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[Mr.Person]

...

What if the magic stick took "Fighting Spirit"?

Big stick is still better, it's just closer.

[ToonyMan]

Vampires are cool.  Too bad I died by snake POISON.

[quinnr]

Toony, if you are new to vampires, make sure to type shift A, then !.
It'll show you all sorts of fun things that happen depending on how thirsty you are.

Like when you are super hungry, you get all sorts of resistances and can transform to a bat.
When you are full, you regenerate health, but can't transform, no super resistances, etc.

[ToonyMan]

Yeah I already saw that menu.

[quinnr]

Okay, just making sure.

But yes, vampires are awesome.

[Grendus]

Troll ftw! I'm still working on my troll monk, I got to Elf 7 but can't clear the vault. The elf demonologists are tough, either they can get enough meatshields between me and them that the demons wear me out or they banish me to the abyss where I have to wander around in a foodless wasteland until I either luck out and find a gate or get killed by some ridiculously powerful demon (why can't my summoner summon those). Had a little better luck using my legendary decks, but I still got cornered, lucked out and drew the Tomb, then tunneled out into another Dark Elf Demonologist petting zoo. Splat (and yes, I rested in the tomb).


In general, I think playing races that don't have restrictions against eating their enemies raw are awesome. Trolls and kobolds are also fun, and a nice change of pace from the somewhat restricted class set of vampires. Ghouls... not so much, they're a little confusing.

[Morlacko]

Im doing this High Elf Crusader and just got the zerpentine rune on snake pits, cleared orcs hive, lair and dungeon till lvl 20.
What would you do next? (i was thinking in elfs, got repel misiles but only RF+ and RN+)
Best fun ever, they are just too soft but i think they got heavy potential since they are excellent casters and the kings of swords.
I love hybrid builds and this one can do it, along wiht merkfolks are the best.

I have ended the game 2 times now and its always easy to reach lvl 27 but the 2 times only with 1 skill at lvl 27...
Maybe this time i can reach 27 with dodge fighting and longswords maxed.

Spells:

Fire brand, ice brand, ozokubus armor, berzerk, haste, repel msl (the lvl 6 one, not the crapy lvl 2), Sinv, sumon butterflys, the anti summons spell (cant remmember the name), Regeneration,

a randart chainmeail, a +5+7 great sword (dont know what to wait to change it since shields mess my spells and most good longswords are 1 handed) +8+3 great sword of holy holyness, conservation cloack, a lot of stealth +....and well... 95 max hp... coupled with 18 armor and no shield. A, almos forgot, 32 evacion.

[quinnr]

Crusaders are fun...but I've never gotten that far. The farthest I've gotten is a little bit farther than Toony.

[Morlacko]

I was stuck near the first rune for most of the time i played Crawl.
I dont like to forgive or run, i like mi dungeons clea and mi exp as high as it can be... i think i share this with a lot of people, mostly new ones.
the more important thing is know what are the limits... for example, i never killed mi first ogre wihtout berserk or range. The use of wands and javalines is very important for this after surviving the first 10 explvls they become less importat so are there for the using early.
The first char i got to the end whas a deep el fire elementalist, i trained fire till stickyflame and then earth magic, once you get iron bolt all gets killed fast. faster with haste....
but before i could rise a wizzard i tryed deep dwarf necromancers and learned a lot about surviving, not being able to heal helped me to understand the need of not being hited.
Still now, i think deep elf fire elementalist is the strongest character i played.
In the other hand, all magic users need mephitic cloud like warriors need berzerker at the begining. Wizards habe it better this way, ice dep elf wizard, starts with trow frost, blink, magic misil (very usefull for extra evacion and ice recistant moobs) mephitic cloud and other things i dont remmeber.
Vehumet is the best godd for a conjurer. (forget sifmuna IMO)
after wining with this one i returned to MD berzerckers or figthers of Okawaru, being the last ones harder at the begining and realized that they have a very strong tendency to depend on luck.
Other very important thing must tell, is that almos all guides advice on changing to two handed axes at late, but this is WRONG. Shield is the best armor slot, i dont know the mechanics but i ended having about 70+ shield with a MD with a normal large shield and the blesig from TSO (wich is stronger as the shield skill and las longer the same way, not with invocation) and it seemed to block 70% of the hits, so, 70% less dmg... this cant be beated.

