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[Rex_Nex]

If you aren't using a buckler/shield, switch to the exec. The difference between a broad and exec axe's base damage far outweighs the pros of having the elec brand vs antimagic.

In my opinion, antimagic is extremely useful for a Berseker. Most of the opponents that you actually have trouble with are casters or ranged - melee combatants are (almost always) eviscerated by berserking or quaffing might and the slightest amount of good positioning. Being able to devastate casters really limits what is going to be threatening. The only brands I'd take over antimagic are the vamp and speed brands (or cold if I'm in lair).

[tompliss]

With that said, is Beogh a good choice for a hill orc fighter?

Beogh is nice for Orc fighters.
He will provide you allies (converting orcs you meet, and sometime even summoning some for you), and those can help you deal damage (especially warriros/knights/warlords with polearms) and buffer enemis' attacks (taking some damage while you quaff potion or take care of another enemy).
He will also give you the "Smite" ability, that is similar to the Orc priests one : you deal unavoidable damage to an enemy, even if there are other in front of him. This ability has its damage increased by the Invocation skill.
He also increases your defences a bit, and provide you with a water-walk passive, when you become Orc-Jesus (6* piety).

[guessingo]

Is a longbow roughly equivalent to a crossbow?

[tompliss]

It depends on your strength.
I don't have any fixed value, but I would say that with a nice Strength (20+), longbow can be better than crossbow.
Even when searching in the official forum, I can't find any tests since the recent (few months old ?) update on ranged weapons.

[Retropunch]

It depends on your strength.
I don't have any fixed value, but I would say that with a nice Strength (20+), longbow can be better than crossbow.
Even when searching in the official forum, I can't find any tests since the recent (few months old ?) update on ranged weapons.

As the saying goes: NO ONE KNOWS HOW RANGED COMBAT WORKS!

Commonly Strength is the best thing to go for as a ranged character, unless you're going as a light/dodging char. and then you might want to be going the dex route (although make sure strength is still around 15-18).
In latest trunk ranged has been buffed significantly and Longbow needs only around level 12-15 (I think) to reach min. delay. Crossbows are really good though, especially with penetration/steel/silver bolts, and you can just pump it all into strength to be a walking, shooting tank.

 

[Mindmaker]

Ahh, this never stops being fun:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

@Bows:
Unless it got changed ~15 used to be the goto strength value for longbows. This is/was the value where you started to fully benefit from it's enchantment.

[Damiac]

Ranged combat was completely overhauled recently. 

Now, longbows are supposed to be quite good.
Crossbows, less so, but still good.
Slings are apparently worthless now.
Throwing weapons are really good now too, especially if you can throw large rocks, which, thanks to the weightless changes, you can carry as many as you want.

This is all in trunk, not 0.14

[miauw62]

R.I.P.
Is it a bullshit death, is it not a bullshit death, who knows. Not expecting things to hit you for 73 damage seems reasonable, but this is probably not a mistake I'll make again.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.1 (tiles) character file.

66656 Honk the Severer (level 14, -29/130 HPs)
             Began as a Minotaur Berserker on June 11, 2014.
             Was a High Priest of Trog.
             Annihilated by an enormous slime creature (73 damage)
             ... on Level 15 of the Dungeon on June 13, 2014.
             The game lasted 02:58:48 (21870 turns).

Honk the Severer (Minotaur Berserker)              Turns: 21870, Time: 02:58:48

HP -29/130       AC 22     Str 23 (24) XL: 14   Next: 72%
MP   8/8         EV  9     Int  4      God: Trog [*****.]
Gold 1958        SH  0     Dex 13      Spells:  0 memorised, 13 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis +     E - +1,+5 executioner's axe (antimagic)
rCold  + . .     Clarity  .     r - +5 plate armour {rC+}
rNeg   . . .     Conserve .     (no shield)
rPois  +         rCorr    .     (helmet restricted)
rElec  +         rRot     .     H - +0 cloak
SustAb . .       Spirit   .     (no gloves)
rMut   .         Warding  .     (no boots)
Saprov . . .     Stasis   .     U - amulet of faith
MR     ++...                    T - ring of sustenance
                                I - ring "Khaoz" {rElec rPois SInv Stlth++}

@: regenerating, exhausted, slowed, very slow, very resistant to hostile
enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, repulsion field 1
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion


You were on level 15 of the Dungeon.
You worshipped Trog.
Trog was extremely pleased with you.
You were very hungry.

You visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and saw 24 of its levels.

You collected 1958 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 E - a +1,+5 anti-magic executioner's axe (weapon)
 F - a +0 blowgun
 P - a +0,+4 broad axe of electrocution
Missiles
 j - 37 poisoned needles
 t - 8 darts of flame (quivered)
 M - 2 needles of sleeping
Armour
 r - a +5 plate armour of cold resistance (worn)
 H - a +0 cloak (worn)
Magical devices
 a - a wand of flame (3)
 b - a wand of draining (5)
 k - a wand of hasting (0)
 l - a wand of fire (2)
 u - a wand of lightning (0)
 z - a wand of cold (1)
 C - a wand of disintegration (7)
 V - a wand of paralysis (8)
Comestibles
 i - 10 meat rations
 w - 9 bread rations
 x - 7 pears
 K - 5 apples
 N - 13 cheeses
 X - a royal jelly
Scrolls
 e - 2 scrolls of fog
 m - a scroll of recharging
 p - 6 scrolls of remove curse
 R - a scroll of summoning
 S - 6 scrolls of teleportation
Jewellery
 c - an uncursed amulet of warding
 f - an uncursed ring of see invisible
 n - a +2 ring of evasion
 o - an uncursed ring of ice
 q - an uncursed amulet of resist mutation
 y - a +4 ring of protection
 A - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 B - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities {unknown}
 I - the ring "Khaoz" (left hand) {rElec rPois SInv Stlth++}
   (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of poison resistance]
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
 T - a ring of sustenance (right hand)
 U - an amulet of faith (around neck)
Potions
 d - 5 potions of agility
 g - 4 potions of brilliance
 h - 2 potions of heal wounds
 s - 2 potions of restore abilities
 v - a potion of cure mutation {unknown}
 D - 7 potions of curing
 G - a potion of invisibility
 J - 3 potions of haste
 L - 2 potions of confusion
 O - a potion of resistance
 Y - a potion of flight
 Z - a potion of might {unknown}
Books
 Q - a book of Transfigurations   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Stoneskin                          Transmutation/Earth          2
   Ice Form                           Ice/Transmutation            4
   Statue Form                        Transmutation/Earth          6
   Dragon Form                        Transmutation                7
   
   
   Trog disapproves of the use of such an item.


   Skills:
 + Level 13,9 Fighting
 * Level 18,4 Axes
 + Level 6,9 Throwing
 + Level 13,7 Armour
 - Level 2,1 Dodging
 - Level 1,0 Stealth
 + Level 10,8 Evocations


You had 13 spell levels left.
You didn't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:5             Orc (0/4) D:9
   Lair (8/8) D:10          Swamp (0/5) Lair:6       Spider (0/5) Lair:6
  Slime (0/6) Lair:7       Vaults (0/5) D:14       
Depths: D:15       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One

Shops:
D:11 =

Portals:
Bazaar: D:14

Annotations:
D:2 Sigmund
Lair:4 exclusion: 2 oklob plants
Lair:7 exclusion: oklob plant


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee.
You have a pair of horns on your head.
You are surrounded by a mild repulsion field (EV +2).


Message History

You chop the very large slime creature into pieces!!!
The very large slime creature is lightly wounded.
The very large slime creature hits you but does no damage.
You slice the very large slime creature like a ripe choko!!!
The very large slime creature is heavily wounded.
You are no longer berserk.
You are exhausted.
You feel yourself slow down.
You are feeling very hungry.
Two slime creatures merge to form an enormous slime creature.
You slice the enormous slime creature!!
You headbutt the enormous slime creature!
The enormous slime creature is heavily wounded.
The enormous slime creature hits you!
You slice the enormous slime creature!!
You headbutt the enormous slime creature, but do no damage.
The enormous slime creature is heavily wounded.
The enormous slime creature hits you!
Ouch! That really hurt!
You die...

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You could see a purple very ugly thing and an enormous slime creature.

