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[Mr.Person]

Personally, I think the current Lair is really easy and an obvious no-brainer to do it first or second.

[Robsoie]

My problem with sorcerers isn't that they're dangerous, it's that I go downstairs and immediately get paralyzed and beaten to death. Nothing wrong with losing a confrontation that you should have known better than to enter. Valve put it best in their discussion about the Sniper - nothing frustrates a player more than dying to something they couldn't control.

Ah yes, from that angle indeed i agree that's extremely frustrating.

Though i am not sure how this frustrating kind of thing (as it is never fun when it occurs) could be fixed. Because this is the result of a combination of bad luck in both the random generations of both the maze and the random location of the monsters that put such a paralyze capable monster that near to the stairs and that launch a successfull paralyse spell that manage to pierce through your current maic resistance level.

Maybe in the random monster generation, removing the possibility of a paralyze-capable monster in the immediate vicinity of the stairs in the 1st floor loading may be possible,
I don't know if the dev team is open to suggestions, but seems like a good one, because i can't imagine any player that would find "fun" to be paralyzed on the spot just by arriving on a new floor without being able to do anything.

note : instead of save scumming, you can select to enter the wizard mode at any time by pressing the & key and accepting the wizard mode.
In this mode, when your character is killed, you can decide to not accept its death and revive him immediately where he stands.

[Grendus]

I can think of two good ways to solve the paralysis problem. Either make the spell take multiple rounds to cast, thus removing the problem with being paralyzed before you even know there's a paralyze capable monster nearby or give the player a saving throw based on their highest attribute every round to reduce the duration. Either that or up the cost of paralyze capable monsters so they don't get placed in giant packs of orc warriors.


Back on topic though, I drank a potion of mutation and gained tough skin, agility (which bumped up my evasion), and carnivore. Best potion ever.

[Robsoie]

Mutations can be very fun.
It's not everydays you can have a troll berzerker capable of this :


I miss that troll, lost it in revisiting the last Vault floor to see if i could find another golden dragon for its skin.

[Grendus]

Yea, my last troll got lucky and found some golden dragon armor, plus one of the skin mutations. I think I lost him on Elf:7, many times.

Raided hive. My Eveningstar of Holy Wrath is now +3/+7. Gotta love all the scrolls of enchant weapon. Also found a cloak of preservation and a metric ton of honycomb and royal jelly. Awesome.

Edit: Food is a bit awkward. I just ate a whole yak and I'm barely full.

[Mindmaker]

So is it true that even non glowing, non runed weapons found in an dugenon can have some kind of enhancement?

[forsaken1111]

So is it true that even non glowing, non runed weapons found in an dugenon can have some kind of enhancement?

I am pretty sure that I have found non-glowing/rune weapons which were magical.

[Mr.Person]

Regular items can be enchanted, but only glowing/runed/whatever items can have egos such as "of magic resistance" or "of holy wrath".

[forsaken1111]

can a 'glowing' or 'runed' item be a randart or are they always 'shiny' etc

[Grendus]

Non-glowing/runed items can be enchanted, but they rarely go past +1. Runed, at least the ones I found in orc, tended to be +0/-1, so don't get your hopes up. Glowing, on the flipside, tend to have at least one +1, with the very rare chance of a powerful enchanted item (glowing dwarven platemail turned out to be +4 of fire resistance). Shiny tends to be hardcore awesome, so if you see one get it.

[beorn080]

If you want to be through, gather up all the weapons you find, and drag the pile with you. When you get a detect curse, pick up the pile and read it. Drop anything cursed, then equip everything. If anything has a brand, you'll find out.

[Grendus]

Just be careful, weapons branded with distortion are a bit... dangerous to unequip.

[quinnr]

Found the Orc Mines for the first time, was doing awesome, found 3 shops, and was an Ice Wizard.

There were TONS of them around the stair. I went over one square to what I thought was an up stair (But it was a down stair. FACE-DESK!). Then instead of going down I went back to the up stair. A single Orc Knight followed me. Instead of running, I tried to spell him to death with some Throw Ice. Instead he 2 hit killed me. (Including my drinking a potion of healing before the second hit.)

[Mr.Person]

can a 'glowing' or 'runed' item be a randart or are they always 'shiny' etc

Randarts have their name in bright white while regular items are in a light blue. Sadly, sometimes randarts get generic descriptions like "shiny", "glowing", or even sometimes "runed". Also, I think the kind of descriptor on the item has no impact on the actual quality of the item, but I could be wrong about that. I'm just not sure, really.

