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Author Topic: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.  (Read 1682250 times)

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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #4080 on: October 17, 2010, 02:19:21 pm »

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Once the invocations gains a few levels, things get silly to boot. I had a MuSu pumping out a haunt every two turns on average 'cause of that channeling. Like doc FG says, free channeling is broken, not just powerful, especially once you get the right spells to take full advantage of it. Of course, mummies don't need sif to pull it off -- staff of channeling can do the same thing -- but sif's certainly the most reliable method of getting it. Nice other perks, too.

Can you imagine spitting out a shatter every other turn, though? Between sif and the mummy no-food thing, there's not even a chance of miscast backlash or starvation, just you wrecking the entire dungeon and everything in it.

I macro channeling (aa enter) to - on the numpad, personally. Saves a keypress and it's not as tempting to hold down to speed things up.

Sif's channeling with high invocation is much faster than the staff. You'll restore about 5-6 MP per turn, which is fast enough to spam Refrigeration. Refrigeration is ridiculous when used by mummies (no potions and rCold). You can clear most branches with it, since doesn't wake monsters up and it hits everything in the LOS.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #4081 on: October 17, 2010, 02:51:12 pm »

Wait... Refrigeration is only a level 5 spell??  Damnit, Muna, I need a Book of Ice!

Heck, I'm not even that sure if Mystic Blast is necessary.  Throw Icicle seems to be killing everything just fine.
« Last Edit: October 17, 2010, 03:12:49 pm by Leafsnail »
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« Reply #4082 on: October 17, 2010, 03:21:57 pm »

Throw Icicle is probably better than Mystic Blast if the enemy isn't resistant to cold. The thing is, even if they are, Throw Icicle still does pretty good damage.

If you're gonna be casting fulsome distallation and training up transmutation, you might as well play as something other than a mummy and just cast necromutation once you later get the skills. Same deal of free channelling, but with much better aptitudes and resistances instead of vulnerability to fire.

Pretty sure that channeling is gonna get fixed before the next version. Instead of costing food, it's going to make you glow.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #4083 on: October 17, 2010, 04:29:52 pm »

Poor mummies. Always getting what few toys they have snatched away.

I'd probably rather channeling just be made incompatible with necromutation and the mummies' trick left the hell alone. Things are already among the kicking toys of the game.

Actually, ditching necromutation entirely sounds kinda' spiffy. Leave the undead state to mummies and bloodless vamps. Hrm...
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #4084 on: October 17, 2010, 04:34:49 pm »

Well, yeah.  The mummy's free channeling is the only thing that makes them playable.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #4085 on: October 17, 2010, 06:13:29 pm »

So... Anyone know what the best way to heal as a Deep Dwarf is? I'm a Chaos Knight of Makhleb, but the healing I get from killing doesn't seem very reliable at all, getting maybe 1 HP every 10 or so kills, or around 5 HP after a tough fight(which can cost me much more HP than I gain). I had a small supply of healing potions and potion of heal wounds, but I just faced a Wyvern which hit so hard I had to burn through all of my potions in that single fight. So now I'm at about 1/3 HP, with no healing potions left, wondering what exactly to do if another tough beastie comes along.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #4086 on: October 17, 2010, 06:25:18 pm »

Vampiric drain's usually a pretty sure shot and is pretty low hanging fruit. You've got a healing wand and that 1 mp a recharge isn't too terrible if you use it sparingly. Iirc, Makkie's healing doesn't really 'kick in' until you start being able to take out decent HD critters without taking much or any damage. The healing is based on the HD of the monster you take down, so far as I know. You'll want a touch of necromancy and that spell, in all honesty.

If you're running heavy armor, well, you're probably screwed anyway. Dump whatever useless piece of junk you're wearing now, get a decent ring mail, and train up some necromancy.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #4087 on: October 17, 2010, 06:31:06 pm »

I can't seem to learn spells though. I have a book of fire magic(only spellbook I've found) but when I try to read it I just get the message that I can't use book magic, scrolls only for now. Even if I could use magic, I don't know where I would find a necromancy book other than randomly...

Using Ring Mail right now, though it's only +0. I haven't found any enchanted armor this whole game(though I did get a nice +3 dire flail of venom).
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #4088 on: October 17, 2010, 06:47:29 pm »

If you read enough scrolls with XP in your pool, you'll eventually get the level 1 spellcasting required to use books.
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« Reply #4089 on: October 17, 2010, 06:49:35 pm »

Yeah, that just means you haven't picked up the spellcasting skill yet. Read scrolls (preferably useless ones, just to get rid of the things.) when you've got some spare XP. Eventually you'll manage to get the first level of spellcasting and can go from there.

As for the spellbook thing... yeah, that's an issue. You're pretty bloody likely to find the one you need once you start cracking the branch end vaults, but surviving to get to do that can be an issue. One of the reasons a great deal of DDs start off as necromancers regardless of how they actually intend to play.

Ring mail's pretty much the best non-dragon armor for casters intending to use anything besides robes, I think. Leather armor works too, but doesn't train the armor skill as well.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #4090 on: October 17, 2010, 06:59:25 pm »

I thought leather armor doesnt train that at all, or did that change?

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« Reply #4091 on: October 17, 2010, 07:01:13 pm »

Even robes train armour, don't they?  Just unbelievably slowly.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #4092 on: October 17, 2010, 07:07:25 pm »

I've never gotten an armor level wearing just robes... leather will get a few a few levels in. Won't get nearly as high as actual, yanno', armor, but it's there.

Checking, though, the answer is apparently yes, robes can train the skill. It's just... not very likely. 1 in 1000 chance to train per 20 turns, or 0.3% chance when getting hit. A train, of course, doesn't mean a level, just some experience into the skill.

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The chance of exercising the armour skill when a monster hits and deals more than 0 damage is equal to: (body armour weight)/2000 and is capped at 50%. You have an equal chance of exercising it one or two units.
The armour skill also has a (body armour weight)/6000 chance of being excersied 1 point every 20 turns or so. This chance is capped at 1 in 6.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #4093 on: October 17, 2010, 07:17:57 pm »

I think I have once got it from wearing robes... very late on.  I was kindof surprised.
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« Reply #4094 on: October 17, 2010, 08:02:44 pm »

Yeah, that just means you haven't picked up the spellcasting skill yet. Read scrolls (preferably useless ones, just to get rid of the things.) when you've got some spare XP. Eventually you'll manage to get the first level of spellcasting and can go from there.

Does reading scrolls of paper over and over again count for training it?
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