Vanquished Creatures
  10 hydras
  Fannar (Lair:2)
  2 dancing weapons (D:14)
  A tengu warrior (D:9)
  A deep troll shaman (Lair:8)
  2 death yaks (Lair:8)
  A very ugly thing (D:15)
  3 centaur warriors
  2 unseen horrors
  3 hill giants
  3 griffons
  2 manticores (D:14)
  A cyclops (D:9)
  2 salamanders (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  Maurice (D:13)
  3 black mambas
  21 elephants
  An item mimic (D:9)
  A kobold demonologist (D:9)
  10 spiny frogs
  A hydra zombie (D:15)
  9 komodo dragons
  A fire drake (Lair:5)
  A centaur skeleton (D:13)
  2 trolls
  9 blink frogs
  A jumping spider (Lair:6)
  3 deep elf magi
  A boulder beetle (Lair:8)
  4 basilisks
  A wandering mushroom (Lair:5)
  A grizzly bear (Lair:5)
  A redback (Lair:6)
  A griffon skeleton (D:10)
  A shark (Lair:1)
  An elephant slug (Lair:5)
  A wraith (D:11)
  A shadow (D:12)
  A hill giant zombie (D:14)
  A wyvern (D:12)
  31 yaks
  13 hippogriffs
  16 ugly things
  A hill giant skeleton (D:8)
  A hungry ghost (D:8)
  A soldier ant (D:13)
  8 wolves
  A swamp worm (Lair:6)
  9 porcupines
  An orange crystal statue (D:9)
  11 orc warriors
  A necrophage (D:13)
  A deep dwarf (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  A giant goldfish (Lair:5)
  A manticore zombie (D:12)
  15 water moccasins
  A sky beast (D:14)
  2 spiders (Lair:6)
  5 black bears
  A manticore skeleton (D:11)
  16 centaurs
  3 boring beetles
  10 crocodiles
  7 ogres
  2 phantoms
  8 giant slugs
  Blork the orc (D:6)
  A cyclops zombie (D:9)
  20 giant frogs
  5 scorpions
  A cyclops skeleton (D:9)
  A yak zombie (D:8)
  4 wights (D:6)
  6 electric eels
  A goliath beetle (D:8)
  10 hounds
  A gnoll shaman (D:6)
  8 crimson imps
  A giant frog skeleton (D:8)
  3 jellies
  8 orc priests
  5 iguanas
  10 worker ants
  5 big fish (Lair:6)
  9 orc wizards
  An orange rat (D:8)
  An ogre zombie (D:9)
  3 sheep (D:15)
  An ogre skeleton (D:11)
  A crocodile zombie (D:5)
  A hound skeleton (D:7)
  4 gnolls
  45 green rats
  3 shadow imps (D:5)
  An inept feature mimic (D:3)
  24 adders
  2 giant mites
  3 worms
  An orc skeleton (D:9)
  5 giant eyeballs
  6 giant geckos
  52 orcs
  A bat skeleton (D:4)
  11 giant cockroaches
  12 goblins
  16 hobgoblins
  11 quokkas
  12 bats
  2 giant newts
  A goblin skeleton (D:5)
  36 jackals
  13 kobolds
  2 orc zombies
  A quokka zombie (D:9)
  36 rats
  3 ballistomycetes (D:7)
  7 bushes
  3 butterflies (D:8)
  4 fungi
  40 plants
745 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A hydra (Lair:8)
  A death yak (Lair:8)
  2 catoblepae
  A cyclops (D:9)
  A giant firefly (Lair:6)
  4 blink frogs (Lair:6)
  A grizzly bear (Lair:6)
  A slime creature (D:9)
  A spriggan (Lair:6)
  A yak (Lair:2)
  A hungry ghost (D:13)
  A deep elf mage (D:9)
  A deep elf fighter (D:6)
  A black bear (Lair:6)
  2 orc warriors
  A centaur (D:13)
  A sky beast (D:9)
  A giant frog (D:6)
  An eye of draining (D:13)
  A crimson imp (D:9)
  An iguana (D:9)
  2 adders
  3 gnolls (D:9)
  A worm (Lair:2)
  2 orcs (D:6)
  A hobgoblin (D:6)
  A rat (Lair:1)
36 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  An air elemental (Lair:3)
  A two-headed ogre (D:9)
  A water elemental (D:14)
  A trapdoor spider (Lair:2)
  A mottled dragon (D:14)
  A spider (Lair:2)
  2 ogres
  2 electric eels (D:14)
  An orc wizard (D:14)
  2 orcs (D:14)
  A giant spore (D:7)
  A rat (D:9)
  A plant (Lair:3)
16 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 797 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Honk, the Minotaur Berserker, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 1/1
    77 | D:1      | Reached skill level 4 in Axes
   119 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 25/27 MP: 1/1
   133 | D:1      | Acquired Trog's second power
   604 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 32/34 MP: 2/2
   640 | D:2      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
   749 | D:2      | Noticed Sigmund
   943 | D:2      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
   953 | D:2      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
   954 | D:2      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  1107 | D:3      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 41/41 MP: 2/2
  1132 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  1155 | D:3      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  1156 | D:3      | Noticed a profane servitor
  1162 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Axes
  1162 | D:3      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  1163 | D:3      | Noticed an angel
  1189 | D:3      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  1189 | D:3      | Noticed a balrug
  1195 | D:3      | Noticed a smoke demon
  1195 | D:3      | Noticed a smoke demon
  1398 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 37/48 MP: 2/2
  1730 | D:3      | Acquired Trog's third power
  1960 | D:3      | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  2218 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 57/57 MP: 3/3
  2467 | D:4      | Reached skill level 6 in Fighting
  2566 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  2573 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  2573 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  2669 | D:4      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 43/64 MP: 3/3
  2677 | D:4      | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
  2991 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3140 | D:5      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  3161 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  3239 | D:5      | Reached skill level 7 in Axes
