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[Leafsnail]

Merfolks and Draconians probably make the best transmuters.  I guess Felid is ok, but the downside of that is that you'd have to play as a Felid.

[Gamerlord]

Any new content?

[Leafsnail]

The big new-ish stuff:
- Dithmengos, a stabby god in Trunk
- Vinestalkers, a regeneraty race in an experimental build

[Gamerlord]

Awesome awesome.

[Graven]

Ok I need someone to confirm my equipment is as bad of an idea as I suspect.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14-a0-2002-g23d0e90 (tiles) character file.

Gravenous the Carver (Naga Fighter)                Turns: 16147, Time: 00:28:35

HP  97/97        AC 16     Str 25      XL: 12   Next: 51%
MP  12/12        EV  6     Int 10 (11) God: Okawaru [*****.]
Gold 433         SH 31     Dex 15      Spells:  0 memorised, 11 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis +     c - +13,+4 demon blade "Leech" {vamp, rN+ EV-1 Str-1 Dex-1 Int-1}
rCold  + . .     Clarity  .     A - +1 scale mail of Anarchy {Str+3 Dex+3}
rNeg   + + .     Conserve .     P - +6 shield of the gong {rElec rN+ MR+}
rPois  +         rCorr    .     o - +2 dwarf helmet
rElec  +         rRot     .     l - -1 cloak
SustAb . .       Spirit   .     (no gloves)
rMut   .         Warding  .     (no barding)
Gourm  +         Stasis   .     x - amulet of the gourmand
MR     ++...                    u - +3 ring of dexterity
                                t - cursed ring of protection from cold

@: very slow, very resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: spit poison, thin metallic scales 1, see invisible, clever 1, deformed body,
fast metabolism 1, poison resistance, slowness 2, AC +4
a: Spit Poison, Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion


You are on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Okawaru.
Okawaru is extremely pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 15 of its levels.
You have also visited: Sewer and Ossuary.

You have collected 433 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a fine bastard sword {god gift}
 c - the +13,+4 demon blade "Leech" (weapon) {vamp, rN+ EV-1 Str-1 Dex-1 Int-1}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It inflicts no extra harm, but heals its wielder somewhat when it strikes a
   living foe.
   
   It affects your evasion (-1).
   It affects your strength (-1).
   It affects your intelligence (-1).
   It affects your dexterity (-1).
   It protects you from negative energy.
 p - a +2,+1 scimitar
 H - a +0,+4 orcish whip of electrocution
Armour
 l - a -1 cloak (worn)
 o - a +2 dwarven helmet (worn)
 A - the +1 scale mail of Anarchy (worn) {Str+3 Dex+3}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
 I - a -1 buckler
 L - a runed orcish scale mail
 P - the +6 shield of the gong (worn) {rElec rN+ MR+}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Magical devices
 b - a wand of flame {zapped: 5}
 m - a wand of cold {empty}
 r - a wand of cold {empty}
 v - a wand of flame
 w - a wand of lightning {zapped: 1}
 G - an iron wand
 K - a wand of enslavement
 T - a wand of fire {empty}
Comestibles
 d - 7 bread rations
 f - 7 apples
 i - a choko
 B - 2 snozzcumbers
 M - 5 sultanas
 N - a lychee
 Z - 2 lemons
Scrolls
 e - 3 scrolls of enchant armour
 g - a scroll of recharging
 h - 4 scrolls of identify
 j - 5 scrolls of remove curse
 s - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon I
 y - 3 scrolls of amnesia
 E - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
 J - 4 scrolls of fog
 Q - a scroll of teleportation
Jewellery
 n - a cursed ring of positive energy
 t - a cursed ring of protection from cold (left hand)
 u - a +3 ring of dexterity (right hand)
 x - an amulet of the gourmand (around neck)
 C - a ring of protection from cold
Potions
 k - 2 potions of curing
 q - 3 potions of agility
 z - a potion of invisibility
 D - 2 potions of magic
 F - 4 potions of restore abilities


   Skills:
 - Level 3,0 Fighting
 * Level 14,3 Long Blades
 - Level 8,0 Armour
 - Level 9,3 Shields


You have 11 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (11/16)            Temple (1/1) D:6            Lair (3/8) D:11
   Orc: D:9-12       Swamp: Lair:3-6    Shoals: Lair:3-6     Snake: Lair:3-6
Spider: Lair:3-6   

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmengos
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
the Shining One

Shops:
D:9 (   D:10 :


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You cannot wear boots.
You can spit poison.
Your serpentine skin is tough (AC +4).
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body.
Your system is resistant to poisons.
You cover ground very slowly.
You are partially covered in thin metallic scales (AC +2).
Your mind is acute. (Int +2)
You have a fast metabolism.


Message History

GONNNNG!

My current tactic is stay in one place and hold tab until literally the entire level is dead and I am full health.

[Mr Space Cat]

I'd dump the scale mail for some better armor. Since you're not using spells at the moment, and your dodging is meh anyway, you'd be better off with the guaranteed damage reduction plate gives you, and the extra AC wouldn't hurt either.  Less damage taken means more health means living longer. Otherwise your equipment seems decent for Lair.

