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[G-Flex]

and dodging was draining XP that were supposed to go into swords, and I was keeping a wall of spammals on at all times anyways.

If your wall of spammals were working, then dodging wouldn't have been eating XP.

[Mr.Person]

Hydras are fucking me up and I have 30 EV. I'm just gonna skip the little bastard for now.

[ChairmanPoo]

My wall of spammals WAS working. I just turn dodge off as a matter of course, pretty much every time I am playing a caster. At least until I have my spell chance and HP at the level I want them.

Besides, vampires get an evasion bonus anyway. It should train by itself.

[G-Flex]

I just turn dodge off as a matter of course, pretty much every time I am playing a caster. At least until I have my spell chance and HP at the level I want them.

Besides, vampires get an evasion bonus anyway. It should train by itself.

I honestly consider this very bad advice except possibly for the very, very early game. For the most part, you do not want to turn dodging off (or armour, as the case may be). It's very important in Crawl to have good defensive stats, and if you're a long-range caster your HP is probably terrible because you aren't training Fighting.

I'm not sure what evasion bonus you're talking about for vampires (they're normal-sized), and even if they got one, that wouldn't cause dodging to "train by itself".

[Soadreqm]

They got +1 aptitude in dodging. Which REALLY DOESN'T mean that you can just turn it off and still expect to have good EV. Even with a wall of spammals, seems you'd want to have EV just for those magic bolts that go right through everything. Or for when a hydra tears through the animal wall.

I think dodging is one of the skills that get very slow constant training, along with armour and stealth, so it makes sense to turn it off if you never intend to have to dodge an attack. I'm not sure how you're going to manage THAT, though.

[G-Flex]

I think dodging is one of the skills that get very slow constant training, along with armour and stealth

Nope. Dodging is trained by getting attacked (and the attacks missing, I believe). Armour is trained by getting hit for positive damage.

They got +1 aptitude in dodging.

That means it takes 2^(-1/4) times as much experience (relative to 0 aptitude, or a human) to raise the skill, so... 84% or so. Significant, but not amazing and not a reason to leave it turned off.

[Leafsnail]

No matter how much EV you have, it's probably better to have more...

[Angel Of Death]

Yaks are the most overpowered bastards... EVER! I had a yak and a hellion fight in the arena and the yak won with barely any injuries.

[budthespud]

Well, just tried the released version, and the insta-crashes have slowed, but it requires multiple clickings of the exe to get the program to come up and stay up enough for it to load. Is there a RAM spike when it loads up that maybe Vista closes by default? I cant even minimize the game because when I restore it, it crashes then too. I really wish I could stop it from crashing all the time. But I'm stumped.

Also, has anyone seen an actual crossbow in the game? I've played Crawl for years and I have yet to find a crossbow, only bolts.

[boatie]

Is there a difference between being a Mountain Dwarf Chaos Knight for Makhleb and being a Mountain Dwarf Fighter who will go towards Maklheb when he can?

[Robsoie]

A Makhleb Chaos Knight starting with Maklheb means you'll gain faith (and so faith ranks) earlier, leading you to gain Malkleb powers earlier.
It can take a lots of time for a Fighter to reach temple (and lots of luck to find a Makhleb altar before that). And if you're unlucky, you'll have a corrupted temple with mostly Lugonu altar replacing most of the other altars, leading you into a chance of not finding a Makhleb one.

Additionally a chaos knight start with a +2,+2 weapon, can make a real difference in early fights.

The advantage for the fighter is him starting with shields and the appropriate skill, meaning you'll be able to block sometime attacks and increase your shield skill quicker.

[lemon10]

Well, just tried the released version, and the insta-crashes have slowed, but it requires multiple clickings of the exe to get the program to come up and stay up enough for it to load. Is there a RAM spike when it loads up that maybe Vista closes by default? I cant even minimize the game because when I restore it, it crashes then too. I really wish I could stop it from crashing all the time. But I'm stumped.