[Simmura McCrea]

I just had my third best run with a centaur monk. Died on D12 to an elephant slug. The only two characters better were a Mountain Dwarf Berserker, who died to poison and a Spriggan Venom Mage who died of asphyxiation.

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.6.0 character file.

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7230 Simmura the Grappler (level 10, -4/70 (82) HPs)
             Began as a Centaur Monk on June 18, 2010.
             Was a High Priest of Makhleb.
             Slain by an elephant slug (31 damage)
             ... on Level 12 of the Dungeon.
             The game lasted 00:38:11 (11081 turns).

Simmura the Grappler (Centaur Monk)                Turns: 11081, Time: 00:38:11

HP  -4/70 (82)   AC  8     Str 17 (18) Exp: 10/9732 (1), need: 1131
MP   6/6         EV 11     Int  9      God: Makhleb [*****.]
Gold 418         SH  0     Dex  8 (11) Spells:  0 memorised,  9 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : .     - Unarmed
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : .   d - +0 orc robe
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .   (no shield)
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : .   b - +0 winged helmet
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   a - +2 cloak
Spirit.Shd: .                        (no gloves)
Sust.Abil.: .       Rnd.Telep. : .   (no barding)
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   w - amulet of the gourmand
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .   B - ring of wizardry
Gourmand  : +       Ctrl.Flight: .   n - +5,+3 ring of slaying

@: very quick, somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, very unstealthy
A: fast metabolism 2, speed 2, deformed body 1, hooves, AC +3
a: Minor Destruction, Lesser Servant of Makhleb, Major Destruction, Greater
Servant of Makhleb, Renounce Religion


You were on level 12 of the Dungeon.
You worshipped Makhleb.
Makhleb was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and saw 13 of its levels.

You collected 418 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 e - a +0,+2 short sword
Armour
 a - a +2 cloak (worn)
 b - a +0 winged helmet (worn)
 d - a +0 orcish robe (worn)
Magical devices
 f - a wand of confusion (2)
 o - a wand of draining (4)
 t - a wand of confusion (12)
 u - a wand of paralysis (5)
 v - a wand of digging (8)
 z - a wand of teleportation (11)
 E - a wand of paralysis (9)
 F - a wand of healing (3)
 I - a wand of polymorph other (11)
Scrolls
 c - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
 g - 2 scrolls of blinking
 h - 4 scrolls of detect curse
 j - 4 scrolls of teleportation
 k - 5 scrolls of fog
 q - a scroll of enchant weapon I
 x - 3 scrolls of remove curse
 A - a scroll of fear
Jewellery
 n - a +5,+3 ring of slaying (left hand)
 w - an amulet of the gourmand (around neck)
 B - a ring of wizardry (right hand)
 J - an uncursed amulet of resist corrosion
Potions
 i - 2 potions of agility
 l - 2 potions of levitation
 m - a potion of restore abilities
 s - 2 potions of decay
Books
 y - a book of Unlife   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Sublimation of Blood               Necromancy                   2
   Animate Dead                       Necromancy                   4
   Twisted Resurrection               Necromancy                   5
   Borgnjor's Revivification          Necromancy                   5
   Excruciating Wounds                Enchantment/Necromancy       5
   Simulacrum                         Ice/Necromancy               6
   
 G - a book of Summonings   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Abjuration                         Summoning                    3
   Recall                             Summoning/Translocation      3
   Call Canine Familiar               Summoning                    3
   Summon Ugly Thing                  Summoning                    5
   Shadow Creatures                   Summoning                    5
   Haunt                              Necromancy/Summoning         6
   Summon Horrible Things             Summoning                    8
   


 You had 1 experience left.

   Skills:
 + Level 6 Fighting
 + Level 5 Dodging
 - Level 1 Stealth
 + Level 12 Unarmed Combat


You had 9 spell levels left.
You didn't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (12/27)            Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (0/4) D:9
   Lair (0/8) D:12       
  Hive: D:11-16     

Altars:
Cheibriados
Fedhas
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Sif Muna
The Shining One
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin

Shops:
D:7: *!((  D:11: (  D:12: *


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have extremely tough skin (AC +3).
You have a very fast metabolism.
You cover ground very quickly.
Armour fits poorly on your equine body.
You have hooves in place of feet.


Message History

You hit the elephant slug. You kick the elephant slug.
The elephant slug is severely wounded.
You hit the elephant slug.
You kick the elephant slug, but do no damage.
The elephant slug is almost dead.
The elephant slug bites you!
You die...

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You could see 2 elephant slugs.

