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[Graven]

Well, my memories of older Crawl versions are somewhat clouded by nostalgia. There's no question that the quality of life changes so far have been positive.

The content changes, on the other hand...

[Mathel]

I have returned to test out Trunk.

I will see what a Palentonga Delver can do.

Edit: Get killed on D:5 or D:4. That is pretty much it.

[FakerFangirl]

Or not being able to butcher because you were wielding a cursed club.

I started after the bad old days of victory dancing to advance your skills. I can't even imagine...

I didn't reach Lair until v0.17

[Aoi]

Ah, the good old days of stashing stuff on Lair:2 so that nothing could spawn and mess with your dragon armours

OMG I don't miss that. Or taking off your gloves, helmet, and boots to fight a slime. Or faffing around with diseased meat. Or not being able to butcher because you were wielding a cursed club.

I actually liked the perma-corrosion... but the pre-bootknife era is why I played a lot of trolls.

[ZeroGravitas]

food in a dungeon diver never made sense. in the history of roguelikes, roguelites, etc, etc, games that are dedicated combat delvers like DCSS mostly abandon food. the food stuff is rightly relegated to survival/sim games like CDDA and CoQ.

[Robsoie]

In DCSS food was mostly a way for the devs to limit the player spell usage (with the spell hunger system) despite there was already a mana and a miscast system in place.
Spell hunger was something that never affected npc/monsters, so i can only say good riddance to this.

[Frumple]

Wait, stone soup has ditched the food clock? That's almost enough to make me want to play it again...

[Graven]

Hunger clock mostly served to (initally) punish grinding, especially before the devs figured out what to do with OoD spawns. Whether or not losing food is a good idea will depend on what replaces it. A fixed-duration per-level clock is the start of an idea, but it doesn't solve the issue spell hunger was meant to.

On the other hand, since the removal of purple chunks (;_;) and corpse sacrificing (which in itself was underdevelloped to say the least), food was at best vestigial.

I'm genuinely curious what the current dev team's vision of a "final product" 1.0 DCSS looks like.

[Frumple]

I mean, not gon' lie, if they replaced the largely arbitrary pain in the arse food clock for an even more arbitrary clock, like, what little interest hearing about them yeeting the food clock out of the window generated in me would die a rapid and probably permanent death, heh. An explicit clock would at least remove the nonsense busywork eating involved, but it still leaves the friggin' clock itself.

Seriously, if you don't want to let people grind just nix whatever mechanic they're grinding. Let XP/favor/item gain stop after whatever point you think is too much. Clocks are a pain in the bloody arse.

[FakerFangirl]

Eating was already fully-automated.

[Cthulhu]

Hunger clock mostly served to (initally) punish grinding, especially before the devs figured out what to do with OoD spawns. Whether or not losing food is a good idea will depend on what replaces it. A fixed-duration per-level clock is the start of an idea, but it doesn't solve the issue spell hunger was meant to.

On the other hand, since the removal of purple chunks (;_;) and corpse sacrificing (which in itself was underdevelloped to say the least), food was at best vestigial.

I'm genuinely curious what the current dev team's vision of a "final product" 1.0 DCSS looks like.

DCSS 1.0
We've decided DCSS is a redundant choice vs. Nethack, and removed it.

[Damiac]

Hunger clock mostly served to (initally) punish grinding, especially before the devs figured out what to do with OoD spawns. Whether or not losing food is a good idea will depend on what replaces it. A fixed-duration per-level clock is the start of an idea, but it doesn't solve the issue spell hunger was meant to.

On the other hand, since the removal of purple chunks (;_;) and corpse sacrificing (which in itself was underdevelloped to say the least), food was at best vestigial.

I'm genuinely curious what the current dev team's vision of a "final product" 1.0 DCSS looks like.

DCSS 1.0
We've decided DCSS is a redundant choice vs. Nethack, and removed it.

Finally DCSS is perfect! There are zero no brainer choices, no spoilery content, no wrong ways for players to have fun!

[kulik]

I don't care what everyone says. You can't do Tomb without Shining One. 

[Graven]

Apparently the Trunk page is being updated again, so I grabbed a hungerless version. Toying around with Ogres and Trolls right now, will try to get an actual decent game during the weekend to report. Seems fun for now; I keep mashing C on every corpse from muscle memory.

Main concern is that while dying to hunger feels pretty bad, dying to an arbitrary clock is likely to feel far worse.

Also half the time I can't do Tomb even with TSO so

[kulik]

Also half the time I can't do Tomb even with TSO so

It just bugs me since I had a perfect gear - Firestarter great mace with full Rf and bunch of immolation scrolls. Everything kept exploding left and right, whole screen was on fire, and still...