[quinnr]

...
What is this Ziggurat portal that wants tons of gold?

AH! THIS IS THE LEVEL WHERE I HAD THREE SHADOW IMPS AND TONS OF ZOMBIES.
I managed to kill the ghost, so the summons are gone...but now there are scary zombies all over.

[beorn080]

I'm pretty sure its an arena type deal with a run at the end. I think. I'm pretty sure there's good gear or something down there. I don't know. Back up and do it.

[Morlacko]

the zigurat is a 27 lvls deep small dungeon with NO rune and the best deals on hardware but the hardest fights on the game, also, you dont need to do it all as it gets harder slowly
Also: Angel room! not a good place to play undeads or demonspawn.

[quinnr]

Too late. I read the wiki, it's for really high level characters.
Also, I would need 3700 more gold to enter.

And I just died.
I was raped by a Orc Priest + Orc Wizard + Orc Warrior
I berserked with my crusader spell, but at low levels...you faint at the end of it.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.7.0-a0-983-g190414c character file.

829 Quinn the Cutter (level 6, 0/39 HPs)
             Began as a High Elf Crusader on May 13, 2010.
             Slain by an orc warrior
             ... wielding a +0,+0 orcish war axe
              (15 damage)
             ... on Level 6 of the Dungeon.
             The game lasted 00:20:17 (4398 turns).

Quinn the Cutter (High Elf Crusader)                Turns: 4398, Time: 00:20:17

HP   0/39        AC  6     Str 11      Exp: 6/767 (23), need: 12
MP  10/12        EV 13     Int 17      God:
Gold 293         SH  0     Dex 15      Spells:  3 memorised,  1 level left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : .   a - +0 elf short sword
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : .   b - +0 elf leather armour
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .   (no shield)
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : .   (no helmet)
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   (no cloak)
Spirit.Shd: .                        (no gloves)
Sust.Abil.: . .     Rnd.Telep. : .   x - +2 pair of elf boots
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   (no amulet)
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .   (no ring)
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: .   (no ring)

@: exhausted, very slow, slowed, somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments,
fairly stealthy
A: screaming 1, Str -1
a: no special abilities


You were on level 6 of the Dungeon.
You were not hungry.

You visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and saw 6 of its levels.

You collected 273 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +0,+0 elven short sword (weapon)
 k - a -1,+0 orcish dagger (quivered)
 D - a +3,+4 quarterstaff of chaos
Missiles
 w - 25 poisoned +0 needles
Armour
 b - a +0 elven leather armour (worn)
 x - a +2 pair of elven boots (worn)
Magical devices
 z - a wand of confusion (0)
 C - a wand of polymorph other (3)
 F - a wand of confusion (6)
Comestibles
 o - an apple
 B - a pear
Scrolls
 e - 5 scrolls of detect curse
 f - 3 scrolls of enchant weapon I
 g - 2 scrolls of identify
 l - 4 scrolls of remove curse
 m - a scroll of random uselessness
 r - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 s - a scroll of magic mapping
 t - 2 scrolls of recharging
 y - a scroll of enchant armour
 A - a scroll of fog
 E - a scroll of enchant weapon II
Jewellery
 G - an uncursed amulet of controlled flight
Potions
 d - a potion of blood
 h - a potion of heal wounds
 i - a potion of restore abilities
 j - 2 potions of speed
 n - 2 potions of magic
 p - a potion of levitation
 q - a potion of slowing
 v - 3 potions of healing
Books
 c - a book of War Chants   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Fire Brand                         Enchantment/Fire             2
   *Freezing Aura                     Enchantment/Ice              2
   Repel Missiles                     Enchantment/Air              2
   *Berserker Rage                    Enchantment                  3
   *Regeneration                      Enchantment/Necromancy       3
   Haste                              Enchantment                  6
   
Magical staves
 u - a staff of wizardry


 You had 23 experience left.