Vanquished Creatures
  3 hill giants
  A troll (D:8)
  6 yaks (D:10)
  A hippogriff (D:10)
  A hungry ghost (D:10)
  Duvessa (D:5)
  3 orc warriors
  5 ogres
  2 phantoms
  7 centaurs
  3 ice beasts
  2 big kobolds
  A yellow wasp zombie (D:11)
  A water moccasin (D:10)
  3 giant frogs
  A giant frog zombie (D:6)
  Blork the orc (D:5)
  4 killer bees (D:9)
  A wight (D:8)
  7 hounds
  7 imps
  A quasit (D:10)
  Dowan (D:5)
  A big kobold zombie (D:7)
  2 shadows (D:10)
  3 jellies
  Crazy Yiuf (D:5)
  4 orc priests
  2 scorpions
  A giant ant zombie (D:5)
  7 giant ants
  3 orc wizards
  2 iguanas
  A sheep (D:12)
  Ijyb (D:6)
  A mummy (D:10)
  8 snakes
  2 giant mites
  3 worms
  2 giant eyeballs
  5 giant mosquitos (D:6)
  16 giant bats
  4 giant cockroaches
  12 hobgoblins
  6 jackals
  27 orcs
  6 quokkas
  3 small snakes
  5 giant geckos
  6 giant newts
  9 goblins
  22 kobolds
  20 rats
  A toadstool (D:5)
249 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A kobold (D:11)
  3 rats
  2 toadstools
6 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 255 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place   | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1     | Simmura, the Centaur Monk, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1     | Reached XP level 1. HP: 16/16 MP: 0/0
   317 | D:1     | Reached XP level 2. HP: 23/23 MP: 1/1
   903 | D:2     | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  1053 | D:2     | Became a worshipper of Makhleb the Destroyer
  1304 | D:2     | Reached XP level 3. HP: 27/29 MP: 1/1
  1319 | D:2     | Reached skill 1 in Stealth
  1527 | D:2     | Acquired Makhleb's first power
  2234 | D:3     | Reached XP level 4. HP: 18/36 MP: 2/2
  2719 | D:3     | Reached skill 5 in Unarmed Combat
  2917 | D:3     | Acquired Makhleb's second power
  3398 | D:4     | Reached XP level 5. HP: 38/43 MP: 3/3
  4027 | D:4     | Acquired Makhleb's third power
  4039 | D:4     | Reached skill 6 in Unarmed Combat
  4291 | D:4     | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  4356 | D:4     | Reached XP level 6. HP: 47/49 MP: 3/3
  4402 | D:5     | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4416 | D:5     | Noticed Blork the orc
  4424 | D:5     | Defeated Blork the orc
  4585 | D:5     | Noticed Duvessa
  4588 | D:5     | Noticed Dowan
  4594 | D:5     | Reached XP level 7. HP: 27/57 MP: 4/4
  4618 | D:5     | Defeated Dowan
  4620 | D:5     | Reached skill 7 in Unarmed Combat
  4634 | D:5     | Defeated Duvessa
  4938 | D:5     | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
  4949 | D:5     | Defeated Crazy Yiuf
  6049 | D:6     | Acquired Makhleb's fourth power
  6077 | D:6     | Noticed Ijyb
  6092 | D:6     | Defeated Ijyb
  6287 | D:6     | Reached skill 8 in Unarmed Combat
  6573 | D:7     | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  6617 | D:7     | Found Cinet's General Store.
  6638 | D:7     | Reached XP level 8. HP: 64/64 MP: 5/5
  6680 | Temple  | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  6766 | D:7     | Found Maulaowe's Antique Weapon Emporium.
  6847 | D:7     | Found Giochegh's Weapon Shoppe.
  6978 | D:7     | Found Fealeuja's Distillery.
  7570 | D:8     | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  7611 | D:8     | Reached skill 9 in Unarmed Combat
  7749 | D:8     | Reached skill 5 in Fighting
  8304 | D:9     | Reached XP level 9. HP: 73/73 MP: 5/5
  8399 | D:9     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  8535 | D:9     | Acquired Makhleb's fifth power
  8885 | D:9     | Reached skill 10 in Unarmed Combat
  9375 | D:10    | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  9795 | D:10    | Reached skill 11 in Unarmed Combat
  9824 | D:10    | Reached XP level 10. HP: 55/68 MP: 6/6
 10293 | D:11    | Found Gracem's Weapon Emporium.
 10322 | D:10    | Reached skill 5 in Dodging
 10350 | D:10    | HP: 1/70 [orc/orcish mace (4)]
 10718 | D:11    | Reached skill 12 in Unarmed Combat
 11053 | D:12    | Found Skaor's Assorted Antiques.
 11064 | D:12    | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 11081 | D:12    | Slain by an elephant slug