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[Mr.Person]

If an orc priest is at the edge of your LoS, you can safely run. They won't smite if it means letting you leave their LoS.

[Grendus]

Running isn't usually an issue. It's killing the little green jerks that can be a problem. Best way is to separate them from their melee backup then either get up close for melee or hit them with strong magic.

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

I find them easier to take on out in the open because the spammals just swarm them and get a quick kill in before they can smite me.

[Anticipation]

Speaking of Orcs.. I think I see where I made my mistake here. Check out my map =(

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.5.2 (crawl-ref) character file.

3215 Heracule the Cleaver (level 9, -15/76 HPs)
             Began as a Mountain Dwarf Fighter on Apr 9, 2010.
             Was a Follower of Yredelemnul.
             Demolished by an orc warrior
             ... wielding a -1,+1 orcish great mace (20 damage)
             ... on Level 10 of the Dungeon.
             Administrator's game lasted 01:27:05 (8567 turns).

Heracule the Cleaver (Mountain Dwarf Fighter)             Turns: 8567, Time: 01:27:05

HP -15/76        AC 14     Str 26      Exp: 9/4502 (1), need: 580
MP   3/5         EV  1     Int  9      God: Yredelemnul *
Gold 64          SH  8     Dex 11      Spells:  0 memorised,  8 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : .   j - +3,-1 hand axe (chop)
Res.Cold  : + . .   Warding    : .   M - +1 scale mail of Monotheism {Str+3}
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .   c - +0 dwarf shield
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : .   l - +0 cap
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   (no cloak)
                                     i - +0 pair of gloves
Sust.Abil.: .       Rnd.Telep. : .   (no boots)
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   (no amulet)
Res.Slow  : .       Levitation : .   H - +5 ring of protection
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: .   F - ring of Nogiad {rC+ EV-7}

@: exhausted, very slow, slowed, somewhat resistant to magic, extremely unstealthy
A: Int +1, Dex +1
a: Animate Remains, Renounce Religion


You were on level 10 of the Dungeon.
You worshipped Yredelemnul.
Yredelemnul was pleased with you.
You were very hungry.

You visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and saw 11 of its levels.
You visited 1 portal chamber (including bazaars).

You collected 443 gold pieces.
You spent 397 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +0,-2 dwarven hand axe (quivered)
 j - a +3,-1 hand axe of chopping (weapon)
Armour
 c - a +0 dwarven shield (worn)
 i - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
 l - a +0 cap (worn)
 q - a +1 ring mail of poison resistance
 A - a +2 chain mail of poison resistance
 M - the +1 scale mail of Monotheism (worn) {Str+3}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   It affects your strength (+3).
Magical devices
 b - a wand of magic darts (7)
 n - a wand of confusion (
 y - a wand of random effects (10)
 C - a wand of confusion (10)
 J - a wand of frost (3)
 K - a wand of teleportation (11)
 Q - a wand of random effects (23)
Comestibles
 d - 2 bread rations
 e - 3 chokos
 h - a pear
 o - a sausage
 w - a meat ration
 E - a cheese
 O - an apple
Scrolls
 f - 5 scrolls of detect curse
 g - 2 scrolls of remove curse
 r - 5 scrolls of teleportation
 s - 2 scrolls of blinking
 v - a scroll of paper
 G - a scroll of magic mapping
 I - a scroll of fear
Jewellery
 k - an uncursed ring of wizardry
 t - an uncursed ring of poison resistance
 u - an uncursed ring of teleport control
 z - an uncursed ring of magical power
 D - an uncursed ring of life protection
 F - the ring of Nogiad (left hand) {rC+ EV-7}
   (You acquired it on level 7 of the Dungeon)   
   [ring of protection from cold]
   It affects your evasion (-7).
 H - a +5 ring of protection (right hand)
 N - the ring "Dodurphab" {rF+ EV+5 Str+2}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)   
   [ring of protection from fire]
   It affects your evasion (+5).
   It affects your strength (+2).
Potions
 m - 6 potions of healing
 p - 2 potions of restore abilities
 x - 2 potions of gain intelligence
 L - a potion of heal wounds
 P - a potion of invisibility
 R - a potion of resistance


 You had 1 experience left.

   Skills:
 + Level 7 Fighting
 + Level 12 Axes
 + Level 6 Armour
 + Level 7 Shields


You had 8 spell levels left.
You didn't know any spells.

Overview of the Dungeon

Branches:
Temple: D:7       

Shops:
D:5: (  D:8: (  D:9: [


                    Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

Your mind is acute (Int +1).
You are agile (Dex +1).


Message History

The orc warrior wields an orcish halberd.
You hit the orc warrior.
The orc warrior is lightly wounded.
The orc warrior hits you with an orcish great mace!
Your armour prevents you from hitting the orc warrior.
The orc warrior hits you with an orcish great mace.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *

.ooo.!.    #..#.#
ooooooo.   #..#.#
ooooooo    #..#.#
oooooo     #..#.#
o.ooo      #..#.##
 ooo       #..#...
 #o#       #......
##o##########.#.##
#.oooooo@.....#.#
#.#############.#
..            #.#
..            #.#
..            #..
..            #.#
..             .
 .