  3712 | D:6      | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns
  3762 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 50/73 MP: 3/3
  3771 | D:6      | Reached skill level 8 in Axes
  4054 | D:6      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  4250 | D:6      | Reached skill level 9 in Axes
  4272 | D:6      | Received a gift from Trog
  4436 | D:6      | Noticed a deep elf fighter
  4695 | D:6      | Reached skill level 1 in Stealth
  4738 | D:6      | Killed a deep elf fighter
  4738 | D:6      | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
  4843 | D:6      | Noticed Blork the orc
  4869 | D:6      | Killed Blork the orc
  4869 | D:6      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 29/81 MP: 6/6
  5000 | D:6      | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns
  5007 | D:6      | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns
  5095 | D:6      | Reached skill level 10 in Axes
  5702 | D:8      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  5988 | D:8      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  6329 | D:8      | Reached skill level 11 in Axes
  6859 | D:9      | Noticed a catoblepas
  6859 | D:9      | Noticed a tengu warrior
  6866 | D:9      | Noticed a kobold demonologist
  6866 | D:9      | Noticed a cyclops
  6867 | D:9      | Noticed a cyclops
  6903 | D:9      | Received a gift from Trog
  6914 | D:9      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 81/90 MP: 11/11
  6946 | D:9      | Killed a cyclops
  6949 | D:9      | Killed a catoblepas
  6950 | D:9      | Reached skill level 12 in Axes
  7264 | D:9      | Killed a tengu warrior
  7264 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
  7304 | D:9      | Noticed a hill giant
  7375 | D:9      | Noticed a sun demon
  7401 | D:9      | Killed a hill giant
  7411 | D:9      | Killed a kobold demonologist
  7411 | D:9      | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
  7411 | D:9      | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
  7548 | D:9      | Reached skill level 13 in Axes
  7627 | D:9      | Killed an unseen horror
  7627 | D:9      | Reached XP level 11. HP: 18/100 MP: 14/14
  7942 | D:9      | Killed a cyclops
  8088 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  8180 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  8381 | D:10     | Got a fine turquoise ring
  8446 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  8823 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
  9627 | Lair:1   | Identified the ring "Khaoz" {rElec rPois SInv Stlth++} (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon)
 10010 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 14 in Axes
 10437 | Lair:2   | Noticed Fannar
 10451 | Lair:2   | Killed Fannar
 10713 | Lair:3   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 62/110 MP: 19/19
 10727 | Lair:3   | Noticed a six-headed hydra
 10733 | Lair:3   | Killed a six-headed hydra
 10736 | Lair:3   | Noticed a four-headed hydra
 10760 | Lair:3   | Killed a four-headed hydra
 11280 | Lair:3   | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 11285 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 15 in Axes
 11307 | Lair:3   | Killed an eight-headed hydra
 11322 | Lair:3   | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
 11582 | Lair:3   | Noticed a four-headed hydra
 11604 | Lair:3   | Killed a four-headed hydra
 12099 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing
 12284 | Lair:4   | Received a gift from Trog
 13416 | Lair:5   | Received a gift from Trog
 13667 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 16 in Axes
 13692 | Lair:5   | Gained mutation: You are surrounded by a mild repulsion field (EV +2). [potion of beneficial mutation]
 14297 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 114/118 MP: 21/21
 14370 | Lair:6   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 14565 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Trog
 14584 | Lair:6   | Noticed a four-headed hydra
 14593 | Lair:6   | Killed a seven-headed hydra
 15342 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 15342 | Lair:6   | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 15405 | Lair:6   | Killed an eight-headed hydra
 15750 | Lair:7   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 15856 | Lair:7   | Received a gift from Trog
 15891 | Lair:7   | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
 16162 | Lair:8   | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 16316 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 17 in Axes
 16403 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 5 in Throwing
 16970 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations
 17241 | Lair:8   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 112/129 MP: 23/23
 18531 | D:11     | Found Alom's Jewellery Emporium.
 18566 | D:11     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns
 18572 | D:11     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns
 19216 | D:12     | Received a gift from Trog
 19430 | D:12     | HP: 6/129 [12-headed hydra (10)]
 19430 | D:12     | HP: 2/129 [eight-headed hydra (4)]
 19531 | D:13     | Noticed Maurice
 19539 | D:13     | Killed Maurice
 19616 | D:13     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns
 20103 | D:14     | Found a gateway to a bazaar.
 20108 | D:14     | Reached skill level 18 in Axes
 20269 | D:14     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 21122 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 21470 | D:15     | Received a gift from Trog
 21870 | D:15     | Annihilated by an enormous slime creature


