnivore 3, saprovore 2
a: Receive Corpses, Renounce Religion


You are on level 9 of the Dungeon.
You worship Kikubaaqudgha.
Kikubaaqudgha is most pleased with you.
You are completely stuffed.

You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 10 of its levels.

You have collected 283 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 k - a +1,+4 orcish short sword (weapon)
 R - an uncursed blowgun
Missiles
 i - 36 stones (quivered)
 Q - 9 poisoned needles
Armour
 l - a +0 pair of gauntlets (worn)
 o - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
 B - a +0 elven cloak (worn)
 D - a +0 buckler (worn)
 L - a +1 orcish robe of positive energy (worn)
Magical devices
 b - a wand of magic darts
 j - a long lead wand {zapped: 1} {tried}
 m - a wand of magic darts {zapped: 3}
 w - a brass wand
 I - a wand of paralysis {zapped: 1}
 P - a wand of magic darts {zapped: 2}
Comestibles
 d - 3 meat rations
 J - 4 chunks of orc flesh
 T - a rotting chunk of orc flesh
Scrolls
 f - a scroll of detect curse
 g - 4 scrolls of remove curse
 s - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 y - a scroll labeled QENUTIU TIWAI {tried}
 O - a scroll of identify
 S - a scroll labeled STYESY THYM
Jewellery
 q - a +2 ring of evasion
 t - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
 v - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 G - the ring "Wil Lyer" (right hand) {SustAb rN+ Str+3}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)   
   [ring of sustain abilities]
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It protects you from negative energy.
 M - an uncursed amulet of rage
 N - a ring of regeneration (left hand)
Potions
 a - 2 potions of healing
 e - a fizzy red potion
 p - 2 inky potions
 u - a blue potion
 z - 2 potions of heal wounds
 A - a bubbling brown potion
 E - 2 potions of magic
 F - 3 potions of might
 H - a potion of speed
 K - a smoky cyan potion
Books
 c - a book of War Chants   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Fire Brand                         Charms/Fire                  2
   *Freezing Aura                     Charms/Ice                   2
   Repel Missiles                     Charms/Air                   2
   *Berserker Rage                    Charms                       3
   *Regeneration                      Charms/Necromancy            3
   Silence                            Charms/Air                   5
   
 h - a book of Necromancy {god gift}   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Pain                              Necromancy                   1
   Animate Skeleton                   Necromancy                   1
   Lethal Infusion                    Charms/Necromancy            2
   *Vampiric Draining                 Necromancy                   3
   *Regeneration                      Charms/Necromancy            3
   Dispel Undead                      Necromancy                   4
   Animate Dead                       Necromancy                   4
   
 n - a book of Transfigurations   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Stoneskin                          Transmutation/Earth          2
   Condensation Shield                Ice/Transmutation            4
   Ice Form                           Ice/Transmutation            4
   Statue Form                        Transmutation/Earth          6
   Dragon Form                        Fire/Transmutation           8
   
 r - a book of Power   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Teleport Other                     Translocation                3
   Animate Dead                       Necromancy                   4
   Iskenderun's Mystic Blast          Conjuration                  4
   Venom Bolt                         Conjuration/Poison           5
   Poisonous Cloud                    Conjuration/Poison/Air       5
   Iron Shot                          Conjuration/Earth            6
   Mass Confusion                     Hexes                        6
   Orb of Destruction                 Conjuration                  7
   
 x - a book of Wizardry   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Summon Elemental                   Summoning                    4
   Teleport Self                      Translocation                5
   Agony                              Necromancy                   5
   Lightning Bolt                     Conjuration/Air              5
   Fireball                           Conjuration/Fire             6
   Haste                              Charms                       6
   Invisibility                       Hexes                        6
   
 C - a book of Transfigurations   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Stoneskin                          Transmutation/Earth          2
   Condensation Shield                Ice/Transmutation            4
   Ice Form                           Ice/Transmutation            4
   Statue Form                        Transmutation/Earth          6
   Dragon Form                        Fire/Transmutation           8
   


 You have 604 experience left.