You could see 2 orc warriors and 5 orcs.

Vanquished Creatures
  A slime creature (D:
  Edmund (D:6)
  A big kobold (Port)
  3 ogres
  An ice beast (D:6)
  3 phantoms
  2 centaurs
  Sigmund (D:2)
  4 orc warriors
  3 giant frogs
  Blork the orc (D:6)
  2 giant frog zombies
  A big fish (Port)
  5 imps
  A wight (D:
  5 hounds
  An orc priest (D:6)
  9 orc wizards
  8 giant ants
  8 jellies
  A scorpion (D:5)
  11 snakes
  4 worms
  2 giant mites
  A green rat (D:4)
  A giant iguana zombie (D:7)
  13 oozes
  A giant eyeball (D:
  14 goblins
  3 grey rats
  16 hobgoblins
  8 jackals
  20 kobolds
  14 orcs
  4 quokkas
  14 giant bats
  15 giant cockroaches
  8 giant geckos
  2 giant newts (D:5)
  2 orc zombies (D:
  21 rats
  A rat zombie (D:6)
  4 small snakes
  2 fungi (D:
243 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A jelly (D:
  3 oozes (D:
  An orc zombie (D:10)
5 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 248 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place   | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1     | Heracule, the Mountain Dwarf Fighter, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1     | Reached XP level 1. HP: 16/16 MP: 0/0
   200 | D:1     | Reached XP level 2. HP: 12/22 MP: 1/1
  1099 | D:2     | Reached XP level 3. HP: 29/29 MP: 1/1
  1343 | D:2     | Noticed Sigmund
  1370 | D:2     | Defeated Sigmund
  1370 | D:2     | Reached XP level 4. HP: 17/38 MP: 2/2
  1671 | D:2     | Reached XP level 5. HP: 45/47 MP: 3/3
  2218 | D:3     | Reached skill 5 in Axes
  2515 | D:3     | Reached skill 5 in Armour
  2583 | D:3     | Reached skill 6 in Axes
  2592 | D:3     | Reached XP level 6. HP: 41/53 MP: 3/3
  3050 | D:4     | Found a glowing drain.
  3359 | D:4     | Reached skill 7 in Axes
  3388 | sewer   | Entered the sewers.
  3450 | sewer   | Reached skill 5 in Fighting
  3464 | sewer   | Reached XP level 7. HP: 48/60 MP: 4/4
  3482 | sewer   | Reached skill 5 in Shields
  3693 | D:4     | Reached skill 8 in Axes
  4185 | D:5     | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4307 | D:5     | Reached skill 9 in Axes
  4367 | D:5     | Reached XP level 8. HP: 42/66 MP: 5/5
  4727 | D:6     | Noticed Edmund
  4754 | D:6     | Defeated Edmund
  4807 | D:6     | Gained mutation: Your mind is acute (Int +1).
  4840 | D:6     | Noticed Blork the orc
  4873 | D:6     | Defeated Blork the orc
  5062 | D:6     | Reached skill 10 in Axes
  6438 | D:7     | Reached XP level 9. HP: 74/74 MP: 5/5
  6579 | D:7     | Identified a scroll of acquirement
  6580 | D:7     | Got a brightly glowing platinum ring
  6633 | D:7     | Identified the ring of Nogiad {EV-7} (You acquired it on level 7 of the Dungeon)
  6760 | Temple  | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  6914 | Temple  | Became a worshipper of Yredelemnul the Dark
  7475 | D:8     | Reached skill 11 in Axes
  7590 | D:8     | Gained mutation: You are agile (Dex +1).
  7738 | D:8     | Noticed a slime creature
  7821 | D:8     | Defeated a slime creature
  8026 | D:8     | Got a shimmering brass ring
  8027 | D:8     | Identified the ring "Dodurphab" (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)
  8168 | D:8     | Acquired Yredelemnul's first power
  8253 | D:9     | Bought the +1 scale mail of Monotheism {Str+3} for 397 gold pieces
  8353 | D:9     | Reached skill 12 in Axes
  8469 | D:10    | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  8567 | D:10    | Demolished by an orc warrior

From memory, that passage was filled with even more then I could see and running away wasn't an option because I was slowed =(

[Robsoie]

Those Orcs warriors can be very powerfull.
I lost a level 8 Paladin recently against one, after being forced to retreat (teleport) from 2 previous fights against other Orcs warriors.

When i began to think my Paladin was coming nicely (if it was not for hunger problem, as the damned random generator apparently thought it was funny to put fewer food in the dungeon than i ever saw), i had to understand that at level 7 then 8, he was never in position to defeat a single Orc warrior, while having got no problem so far with the wizards, priests and regular orcs.

Bad luck too, as i never found a single good long blade in that run, along extremely very few food.

[Grendus]

My summoners struggle with warriors as well. In tight corridors, I use snakes and try to poison them, then keep them off me with spammals while the poison burns them down. In open rooms, I use a mix of spammals, snakes, imps, and scorpions to take them in a straight fight.

