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Author Topic: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.  (Read 1683501 times)

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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #13320 on: March 25, 2016, 04:30:40 pm »

It really is just overconfidence in my experience. Or more specifically, when I'm super paranoid because nothing is going my way I usually play better and live longer because I'm freaking out over every step, and I lose that edge if I get any drops in my favor.

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« Reply #13321 on: March 25, 2016, 05:02:40 pm »

I had a disgustingly lucky DsMo^Jiyva who met a fire dragon on L:7. I didn't even realize that was possible so I was mostly tabbing through and then when his health plummeted I finally noticed and tp'd away, right into a death yak pack.

When I asked about it in ##crawl, I was told that fire dragons aren't even supposed to spawn in L:7. It genuinely was bullshit.
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« Reply #13322 on: March 25, 2016, 06:07:10 pm »

I remember a short-lived run when I walked into a teleport trap and ended up in a dead-end wide corridor next to my ghost. Then my ghost slaughtered me (again) and there was literally nothing I could to about it.

Also, I've managed to find things like Red Dragon armor on D:1 but I always die early when I get those.
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« Reply #13323 on: March 25, 2016, 08:53:50 pm »

When I asked about it in ##crawl, I was told that fire dragons aren't even supposed to spawn in L:7. It genuinely was bullshit.
Well not exactly. You see, sometimes crawl likes to challenge you by spawning a monster that only appears deeper in the dungeon. These are called out-of-depth spawns. They are usually quite brutal (especially for a melee character), but if you manage to kill them, then due to the nature of crawl's levelling system you usually get a large boost to your skills, possibly levelling them up immediately.

These are an intentional mechanic.

TLDR: It's not a bug, it's a feature.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #13324 on: March 25, 2016, 09:13:35 pm »

Well yes, I'm aware of OOD spawns but I hadn't been on L:7 for more than 100 turns so it definitely wasn't a scumming OOD spawn and I'm pretty sure Fire Dragons are on the upper end if not at 9 levels OOD for L:7 so it was exceptionally bad luck, probably moreso than finding a CPA on D:1.
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« Reply #13325 on: March 25, 2016, 09:17:24 pm »

What does CPA stand for?
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« Reply #13326 on: March 25, 2016, 09:22:43 pm »

Crystal Plate Armor. 14AC, 23ER. They're basically the classic "I didn't want to go heavy armor this run but I got an early CPA so I felt obligated to".
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« Reply #13327 on: March 26, 2016, 01:37:59 am »

Crystal Plate Armor. 14AC, 23ER. They're basically the classic "I didn't want to go heavy armor this run but I got an early CPA so I felt obligated to".

Also known as: "That armor that Oka always gives a caster." (For those runs where I don't take Veh, Sif, or any of the more normal picks.)

Though I DID once get a +14CPA with SInv, +Regen and like -8slaying on a meleer once. -_-
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #13328 on: March 26, 2016, 04:15:41 am »

Out of curiosity, how good ARE amulets of faith, overall? Seems like the tradeoff of losing a third of your piety on taking it off is too big to make it worthwhile...
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« Reply #13329 on: March 26, 2016, 04:24:23 am »

Out of curiosity, how good ARE amulets of faith, overall? Seems like the tradeoff of losing a third of your piety on taking it off is too big to make it worthwhile...

I only use them with gods that have continuous rewards (Oka, Sif...), use their abilities a lot (Trog, Qaz...), or use them situationally (Kiku for only clearing the crypt, ditch it after so it doesn't matter).

Basically, I don't use them if I ever plan to take it off and keep that god.

Other question: Is there a way to view your morgue files on webtiles? I walked into the last floor of the slime pits, ~40AR/20EV/30SH/120HP, solid resistances, took two steps, and basically got instagibbed. Trying to figure out what on earth happened.

It really is just overconfidence in my experience. Or more specifically, when I'm super paranoid because nothing is going my way I usually play better and live longer because I'm freaking out over every step, and I lose that edge if I get any drops in my favor.

It's not even always deadly RNG that comes with lucky drops. Few runs back, I got a nice artifact whip of pain around D:3. Solid mods, but without any necromancy training, I stuck with my flail of crushing.

Fast forward about three hours, past Elven Halls, Shoals, Swamp and Vault. I STILL have not come across a book with any necromancy spells to train from. (Eventually just threw the thing out and kept my maxed eveningstar of freezing until death.)

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« Reply #13330 on: March 26, 2016, 04:32:59 am »

I know it'll save them during tournaments and you can see them from your clan's page, but I'm not sure about at other times.
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« Reply #13331 on: March 26, 2016, 05:33:35 am »

Well yes, I'm aware of OOD spawns but I hadn't been on L:7 for more than 100 turns so it definitely wasn't a scumming OOD spawn and I'm pretty sure Fire Dragons are on the upper end if not at 9 levels OOD for L:7 so it was exceptionally bad luck, probably moreso than finding a CPA on D:1.