Also, has anyone seen an actual crossbow in the game? I've played Crawl for years and I have yet to find a crossbow, only bolts.

Ya, yakaturs have bunches of them. Finding them hasn't been a problem for me (although i do prefer to use long bows instead).

[budthespud]

Looks like it might have been the fact I didnt update my Geforce 8800 drivers in a couple months, it's running pretty good now. No crashes as of yet. Although I am a bit confused with the fact editing the tiles_options init file seems to have no effect. It has fullscreen = true, but it still runs in a 1280x1024 window. Even though the windowed settings has it at 1024x768. Just a little odd.

[DeKaFu]

So...

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.8.0-a0-4934-g9e49f6b character file.

John the Thaumaturge (Demonspawn Conjurer)                                             Turns: 34020, Time: 03:50:32

HP  81/106       AC 14     Str 13      Exp: 14/82462 (1332), need: 28537
MP  32/32        EV 20     Int 22      God: Vehumet [******]
Gold 2374        SH  0     Dex 16      Spells: 10 memorised,  1 level left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : .   q - +3,+5 demon blade (flame)
Res.Cold  : + . .   Warding    : .   U - +2 robe {rC+}
Life Prot.: + . .   Conserve   : .   (no shield)
Res.Acid. : + . .   Res.Corr.  : .   I - +2 wizard hat {Int+3}
Res.Poison: +       Clarity    : .   i - +2 cloak
Res.Elec. : .       Spirit.Shd : .   J - +1 pair of gauntlets
Sust.Abil.: . .     Stasis     : .   d - +1 pair of boots
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   S - amulet of faith
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .   H - ring "Ghykefoami" {MR Str+2 Stlth++}
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: .   m - ring of poison resistance

@: quite resistant to hostile enchantments, very stealthy
A: horns 1, deformed body 1, demonic guardian 2, life protection 1, spiny 1, AC +2, Dex +2
a: Renounce Religion


You are on level 9 of the Dungeon.
You worship Vehumet.
Vehumet is exalted by your worship.
You are very hungry.

You have visited 5 branches of the dungeon, and seen 26 of its levels.
You have visited 1 Labyrinth.
You have visited 1 portal chamber: bailey.

You have collected 3077 gold pieces.
You have spent 723 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 g - a +3,+7 dagger of venom (quivered)
 q - a +3,+5 demon blade of flaming (weapon)
Armour
 d - a +1 pair of boots (worn)
 i - a +2 cloak (worn)
 I - a +2 wizard hat of intelligence (worn)
 J - a +1 pair of gauntlets (worn)
 U - a +2 robe of cold resistance (worn)
Magical devices
 a - a wand of disintegration
 f - a wand of fire
 h - a wand of digging
 r - a wand of paralysis
 s - a runed lead wand
 C - a wand of disintegration {zapped: 4}
 M - a wand of cold
 R - a wand of fireball {zapped: 1}
 Z - a wand of fire {zapped: 7}
Comestibles
 b - 4 bread rations
 p - 2 apples
 w - 9 honeycombs
Scrolls
 j - 5 scrolls of remove curse
 u - 2 scrolls of enchant armour
 A - 4 scrolls of recharging
 E - 2 scrolls of identify
 Y - 2 scrolls of blinking
Jewellery
 m - a ring of poison resistance (left hand)
 z - an uncursed amulet of the gourmand
 H - the ring "Ghykefoami" (right hand) {MR Str+2 Stlth++}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   [ring of protection from magic]
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 N - an uncursed ring of ice
 S - an amulet of faith (around neck)
 W - an uncursed ring of magical power
Potions
 c - a potion of porridge
 k - 3 potions of healing
 o - 2 potions of speed
 t - a potion of heal wounds
 v - a potion of brilliance
Books
 l - a book of Summonings {god gift}   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Abjuration                        Summoning                    3
   *Recall                            Summoning/Translocation      3
   Summon Elemental                   Summoning                    4
   Shadow Creatures                   Summoning                    5
   Summon Demon                       Summoning                    5
   Summon Ugly Thing                  Summoning                    6
   Summon Hydra                       Summoning                    7
   Summon Dragon                      Summoning                    9
   
 x - a book of Spatial Translocations   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Apportation                        Translocation                1
   Portal Projectile                  Translocation                2
   Blink                              Translocation                2
   *Recall                            Summoning/Translocation      3
   Teleport Other                     Translocation                3
   Control Teleport                   Charms/Translocation         4
   Teleport Self                      Translocation                5
   