   Skills:
 + Level 3 Fighting
 + Level 6 Short Blades
 + Level 1 Armour
 + Level 4 Dodging
 + Level 2 Stealth
 + Level 2 Spellcasting
 + Level 3 Enchantments
 + Level 1 Ice Magic


You had one spell level left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power          Success   Level
a - Freezing Aura         Ice/Ench       ##........     Very Good   2
b - Berserker Rage        Ench           N/A            Very Good   3
c - Regeneration          Ench/Necr      ##........     Fair        3


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (6/27)           
Temple: D:4-7          Orc: D:6-11     

Altars:

Portals:
Ziggurat: D:5 (4990 gp)

Annotations
D:1 exclusion: 86 steam clouds


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You occasionally shout uncontrollably.
You are weak (Str -1).


Message History

The orc warrior misses you.
You hit the orc warrior, but do no damage.
The orc warrior is lightly wounded.
The orc warrior hits you with an orcish war axe!
You miss the orc warrior. The orc warrior misses you.
The orc warrior hits you with an orcish war axe!
You die...

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You could see an orc warrior.

Vanquished Creatures
  The ghost of Qull the Caller, an average SESu (D:5)
  A giant frog (D:4)
  A hound (D:5)
  2 imps (D:5)
  Crazy Yiuf (D:3)
  A hound zombie (D:5)
  An orc priest (D:6)
  An orc wizard (D:5)
  A hound skeleton (D:4)
  2 giant ants
  Jessica (D:3)
  A manes (D:5)
  A midge (D:5)
  6 snakes
  A worm (D:6)
  A snake skeleton (D:4)
  A white imp (D:5)
  An ufetubus (D:5)
  A giant gecko (D:3)
  3 giant cockroaches
  12 goblins
  11 hobgoblins
  2 jackals (D:1)
  7 orcs
  3 small snakes
  15 giant bats
  5 giant newts
  A jackal skeleton (D:4)
  15 kobolds
  11 rats
  A rat skeleton (D:5)
  2 toadstools
114 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A giant newt (D:2)
  3 toadstools
4 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 118 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place   | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1     | Quinn, the High Elf Crusader, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1     | Reached XP level 1. HP: 12/12 MP: 1/1
   281 | D:1     | Reached XP level 2. HP: 14/17 MP: 2/4
   287 | D:1     | Learned a level 2 spell: Freezing Aura
   891 | D:1     | Reached XP level 3. HP: 4/23 MP: 2/5
  1427 | D:2     | Reached skill 1 in Armour
  1913 | D:2     | Learned a level 3 spell: Berserker Rage
  2171 | D:3     | Reached skill 1 in Stealth
  2384 | D:3     | Reached XP level 4. HP: 28/28 MP: 5/8
  2428 | D:3     | Noticed Jessica
  2448 | D:3     | Defeated Jessica
  2497 | D:3     | Reached skill 4 in Short Blades
  2782 | D:3     | Noticed Crazy Yiuf
  2795 | D:3     | Gained mutation: You occasionally shout uncontrollably.
  2796 | D:3     | Gained mutation: You are weak (Str -1).
  2799 | D:3     | Defeated Crazy Yiuf
  3124 | D:4     | Reached XP level 5. HP: 29/34 MP: 8/9
  3250 | D:4     | Reached skill 5 in Short Blades
  3484 | D:5     | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3494 | D:4     | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration
  3557 | D:5     | Reached XP level 6. HP: 33/39 MP: 8/12
  3592 | D:5     | Reached skill 1 in Ice Magic
  3601 | D:5     | Reached skill 6 in Short Blades
  3665 | D:5     | Found a gateway to a ziggurat.
  3677 | D:5     | Noticed Qull's ghost
  3717 | D:5     | Defeated Qull's ghost
  4398 | D:6     | Slain by an orc warrior

Was my best game so far though!
(Got cursed equipment twice, thankfully use identified the Remove Curse and Identify Curse scrolls on the first two tries. Identify shortly after.)

[Morlacko]

usually,if you cant pay it, you can beat it, that amount of gold is obtained near max lvl unless you didnt spend any money in the run.

[Grendus]

Less unlikely than you'd think. I've had 3700 by the time I cleared orc unless there was something good in the stores - and there usually isn't. Most of the gear is sub-par, and unless there's a nice magic trinket like missing resistances or an amulet of control teleport (I need one bad, I have a cursed ring of teleport but I can't find a remove curse scroll or an amulet) there's really not much to buy aside from potions and scrolls.