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[quinnr]

...I hate Vehumet. I joined him, so then he lights his altar on fire and kills me.
I hate you!

[beorn080]

http://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Fountain#Fountain_of_Sparkling_Water

Only two of the bad effects are horrific, one, the mutation potion, could provide something nice, and there is a small chance of getting +stats.

[Dr.Feelgood]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

87db9af | Adam Borowski | 2010-06-21 22:40:17 +0200 Nerf Extension by allowing extending only spells you know. Extending a spell with cast chance <50% may fail. This stops the abuse of getting Lich Form or Dragon Form from a card or from Xom and extending it indefinitely. Also, there are no Might, Brilliance and Agility spells.

NO! Several of my tips got nerfed!  Bah! I'll find another way to worship a good god as a lich.

Anyway, a tournament in August sounds interesting. A Bay12 team sounds like fun.

I play fire elementalist a LOT but I'm not really a good player. I mean I play constantly, but whenever I reach that mid to end game wall I just sort of flop. If I'm not dead from something silly, I just don't want to go on anymore because I feel like I have no chance in hell.

So anyway, when you say you're going for some important spells, what would they be? If anybody else can answer this too then I'd be grateful. In fact as a fire elementalist, I focus only on fire/conjuration schools, I never branch out. Ever. Is this bad? What should I branch out to, and when, if anything? And are there any tips that can be repeated for somebody who just can't push out of the "easy" section of the game even if he wanted to?

I don't save scum either. I tried it but it made the game boring, so I immediately stopped.

Useful spells:

Iron Shot - Very powerful, but inaccurate. This should be your main attack spell for the end-game.
Mystic Blast - Use this on any creature that resists your fire spells. I consider this to be a staple mid-game spell.
Sticky Flame - Efficient killing spell for most of the mid-game. It starts to become less useful when stroger monsters start appearing (like yaktaur captains and stone giants).
Haste - Train enchantments to 15 for this spell. It doubles the speed of your actions.
Blink - Spell casters shouldn't let monsters get close to them.
Apportation - I love grabbing the Orb without confrontation. It's a nifty spell with a lot of uses.
Repel Missiles - You need a spell like this. Keep it active at all times. Upgrade to Deflect Missiles if you can.
Regeneration - Reduce your resting time.
Swiftness - Travel around the dungeon faster.
Selective Amnesia - Forget a spell and learn a new one.
Mephitic Cloud - Overpowered spell.
Levitation - Travel across deep water and lava without dying.
Extension - Keep your buffs on permanently.

1. How do I break glass walls? Wand of Digging?
2. Is it worth breaking a glass wall to get a "Fountain of Sparkling Water", and what does this fountain do?

1. Lee's Rapid Deconstruction
2. No, it causes random potion effects.

[beorn080]

I'm game. I've been doing FAR better then I have been lately, so if there's an open spot, I'll probably jump in.

Oh, I just started a Deep Elf Wanderer. Started with 4 spellcasting, 4 enchantment, 2 fire magic, Shock memorized, and a book of Minor magic, Summon variety. This might be fun.

[quinnr]

Thanks for the help.
 
Also, I still hate Vehemet.

And that blue g of doom. I trapped him behind a Conjure Flame, sent a FULL MP BAR OF MAGIC MISSILES AND THROW FLAME, and still he killed me. Damn..

A tournament might be nice, but the most I can do is get to the lair, so I'd be a waste of a spot on the team. :p
I shall train! :p

[beorn080]

Oh god. I had something invisible trapped behind a flame, and I spammed everything I had at it. Insanely fast bugger too.

[quinnr]

Oh god. I had something invisible trapped behind a flame, and I spammed everything I had at it. Insanely fast bugger too.

Invisible things suck when they aren't behind a flame.
They tend to kill me a lot..

EDIT: I just remembered you can spellcast without monsters there. Should I be doing this when there is invisible people?

[quinnr]

Staff of Wizardry on D:2, right next to a Ring of See Invisible. I also read-IDed Scroll of ID on the first try. I have the feeling this game will be lucky.

[beorn080]

Yeah. If you know its vulnerable to poison, spam Mephetic cloud everywhere. If your in a corridor, spam your best attack spell at it.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.6.0 character file.

111 Harold the Magician (level 3, -4/17 HPs)
             Began as a Deep Elf Wanderer on June 30, 2010.
             Slain by a giant frog (5 damage)
             ... on Level 2 of the Dungeon.
             The game lasted 00:09:04 (1859 turns).

Harold the Magician (Deep Elf Wanderer)                         Turns: 1859, Time: 00:09:05

HP  -4/17        AC  3     Str  8      Exp: 3/69 (0), need: 28
MP   1/11        EV 11     Int 23      God: No God
Gold 63          SH  0     Dex 12      Spells:  6 memorised,  1 level left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : .   a - +0 elf dagger
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : .   q - +0 elf robe
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .   (no shield)
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : .   f - +0 helmet
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   (no cloak)
Spirit.Shd: .                        (no gloves)
Sust.Abil.: .       Rnd.Telep. : .   (no boots)
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   (no amulet)
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .   h - ring of regeneration
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: .   e - +3 ring of intelligence

@: slightly resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: no striking features
a: no special abilities


You were on level 2 of the Dungeon.
You were near starving.

You visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and saw 2 of its levels.