 B - a book of Demonology {god gift}   
   WARNING: If you fail in an attempt to memorise a spell from this book, the
   book will lash out at you.
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Demonic Horde                      Summoning                    6
   Haunt                              Necromancy/Summoning         7
   Summon Greater Demon               Summoning                    7
   Malign Gateway                     Summoning/Translocation      7
   Summon Horrible Things             Summoning                    8
   
 K - a book of Annihilations {god gift}   
   WARNING: If you fail in an attempt to memorise a spell from this book, the
   book will lash out at you.
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Poison Arrow                       Conjuration/Poison           6
   Orb of Destruction                 Conjuration                  7
   Chain Lightning                    Conjuration/Air              8
   Lehudib's Crystal Spear            Conjuration/Earth            8
   Ice Storm                          Conjuration/Ice              9
   Fire Storm                         Conjuration/Fire             9
   
Magical staves
 G - a staff of energy


 You have 1332 experience left.

   Skills:
 + Level 10 Fighting
 - Level 6 Short Blades
 + Level 3 Long Blades
 - Level 1 Throwing
 + Level 12 Dodging
 + Level 6 Stealth
 - Level 4 Stabbing
 + Level 1 Traps & Doors
 - Level 3 Unarmed Combat
 + Level 12 Spellcasting
 + Level 11 Conjurations
 + Level 1 Summonings
 + Level 4 Necromancy
 + Level 5 Ice Magic
 + Level 4 Air Magic
 + Level 4 Poison Magic
 + Level 2 Evocations


You have one spell level left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Success   Level  Hunger
a - Magic Dart            Conj           #####        Excellent   1    None
b - Ozocubu's Armour      Ice/Chrm       ####......   Great       3    None
c - Mephitic Cloud        Pois/Air/Conj  ######....   Excellent   3    None
d - Static Discharge      Air/Conj       ######....   Excellent   4    None
e - Bolt of Cold          Ice/Conj       ######....   Great       6    Honeycomb
f - Iskenderun's Mystic   Conj           #######..    Excellent   4    None
g - Poisonous Cloud       Pois/Air/Conj  ######....   Excellent   5    Choko
h - Abjuration            Summ           ####......   Excellent   3    None
i - Animate Dead          Necr           N/A          Very Good   4    None
j - Recall                Tloc/Summ      N/A          Excellent   3    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (12/27)            Temple (1/1) D:4             Orc (4/4) D:9
    Elf (2/5) Orc:3          Lair (7/8) D:8          Shoals (0/5) Lair:5
  Slime (0/6) Lair:6        Snake (0/5) Lair:5     
  Hive: D:11-16     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
The Shining One
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin

Shops:
D:7: +  D:9: (?=  D:10: +  D:11: !  Orc:4: +  Elf:1: *

Portals:
Ziggurat: D:6 (4710 gp)  D:7 (6600 gp)


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have a pair of small horns on your head.
You are mostly covered in yellow scales (AC +2, rAcid+).
A demonic guardian rushes to your aid.
You resist negative energy.
You are partially covered in sharp spines.
You are agile (Dex +2).
Armour fits poorly on your unusually shaped body.

I've never had a spellcaster this successful before, and therefore have no idea what I'm doing. Any advice on what to do next?
I've only ever managed to grab a rune once before, with an MDFi before they got nerfed. So yeah.

[boatie]

Anybody know where I could find a recording of a (hopefully Tile) ascension?