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Hand axe          |   124 |   168 |   530 |       |       ||   822
       Executioner's axe |       |       |    11 |     8 |   304 ||   323
       Battleaxe         |       |       |    20 |     9 |       ||    29
       Broad axe         |       |       |       |   592 |   396 ||   988
 Fire: Blowgun           |       |       |    22 |    20 |    11 ||    53
Throw: Dart              |     1 |       |       |     7 |     2 ||    10
Invok: Berserk           |     1 |     1 |     3 |     5 |     5 ||    15
       Trog's Hand       |       |       |     5 |    10 |     9 ||    24
       Brothers in Arms  |       |       |     2 |     4 |     5 ||    11
       Burn Spellbooks   |       |       |       |     3 |     4 ||     7
Evoke: Wand              |     1 |     4 |    12 |    36 |    31 ||    84
       Sack of spiders   |       |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
       Fan of gales      |       |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
  Use: Scroll            |     7 |     5 |     8 |    26 |    14 ||    60
       Potion            |     1 |       |     4 |     6 |     4 ||    15
 Stab: Distracted        |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Held in net/web   |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1


[Dr Feelgood]

0.14: longbows > slings > crossbows

Trunk: longbows > crossbows > slings

Ranged has always been good. It's just that most players never touched it. Apparently, ranged is OP in trunk.

Edit: @miauw62

You didn't post the morgue file.

[miauw62]

Oooh, I see now. Whoops!
Edited :v

Yeah this was not a BS death just a stupid death.

[Rex_Nex]

Oh, yeah, slime creatures. Do not tangle with them once they group up into into anything even moderately sized. This means not fighting them in hallways (as they group up faster) and running for dear life until they split. Even berserkers will splat facing of one of those.

[Retropunch]

yeah enormous slime creatures deal insane amounts of damage. I personally think it's a bit much - it seems to jump dramatically between one large and enormous. Best bet in future is just to beserk them while they're seperate. Axes work quite well with their slash ability, as you tend to damage them all quite a bit.

[guessingo]

I am using 14.1 is that a trunk? Or is trunk just the browser version?

Btw, can I throw harmful potions like in adom and that will be useful?

I really suck. Been doing min bezerkers, but im careless. I rarely even get to the lair.

[Dr Feelgood]

Trunk:

https://crawl.develz.org/trunk/

[Retropunch]

I am using 14.1 is that a trunk? Or is trunk just the browser version?

Btw, can I throw harmful potions like in adom and that will be useful?

I really suck. Been doing min bezerkers, but im careless. I rarely even get to the lair.

You can't throw potions any more (in earlier versions you could with a spell called evaporate) so just dump any of the bad potions you find.

Patience and running away is the only way you'll win. With a MiBe (mino bezerker) you can just keep axes, armour and fighting on throughout the whole game (switching fighting with evo occasionally) and just concentrate on being careful. You'll get more potions/scrolls than you know what to do with so always use them if it's looking a bit dangerous!