Training fighting will give you some more health too, which should go well with your current tactic.

[Robsoie]

I always wondered if on the long term the gong shield is really viable due to it simply attracting every single monsters around with the noise it does in fight, i remember using it and go some nasty surprises.

Noticing the apparently nice weapon on Graven character, i was wondering how much its vampiric brand would help then, so i looked on the bot to check what kind of % of the damage was converted as health and found

On 3 of 5 hits that do non-zero damage against a non-rN target, you heal 1 + random2(damage) HP.

Unless i'm mistaking something, the vampiric brand will at max heal 3 health in 1 hit (3 times out of 5) regardless of the weapon damage ?
It seems so underwhelming

[Mr Space Cat]

It depends on the amount of damage you deal in the hit vamp triggers. I got a vampiric battleaxe from Trog once, in some good swings it healed me for a lot of health. As in, 1/4 of my health bar instantly refilled. Went really well with berserking. Other times it seemed underwhelming, but most of the time it was useful, or at least better than nothing.

[Robsoie]

Could it be because your axe is cleaving (hitting many enemies at once), multiplying then the vamp gain by the amount of hits ?
If it's that, indeed it could be interesting, if you have an axe (no other weapon tyoe can cleave if i remember well ? ).

[tompliss]

Nah, it heals "1 + random2(damage) HP", so it heals a random percent of the damage dealt to the target (and I think it doesn't use the cleave, butyou don't want to hit multiple enemies with more HP than rats anyway, because that means getting hit by them).

[Graven]

Pretty sure Cleaving applies on-hit effects, or at least used to, because as soon as I'd get a Vampiric Executioner Axe from Trog, I'd tab my way through the entire Vaults:5 ambush without a care in the world.

Also yeah I was mostly asking about the Shield of the Gong. Will be using it for a bit, but I plan on getting some stealth so I'd have to dump it.

Besides, with a Vampiric weapon I have no way of dealing with Hydrae, so I'd probably not want more than one at a time, preferebly at least two screens away from me.

edit : Oooookay then, this gong, or rather "GONNNNNG!!!!" thing has got to go. Nearly died three times, all out of escape consumables. Thankfully my version of orc:4 has double the shops, so hopefully I'll get at least something useful.

edit : Also, for the first time in my life, my MR status is "Almost entirely resistant to enemy enchantments". The MR items I have are:
- Hat of the Bear Spirit [MR+]
- Orcish Plate of Magic Resistance
- A randart Large Shield [MR++]
- MR mutation from a Beneficial mut potion
For the fun of it I also have a randart amulet [MR++] but I'm not using it.

Here he is :

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14-a0-2002-g23d0e90 (tiles) character file.

Gravenous the Slayer (Naga Fighter)                Turns: 65140, Time: 02:20:48

HP 260/260       AC 43     Str 27      XL: 23   Next: 30%
MP  21/21        EV  1     Int 14      God: Okawaru [******]
Gold 3383        SH 45     Dex 11      Spells:  0 memorised, 22 levels left

rFire  + + +     SeeInvis +     a - +9,+10 bastard sword "Litzig" {slice, rC+}
rCold  + + .     Clarity  .     c - +6 crystal plate armour
rNeg   + + .     Conserve .     F - +3 large shield of Crawling {+Rage MR++ Acc+4}
rPois  +         rCorr    .     P - +2 hat of the Bear Spirit {Spirit, +Rage rN+ MR+}
rElec  .         rRot     .     A - +1 cloak "Brifeyha" {rN+}
SustAb . .       Spirit   +     e - +1 pair of gloves
rMut   .         Warding  .     L - +1 naga barding {rF+}
Gourm  +         Stasis   .     x - amulet of the gourmand
MR     +++++                    q - ring of protection from fire
                                y - ring of Ginia {+Inv rF+ rC+ Int+4}

@: very slow, almost entirely resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely
unstealthy
A: spit poison, constrict 1, see invisible, deformed body, magic resistance 1,
poison resistance, slowness 2, AC +7
a: Spit Poison, Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion, Evoke Berserk Rage, Evoke
Invisibility
}: 3/15 runes: barnacled, silver, gossamer


You are on level 11 of the Dungeon.
You worship Okawaru.
Okawaru is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 8 branches of the dungeon, and seen 46 of its levels.
You have visited 2 bazaars.
You have also visited: Sewer and Ossuary.

You have collected 6487 gold pieces.
You have spent 3104 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - the +9,+10 bastard sword "Litzig" (weapon) {slice, rC+}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies.
   