A fire dragon in Lair was most likely placed by a vault. Are you sure it wasn't a fire drake, which do less damage but are still pretty dangerous in Lair due because of their speed?
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« Reply #13332 on: March 26, 2016, 03:47:50 pm »

Just played my first character in this game where I wasn't completely fumbling around trying to figure out the controls. Lasted long enough to have two or three moments that had me giggling, grinning and just excited to be doing epic.. Stuff. (I'm sorry about using Codrak and me interchangeably. I was just trying to type up my first real experience with this game. Not a writer.)

Codrak, my minotaur berzerker of Trog. Babies first toon. After trudging through the entirety of the lair, then realizing I needed to backtrack (And thus ending up entering the swamp.) I experienced what I felt to be a sudden difficulty spike. No longer was I cracking skulls in one or two swings while shrugging off damage as a beardling shrugs off morals. No, I was struggling. To my surprise, the swamp dragons and numerous hydra's I fought weren't what scared me, rather the giant sentient roses.. Creatures known as "Thorns". They would hit me for a large amount of damage extremely quickly from a range whilst summoning up bushes around me, restricting my movement and cutting off retreat. Regardless, I'd take on a more reckless tactic (AS A BERZERKER SHOULD) when facing these rose monstrosities, since I couldn't get away I'd just face-tank them and then weed wack, then deal with whatever miscellaneous monsters our spat had drawn about.
Through all this trog carried me. He granted me a great weapon with which to set things on fire, and smash. Much earlier on, I had found a magnificent suit of armor which QUITE OBVIOUSLY was due to him being pleased with me.
And yet the final trial, that which now see's Codrak, berzerker of Trog in his grave.. Not even the god of wrath could see me through it.

During my forays through the swamp I came across an orange (?) demon standing outside a structure. It had spotted me and charged rather recklessly across the swamps shallows. I retreat back somewhat, getting myself onto better footing before putting the creature down. Taking a quick jaunt around to make sure I've mapped out the rest of the area, I'm quickly drawn back to the building which this demon seemed to be guarding. I could see some.. Really nasty looking things in there. Regardless, I wanted to see what was inside. I approached.. And was quickly assaulted by small, green slimes. I had fought these before. If you crushed them before they had a chance to morph their bodies together, they were the easiest thing in the world to crush. Even if they did conjoin, they simply took a smash or two more. I pressed further in.. It looked fairly empty, so I began to approach the edge of one of the walls in the structure. The moment I turned it, I knew this was it.. The 'Ugly' creatures I said seen before were massed before me.. I believe two swamp dragons had also just turned the wall and cut off my retreat. Whether intentionally or not, they had still completely cornered me. We began to clash, me praying to the RNG god whilst Codrak screamed out his battlecries in Trog's name. Seeing that the battle was basically lost, I invoked berzerker rage. If Codrak was to fall here, his death would atleast be epic. The swamp drakes were payed back for cutting off his escape route.
Only as he was lying dead did I realize.. There were scrolls of teleportation as well as blink stuffed away in his bags.

This game is amazing.
Here is most of Codrak's morgue file, if anyone would like to look through it. And seriously, just LOOK at that freaking armour I found.

(And as a question in hindsight.. Would anybody have any idea what that building I saw was? It had purple ugly things, white ugly things, lots of orange demons, a few swamp drakes and a few other creepy crawlies that I'm fairly sure were also demons. Also 1 little group of slimes. To be clear, it was a SMALL looking building, but there was a LOT coming out of it. Maybe it was an infinite demon-spawning room? That'd be cool.)

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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #13333 on: March 26, 2016, 04:03:28 pm »

What floor of Swamp was it? You might've gotten to the rune vault--Impressive for a first-time player!

Also, yeah, Thorn Hunters don't take shit. I'd say they're probably the most dangerous thing in the Swamps for most players.
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« Reply #13334 on: March 26, 2016, 04:10:54 pm »

I THOUGHT it was floor 2. I wasn't in the swamp for a very long time. According to the morgue file though, I actually got to floor 4/4. So.. Likely the rune vault. I guess next time I get to that point, I'll spend wand and scroll uses more freely.. Might actually survive it XD

And naw, I got that far because I ran away a lot. I'd try to get only one thing to see me, run away a bit, kill it, go back, kill its friend. So on.
Except in the cases of things that I knew die quickly. Rats, bats, green slime. So on. Don't tell Trog though.
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