   Skills:
 + Level 6 Fighting
 - Level 5 Short Blades
 + Level 2 Throwing
 + Level 2 Armour
 + Level 8 Dodging
 + Level 4 Stealth
 + Level 2 Stabbing
 + Level 4 Spellcasting
 - Level 5 Charms
 + Level 6 Necromancy
 + Level 2 Ice Magic


You have 5 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Success   Level  Hunger
a - Freezing Aura         Ice/Chrm       ###.......   Very Good   2    Choko
b - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      ####......   Great       3    Choko
c - Berserker Rage        Chrm           N/A          Very Good   3    Choko
d - Vampiric Draining     Necr           ####......   Great       3    Choko
e - Pain                  Necr           ####.        Excellent   1    Sultana


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (9/27)             Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (0/4) D:6
  Lair: D:8-13     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
The Shining One
Trog
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You recuperate from illness quickly.
You are small and have problems with some larger weapons.
You are carnivorous and can eat meat at any time.
You can eat rotten meat.


Message History

Things that are here:
an orcish mace; an orcish chain mail; a rotting orc corpse
Things that are here:
a glowing orcish flail; an orcish leather armour
You are alive. Your movement speed is average. Your attack speed is above average.
You are somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments.
You feel quite stealthy.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Pikel (D:6)
  Prince Ribbit (D:7)
  The ghost of Matxakator the Unbeliever, an average KoHe (D:5)
  Edmund (D:7)
  2 orc warriors
  Menkaure (D:4)
  An ice beast (D:9)
  A sky beast (D:
  3 ogres
  3 centaurs
  2 giant frogs (D:7)
  Blork the orc (D:6)
  A water moccasin skeleton (D:7)
  5 killer bees (D:
  A killer bee zombie (D:7)
  A goliath beetle (D:9)
  4 orc priests
  A big fish (D:
  5 hounds
  An imp (D:9)
  Crazy Yiuf (D:6)
  A scorpion (D:7)
  A hound zombie (D:6)
  4 orc wizards
  2 hound skeletons
  3 iguanas
  7 worker ants
  Ijyb (D:2)
  A jelly (D:9)
  6 gnolls
  8 snakes
  2 snake zombies
  A worm (D:4)
  An ufetubus (D:6)
  A megabat skeleton (D:5)
  A giant eyeball (D:7)
  4 giant geckos
  18 orcs
  5 giant cockroaches
  10 hobgoblins
  4 jackals
  14 megabats
  3 small snakes
  7 giant newts
  13 goblins
  12 kobolds
  A kobold skeleton (D:5)
  An orc skeleton (D:4)
  A quokka zombie (D:5)
  27 rats
  A ballistomycete (D:9)
  A fungus (D:6)
  2 toadstools
202 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A slave (D:6)
  Duvessa (D:6)
  Dowan (D:6)
  An imp (D:6)
  An orc wizard (D:5)
  3 orcs
  A hobgoblin (D:6)
  A small snake (D:5)
  A giant spore (D:9)
  A rat (D:6)
  6 toadstools
18 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 220 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place   | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1     | Matxakator, the Kobold Crusader, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1     | Reached XP level 1. HP: 11/11 MP: 1/1
   126 | D:1     | Reached XP level 2. HP: 11/14 MP: 2/3
   279 | D:1     | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
   483 | D:1     | Learned a level 2 spell: Freezing Aura
   809 | D:1     | Reached XP level 3. HP: 20/20 MP: 2/4
  1738 | D:1     | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration
  1957 | D:2     | Reached XP level 4. HP: 6/23 MP: 2/6
  2080 | D:2     | Reached skill level 1 in Stealth
  3142 | D:2     | Noticed Ijyb
  3248 | D:2     | Defeated Ijyb
  3248 | D:2     | Reached XP level 5. HP: 5/29 MP: 1/7
  3436 | D:2     | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy
  3448 | D:2     | Learned a level 3 spell: Berserker Rage
  3904 | D:3     | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  3917 | D:3     | Became a worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha
  3996 | D:3     | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  4094 | D:3     | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  4592 | D:4     | Reached XP level 6. HP: 28/33 MP: 2/9
  4744 | D:4     | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  5145 | D:4     | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  5173 | D:4     | Noticed Menkaure
  5180 | D:4     | Defeated Menkaure
  5727 | D:5     | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  5836 | D:5     | Reached skill level 4 in Dodging
  5851 | D:5     | Acquired Kikubaaqudgha's first power
  5851 | D:5     | Received a gift from Kikubaaqudgha
  6069 | D:5     | Reached XP level 7. HP: 39/39 MP: 7/10
  6164 | D:5     | Noticed Matxakator's ghost (average KoHe)
  6185 | D:5     | Defeated Matxakator's ghost
  6435 | D:5     | Learned a level 1 spell: Pain
  6503 | D:5     | Got a sparkling copper ring
  6510 | D:5     | Identified the ring "Wil Lyer" (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)
  6550 | D:5     | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing
  6798 | D:5     | HP: 1/40 [something (13)]
  6804 | D:5     | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  7118 | D:5     | Reached XP level 8. HP: 35/44 MP: 9/12
  7253 | D:6     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  7323 | D:6     | Noticed Blork the orc
  7326 | D:6     | Noticed Pikel
  7344 | D:6     | Defeated Pikel
  7350 | D:6     | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  7350 | D:6     | Defeated Blork the orc
  7489 | D:6     | Reached skill level 1 in Ice Magic
  7492 | D:6     | Defeated Dowan
  7545 | D:6     | Reached XP level 9. HP: 52/52 MP: 13/13
  7573 | D:6     | Reached skill level 1 in Stabbing
  7633 | D:6     | Reached skill level 6 in Dodging
  7686 | D:6     | Noticed Eustachio
  7700 | D:6     | Defeated Duvessa
  7860 | D:6     | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
  7870 | D:6     | Defeated Crazy Yiuf
  7982 | D:7     | Reached skill level 7 in Dodging
  8266 | D:7     | Acquired Kikubaaqudgha's second power
  8304 | D:7     | Learned a level 3 spell: Vampiric Draining
  8311 | D:7     | Noticed Edmund
  8324 | D:7     | Defeated Edmund
  8392 | D:7     | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  8505 | Temple  | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  8653 | D:7     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns
  8770 | D:7     | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  9016 | D:7     | Noticed Prince Ribbit
  9037 | D:7     | Defeated Prince Ribbit
  9053 | D:7     | Reached skill level 5 in Charms
  9398 | D:8     | Reached skill level 8 in Dodging
  9446 | D:8     | Reached skill level 5 in Necromancy
  9912 | D:8     | Reached XP level 10. HP: 56/58 MP: 13/17
 10001 | D:8     | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades

I'm happy with this char concept. Kobold kikrusaders have many of the advantages of KoBes, if not the same start-ease. The plan is to get charms high enough to cast berserker rage reliably, and then go into necro. I keep frost blade because it's a nice buff to deal with imps, but I have abstained from fire blade or dispel undead because I can deal with most of them in regular or berserk melee anyway, and I wanted the spell points for the raise dead spell.


PD:

Stupid ogre mage spawned out of NOWHERE (literally. That room was empty one minute before that) and banished me. Got surrounded and that was it for Matxakator.

[Dakk]

Found a randart lajatang of speed with my draconian transmuter. Sweet, now I can hit people super fast while doing unarmed combat moves in between.

Really need to find decent books though :\, I've been using dig to train earth and transmutations to nice levels but it doesn't matter if I don't get any decent books.

[breadbocks]

So, in the latest trunk, two new dzot powers were added. Summon altar, which summons a random altar, and summon grenade, which summons a spore.

Brotip: Despite it only costing 2 XP, never EVER buy more than one grenade at a time.

[G-Flex]

Found a randart lajatang of speed with my draconian transmuter. Sweet, now I can hit people super fast while doing unarmed combat moves in between.

Really need to find decent books though :\, I've been using dig to train earth and transmutations to nice levels but it doesn't matter if I don't get any decent books.

Doesn't the starting transmutations book come with enough good spells? Why not just use Fulsome Distillation to train Transmutation?

[breadbocks]

Yeah. Don't waste MP on Dig. Just evap all your potions to fight. The moment you forget you are first and foremost a caster is the moment you die in CQC with an Ogre.