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Author Topic: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.  (Read 1683027 times)

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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #3225 on: July 23, 2010, 12:30:03 am »
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I heard that Jiyva was useful in Sprint, so I decided to try it out. I played a spell-less HaAs and the results were surprising. Jiyva is a very good choice if you're playing the 2nd Sprint map. There are a lot of eye-type monsters on the map, especially near the Orb.

Joining Jiyva let's you turn them all neutral. This is wonderful if you're a stabber, since you can abuse their effects. Slimify is a pretty nifty ability as well. I turned a couple of uniques into spell casting slimes. I almost managed to win, but I died just a few squares away from the staircase.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #3226 on: July 23, 2010, 12:34:39 am »
Quote from: quinnr on July 22, 2010, 11:37:33 pm
GAH. I forgot, what is the options setting for animating movement?

I... what? You can animate move... what? What version is this? Tiles, ASCII, CAO, CDO?

Trawling through the options file, the closest I can find is the travel_delay setting? That set to -1 will make you blink places, apparently? You won't see movement, or something. The seeming default is 20. Trying searching around the options_guide.txt in a non-server version? Your words have confused me...
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #3227 on: July 23, 2010, 12:38:33 am »
Travel_delay. That's what it was.
Thank you!

(It is ASCII on one of the online servers. It doesn't animate movement from shift-x and auto-explore. And that really hurts my brain.)
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #3228 on: July 23, 2010, 04:05:03 am »
I fought Mara once, but it was with a spriggan assassin. I just walked up to her and tore her up like a pillowcase. The best way to kill things. :P
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #3229 on: July 23, 2010, 06:17:58 am »
By the way - trolls need a simile based attack.  Sure, "Eviscerate" is cool, but what am I eviscerating them like?
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #3230 on: July 23, 2010, 11:55:36 am »
It just means "Chop into tiny pieces" if you ask me.  Or maybe "tear you a new one".  Either of those work as a description of eviscerate.

I need help.  What do I do?

         #.########......##......    ZChris13 the Conjurer
         #.########......##......    Level 8 Deep Elf of Sif Muna
         #.....>.##......##......    Health: 35/35     ========================
         ######..##......##......    Magic:  26/27     =======================-
         ,,   #..##......#####+##    AC: 13            Str: 4
          *   #..##......#####.##    EV: 12            Int: 26
        *     #..##########......    SH:  0            Dex: 13
        #.###.#..#        #.##.##    Exp Pool: 1       Place: Dungeon:8
      * ..f..[..@#        #.##.##    Wp: a) short sword
        #.###.##*#   * ####......    Qv: l) 76 darts
           ,#. .*. ,,  ..........    Hungry
       ,    # #*...  ,,.......#.#
              #*####   ##.....#.#    Y _ elephant (wandering)
              #Y,,      #.....)..
         ,  , ##**      #........
      *     *     ,     #........
                        #........
_You aren't carrying any food.
_You start resting. A toadstool grows from a nearby corpse.
 Cast which spell? (? or * to list)
 Casting: Mephitic Cloud
 Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - elephant
 Aim: An elephant (hasn't noticed you)


And do I take strength or intelligence next level up?
« Last Edit: July 23, 2010, 12:01:17 pm by zchris13 »
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #3231 on: July 23, 2010, 12:03:17 pm »
You are an elf fighting an elephant. Dying is really the only option. Or mephetic cloud and hope it isn't immune to confusion.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #3232 on: July 23, 2010, 12:04:45 pm »
Yeah that's what I did, but now it has friends.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #3233 on: July 23, 2010, 12:22:05 pm »
Friends = more mephetic cloud. That spell pretty much ruins, uh, everything that isn't immune to it (which is pretty much all of the early game and a good chunk of the mid, or so I hear), at least in my experience. I kinda' suck, but getting to and through the lair generally isn't an issue when I've got that bloody spell. It just wrecks everything. Maybe back off to regen mana a bit, then go back to choking them to death, stabbing or throwing things at them occasionally. Confusion is a stone-cold beast.

Also, you need strength, I think, otherwise you apparently are at serious risk of statdeath. I vaguely remember someone quoting 10 or so as a minimum to avoid lolstatdeath annoyances, though it's probably less or something. I've never really gotten deep enough statdeath becomes a serious issue :P
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #3234 on: July 23, 2010, 01:03:03 pm »
Quote from: zchris13 on July 23, 2010, 11:55:36 am
It just means "Chop into tiny pieces" if you ask me.  Or maybe "tear you a new one".  Either of those work as a description of eviscerate.

I need help.  What do I do?