I'm playing vamps atm. They can't die of hunger (and gain a mixture of strength and weakness from it), can always eat non-poisonous corpses, can bottle blood (like taking meat with you, except it spoils much slower), and bat form is very useful when you're a fragile caster. Makes food a non-issue. Unfortunately, something about the fangs makes all the gods think you're a bad guy, so only evil and neutral gods will let you worship them. Which is fine, because the evil and neutral gods are the better ones anyways (/sourgrapes)

[beorn080]

Note that bottle of blood are also excellent for use with evaporate. Gives you either steam, confuse, or poison, with no noneffects. Quite useful since you can get them from every clean corpse you pass by anyway.

[Robsoie]

Tested a bit a vampire necromancer, it is very nice to not bother with the hunger and focus more on the gameplay, the blood is much much more fun to manage than the ever hungry status of the other characters when out of luck->out of edible food.

I didn't take vampiric draining until way later, as i thought it would be redundant with my vampire.
But how much wrong i was, it is interesting at high level, much more reliable than Pain to inflict damage, as i was able to kill a Yak thanks to it in a corridor without any help from my animated undead troops.
Pain was then good for killing the fleeing Yak that was then out of range from the Vampiric Draining spell.

Probably an incredible luck though, but i prefered to not renew the experience with another Yak, it was just this Yak that cornered me ,)

While i was having fun, i met the main problem of my vampire necromancer : the imps.

They are always annoying and i noticed that Pain was useless , never managed to land a hit, and Vampiric Draining as well (instead of healing you khurt yourself when using it on a demon), the Imps resisted everytime.
While usually i wait until they blink and i run away letting them alone, it begin to be a huge pain when they find some items... and that's what killed my character.

An Imp after blinking out re-appeared few turns later, and began to shoot my vampire with fire arrow, and every turn fire arrow and blink nearer if i was going too far ... repeat until death.
No idea where he found this, but it dealt lots of damage.

Too bad i had no more teleport scroll, but i will have to add those pesky Imps now to the list of "to avoid as much as possible" monsters due to the items they can with luck find on the ground.

Now a question, for some spells like Pain by example, the wiki tells the damage formula, but for some spells , like Throw Fire there is no such thing.

Is there somewhere a more comprehensive references about the spells to get those kind of information ?

[Mr.Person]

Vampirism doesn't actually do additional damage. It heals and feeds you on successful hits, but its description specifically says it doesn't do extra damage.

Sometimes this page has information on specific spell damage. It's not great, but it's better than the shitty wiki.

[beorn080]

Vamp drain is VERY nice.

[Soadreqm]

Lately, I've been playing spriggan assassins. Thanks to the slow metabolism, you only have to care about food when you're casting spells and being able to outrun everything is totally awesome. No longer chased down by snakes! >:)

And once I get a few levels under my belt, I can actually hold my own in combat. Not that I have to, since I can just sneak up on everything. One shotting sleeping monsters is awesome. If there's a lot of them, I imagine they look like the Prince of Persia stealth kills, with me jumping all over the place and doing backflips just for the hell of it.

I'm still getting my ass handed to me by player ghosts and orcish priests, though. :|

[Leafsnail]

Ok, I'm loving this DEFe... or whatever a Deep Elf Fire Elementalist is.  I've got all the spells ('cept conjure flame... seems a bit pointless now that most monsters will just ignore it) in the basic book, and the level 6 ones are finally up to an acceptable standard ("Very Good").  Not that Sticky Flame hasn't obliterated anything and everything I've casted it at.

The other spell I have in my reportoire are Swiftness (real useful for escaping, I'm unskilled in enchantments, but it's still "Very Good").  The ones I currently have in my inventory that look tempting are Magic Dart (barely costs anything and would be nice for imps) and Corona.  Lightening Bolt and Static Discharge are also options, but they'd require a lot more investment in spell slots.  Bolt of Magma is also possible, but I'm not sure if it's really any different from Bolt of Fire.

[Mr.Person]

Bolt of Magma is weaker than Bolt of Fire. It's primary purpose is to train Earth Magic skill.

Magic Dart is an ok spell. It never misses, it's non-elemental, and the damage is ok for one mana. Sadly, after the mid-game, it's a waste of a spell slot.

Do you worship Vehumet or Sif Muna? If Vehumet, don't bother both with Magic Dart, you'll be getting Mystic Blast, a far better spell. If Sif, I'd go ahead and learn Magic Dart because it might be awhile before you get something better. You could learn Lightning Bolt instead, but that'll make getting Earth Magic skill harder in the long-run.

[Leafsnail]

Sif Muna.  I have the Selective Amnesia with her anyways, so... yeah.  Hopefully I'll start getting some gifts soon, I am a prized avatar, afterall.

Sif Muna is a pretty boring god, but nonetheless a rather useful one.  The MP thingy has come in handy a lot, as has the miscast protection.

[Leafsnail]

Uh, when you say Mystic Blast, do you mean Iskenderun's Mystic Blast?  Because I just got it as part of my first gift from Sif.