You collected 13 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +0,+0 elven dagger (weapon)
 b - a +0,+2 sling
 o - a +3,+3 dwarven hammer
Missiles
 j - 7 poisoned +0 orcish arrows
 p - 10 poisoned +0 needles
 r - 21 +0 stones (quivered)
 s - 24 +2 dwarven bolts
Armour
 f - a +0 helmet (worn)
 q - a +0 elven robe (worn)
Comestibles
 d - 2 bread rations
Scrolls
 g - 5 scrolls of detect curse
 i - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 k - a scroll of enchant armour
 l - a scroll of curse armour
 m - a scroll of remove curse
 n - 2 scrolls of identify
Jewellery
 e - a +3 ring of intelligence (left hand)
 h - a ring of regeneration (right hand)
Books
 c - a book of Minor Magic [summ]   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Magic Dart                        Conjuration                  1
   *Summon Small Mammals              Summoning                    1
   *Blink                             Translocation                2
   Repel Missiles                     Enchantment/Air              2
   *Slow                              Enchantment                  3
   Call Canine Familiar               Summoning                    3
   *Mephitic Cloud                    Conjuration/Poison/Air       3
   
 t - a book of Unlife   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Sublimation of Blood               Necromancy                   2
   Animate Dead                       Necromancy                   4
   Twisted Resurrection               Necromancy                   5
   Borgnjor's Revivification          Necromancy                   5
   Excruciating Wounds                Enchantment/Necromancy       5
   Simulacrum                         Ice/Necromancy               6
   


 You had 0 experience left.

   Skills:
 - Level 1 Traps & Doors
 + Level 5 Spellcasting
 + Level 4 Conjurations
 + Level 4 Enchantments
 - Level 2 Fire Magic
 - Level 1 Invocations


You had one spell level left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power          Success   Level
a - Shock                 Air/Conj       ###..          Excellent   1
b - Magic Dart            Conj           ####.          Excellent   1
c - Slow                  Ench           ####......     Great       3
d - Mephitic Cloud        Pois/Air/Conj  ##........     Good        3
e - Blink                 Tloc           N/A            Very Good   2
f - Summon Small Mammals  Summ           #....          Very Good   1


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (2/27)           

Altars:
Trog

Annotations
D:1 exclusion: 2 steam clouds

Message History

You blink.
As you read the scroll, it crumbles to dust.
You sense the presence of curses on your possessions.
The giant frog hits you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The giant frog hits you.
You die...

#.#
#.#
#.#
#.#
#.#
#F#
#.#
#.#  ##############
#.#  #...F@.......#
#.####.##########.#
.........%..#   #.#
#.####.####.#   #.#
#.##.#.#  #.#   #.#
#.##.#.#  #.#   #.#
#.##.#.#  #.#   #.#
#.##.#.####.#   #.#
#.#.........#   #)#


You could see a giant frog.

Vanquished Creatures
  A snake (D:2)
  A giant gecko (D:2)
  6 giant bats
  3 giant cockroaches
  3 hobgoblins
  5 kobolds
  A giant newt (D:2)
  6 goblins
  3 jackals (D:2)
  7 rats
  2 small snakes (D:1)
  A toadstool (D:1)
39 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A toadstool (D:1)
1 creature vanquished.

Grand Total: 40 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place   | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1     | Harold, the Deep Elf Wanderer, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1     | Reached XP level 1. HP: 9/9 MP: 5/5
     2 | D:1     | Learned a level 1 spell: Magic Dart
   104 | D:1     | Reached skill 1 in Conjurations
   244 | D:1     | Reached XP level 2. HP: 13/13 MP: 2/8
  1306 | D:2     | Reached XP level 3. HP: 15/17 MP: 4/11
  1311 | D:2     | Learned a level 3 spell: Slow
  1315 | D:2     | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud
  1318 | D:2     | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink
  1451 | D:2     | Reached skill 5 in Spellcasting
  1457 | D:2     | Learned a level 1 spell: Summon Small Mammals
  1805 | D:2     | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  1812 | D:2     | Noticed a giant frog
  1859 | D:2     | Slain by a giant frog

Goodbye Harold the wander. Stupid Giant Frogs.

[quinnr]

Nevermind. I found a Sigmund...maybe with see invisible...and MC...Wish me luck..

EDIT: HELL YA! I combined a Conjure Flame and MC..he went around a corner and I was low on MP, so I hit the 5 button, regained all MP..MC'd him again, and Throw Flamed him to death. Sweet, sweet victory.

[beorn080]

You'll walk over sigmund.

Ya'll should try wanderers, they aren't so bad.

[quinnr]

..............
STUPID FLIPPING GHOST.

Fire Elementalist ghost, it summoned tons of Spammals, along with some fireballs. I killed the ghost, but his summons raped me. Hate chu!

And sure, I'll try a couple wanderers. But I've had bad experiences with them...

[beorn080]

Thats why I delete the bones file EVERY time.

Incidentally. 7 spellcasting, 2 conjuration, Minor magic, flame wanderer. I started with more spell slots then my starting book required.

[Medicine Man]

Remember this Cuare tipped needle [Is that how you spell it?]+Sigmund=Dead Sigmund
Also has anybody else realised that the area around altars is usualy strange?I once saw a Trog altar with a book of clouds next to it [I had a scroll of blink and saved it before it was destroyed]and I think Kiku or somebody has a gas chamber altar [a room with one space in it and a human inside of it trapped in there with a lot of foul misama,they die and turn into a zombie]

[beorn080]

Yeah, I've been running into a lot of areas like that. One had a bear and a honeycomb in a cave looking setup, Xom alters in the dungeon are almost always completely random. Those Trog alters are just there to mock you though.