         #.########......##......    ZChris13 the Conjurer
         #.########......##......    Level 8 Deep Elf of Sif Muna
         #.....>.##......##......    Health: 35/35     ========================
         ######..##......##......    Magic:  26/27     =======================-
         ,,   #..##......#####+##    AC: 13            Str: 4
          *   #..##......#####.##    EV: 12            Int: 26
        *     #..##########......    SH:  0            Dex: 13
        #.###.#..#        #.##.##    Exp Pool: 1       Place: Dungeon:8
      * ..f..[..@#        #.##.##    Wp: a) short sword
        #.###.##*#   * ####......    Qv: l) 76 darts
           ,#. .*. ,,  ..........    Hungry
       ,    # #*...  ,,.......#.#
              #*####   ##.....#.#    Y _ elephant (wandering)
              #Y,,      #.....)..
         ,  , ##**      #........
      *     *     ,     #........
                        #........
_You aren't carrying any food.
_You start resting. A toadstool grows from a nearby corpse.
 Cast which spell? (? or * to list)
 Casting: Mephitic Cloud
 Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - elephant
 Aim: An elephant (hasn't noticed you)


And do I take strength or intelligence next level up?

when in doubt: RUN

look at it this way, when you run, you live.
when you fight, you might die, and dying is bad.

and you need at least 7 strength to avoid stat death
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #3235 on: July 23, 2010, 01:15:18 pm »
Just ran a test, and it would appear that water has no effect on lightning-damage spells like shock or static discharge.  Shame.

Can you imagine how awesome it would be to pull out a Rain ability from Fedhas, wait until everyone was nearby and then tear it up with a static discharge that electrified the whole pool?
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #3236 on: July 23, 2010, 01:35:41 pm »
Quote from: zchris13 on July 23, 2010, 11:55:36 am
It just means "Chop into tiny pieces" if you ask me.  Or maybe "tear you a new one".  Either of those work as a description of eviscerate.

I need help.  What do I do?

         #.########......##......    ZChris13 the Conjurer
         #.########......##......    Level 8 Deep Elf of Sif Muna
         #.....>.##......##......    Health: 35/35     ========================
         ######..##......##......    Magic:  26/27     =======================-
         ,,   #..##......#####+##    AC: 13            Str: 4
          *   #..##......#####.##    EV: 12            Int: 26
        *     #..##########......    SH:  0            Dex: 13
        #.###.#..#        #.##.##    Exp Pool: 1       Place: Dungeon:8
      * ..f..[..@#        #.##.##    Wp: a) short sword
        #.###.##*#   * ####......    Qv: l) 76 darts
           ,#. .*. ,,  ..........    Hungry
       ,    # #*...  ,,.......#.#
              #*####   ##.....#.#    Y _ elephant (wandering)
              #Y,,      #.....)..
         ,  , ##**      #........
      *     *     ,     #........
                        #........
_You aren't carrying any food.
_You start resting. A toadstool grows from a nearby corpse.
 Cast which spell? (? or * to list)
 Casting: Mephitic Cloud
 Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - elephant
 Aim: An elephant (hasn't noticed you)


And do I take strength or intelligence next level up?

http://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Elephant

Basically, they're yaks with nearly double the HP. Yes, escaping is the default option. For spell casters, I usually increase strength to 8 for normal games and 10 for 15-rune games.

Here are some useful tips:

http://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Demos'_Tip_of_the_Day

Note: I don't think LordSloth's weapon swap trick works anymore and a few of my archived tips don't work in 0.7.

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Quote from: Kagus on July 23, 2010, 01:15:18 pm
Just ran a test, and it would appear that water has no effect on lightning-damage spells like shock or static discharge.  Shame.

Can you imagine how awesome it would be to pull out a Rain ability from Fedhas, wait until everyone was nearby and then tear it up with a static discharge that electrified the whole pool?

Electric weapons can shock nearby enemies in water. I sometimes lure a group of yaks or ugly things into the water and zap them all at the same time. Though it doesn't do much damage.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #3237 on: July 23, 2010, 04:11:04 pm »
Quote from: Antioch on July 23, 2010, 01:03:03 pm
look at it this way, when you run, you live turn the corner into a pack of yaktaurs. Too bad you didn't have repel missiles up, what with running from the elephants. BAD END

Quote from: Antioch on July 23, 2010, 01:03:03 pm
look at it this way, when you run, you live turn the corner into the arms of a unique. Oh dear, distortion brand. Welcome to the Abyss! BAD END

Quote from: Antioch on July 23, 2010, 01:03:03 pm
look at it this way, when you run, you live turn the corner into a <INSERT TYPE> dragon. Whoops, don't resist that element yet. FWOOSH. BAD END

Quote from: Antioch on July 23, 2010, 01:03:03 pm
look at it this way, when you run slaughter puny non-confusion-resistant overgrown yaks, you live turn the corner into a pack of yaktaurs, only there's not elephants chasing you this time. Oh hey, you can step back and put up repel missiles! Oops. Unique was coming up behind you. Welcome to the Abyss! FWOOSH. BAD END

Alternate scenarios :P

Quote from: Antioch on July 23, 2010, 01:03:03 pm
and you need at least 7 strength to avoid stat death

Thank yooouuu. I'll have to remember that, it'll save some useless points on my characters.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #3238 on: July 23, 2010, 04:23:33 pm »
that is why I ALWAYS run back towards explored territory.
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Quote from: Delta Foxtrot on October 01, 2013, 04:05:19 am
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This raw flesh tastes delicious!

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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #3239 on: July 23, 2010, 04:29:58 pm »
Me tooo~

The yaktaur and dragon scenarios have both happened doing exactly that :(

Bloody spontaneous generation. They're like enlightenment era flies, only fire breathing.
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