   It protects you from cold.
Armour
 c - a +6 crystal plate armour (worn)
 e - a +1 pair of gloves (worn)
 A - the +1 cloak "Brifeyha" (worn) {rN+}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 2 of the Spider Nest)   
   
   It protects you from negative energy.
 F - the +3 large shield of Crawling (worn) {+Rage MR++ Acc+4}
   (You took it off Louise on level 2 of the Vaults)   
   
   It affects your accuracy (+4).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you go berserk.
 L - a +1 naga barding of fire resistance (worn)
 P - the +2 hat of the Bear Spirit (worn) {Spirit, +Rage rN+ MR+}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you go berserk.
Magical devices
 f - a wand of lightning
 i - a wand of enslavement
 r - a wand of teleportation (2)
 v - a wand of teleportation (3)
 w - a wand of heal wounds (2)
 B - a wand of disintegration {zapped: 2}
 C - a wand of fire
 G - a wand of teleportation (5)
 H - a wand of disintegration
 T - a wand of invisibility {zapped: 1}
 Y - a wand of disintegration {zapped: 9}
Comestibles
 g - 3 chunks of blink frog flesh
 K - 3 pieces of ambrosia
 M - 5 bread rations
 X - 4 meat rations
Scrolls
 b - a scroll of holy word
 h - 2 scrolls of summoning
 j - 8 scrolls of remove curse
 p - 6 scrolls of identify
 t - a scroll of enchant weapon III
 E - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
 J - 4 scrolls of fog
 R - a scroll of amnesia
 W - a scroll of enchant weapon II
Jewellery
 q - a ring of protection from fire (right hand)
 x - an amulet of the gourmand (around neck)
 y - the ring of Ginia (left hand) {+Inv rF+ rC+ Int+4}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Vaults)   
   
   [ring of intelligence]
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It lets you turn invisible.
 z - an uncursed amulet of resist mutation
 O - an uncursed amulet of conservation
 Q - the amulet "Unachocyus" {Ward MR++ Dex+3 SInv}
   (You found it on level 1 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [amulet of warding]
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It enhances your eyesight.
 S - the ring of Jagroc {Ice rElec rN+}
   (You took it off a deep elf knight on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of ice]
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It protects you from negative energy.
 Z - a ring of magical power
Potions
 d - a potion of resistance
 k - 3 potions of curing
 l - 6 potions of might
 n - 4 potions of heal wounds
 o - 2 potions of agility
 N - a potion of cure mutation
 V - 2 potions of speed


   Skills:
 * Level 26,7 Fighting
 - Level 16,0 Long Blades
 - Level 12,8 Armour
 - Level 15,2 Shields


You have 22 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (16/16)            Temple (1/1) D:6             Orc (4/4) D:12
    Elf (3/3) Orc:4          Lair (7/8) D:11         Shoals (5/5) Lair:3
 Spider (5/5) Lair:4        Slime (0/6) Lair:6       Vaults (5/5) D:15
  Blade (0/1) Vaults:4     Forest (0/5) Vaults:3     Depths (0/6) D:16

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmengos
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
the Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:9 (   D:10 :   Orc:2 *   Orc:4 /([*(*/[   Elf:1 (   Elf:2 :   Elf:3 /   Shoals:5 *   Vaults:1 [   Vaults:3 }
Vaults:4 [=*[

Portals:
Trove: D:15 (give +3 storm dragon armour)

Annotations:
Spider:2 Nikola


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You cannot wear boots.
You can spit poison.
You can use your snake-like lower body to constrict enemies.
Your serpentine skin is tough (AC +7).
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body.
Your system is resistant to poisons.
You cover ground very slowly.
You are resistant to hostile enchantments.


[freeformschooler]

First time ever clearing Lair. With 40 AC (thanks to a new plate mail), this character feels like an unstoppable tank. Should I go for orc or do a few more dungeon levels first?

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.13.1-27-ga479965 (webtiles) character file.

freeformschooler the Fencer (Demonspawn Gladiator) Turns: 23996, Time: 03:10:39

HP 110/110       AC 40     Str 25      XL: 13   Next: 64%
MP  25/25        EV  6     Int  9      God: Makhleb [******]
Gold 1174        SH  0     Dex 12 (13) Spells:  0 memorised, 12 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : .   z - +5,+1 great sword (drain)
Res.Cold  : + . .   Warding    : .   m - +6 plate armour "Naehe" {rPois}
Life Prot.: + . .   Conserve   : .   (no shield)
Res.Poison: +       Res.Corr.  : .   (no helmet)
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   F - +2 cloak {rC+}
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   L - +2 pair of gauntlets
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   (boots unavailable)
Res.Rott. : .       Flight     : .   (no amulet)
Saprovore : . . .                    J - +5 ring of strength
                                     b - ring of Robustness {AC+8}

@: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: hooves 3, demonic guardian 1, life protection 1, +10% hp, spiny 1, AC +7, Dex
-2
a: Minor Destruction, Lesser Servant of Makhleb, Major Destruction, Greater
Servant of Makhleb, Renounce Religion


You are on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Makhleb.
Makhleb is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 17 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth, Sewer and Ice Cave.

You have collected 1154 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 h - a +0 blowgun
 z - a +5,+1 great sword of draining (weapon)
 E - a +5,+3 scimitar of slicing
Missiles
 d - 2 throwing nets
 p - 23 poisoned needles
 D - 5 javelins (quivered)
 N - 7 needles of paralysis
 T - 5 curare-tipped needles
Armour
 m - the +6 plate armour "Naehe" (worn) {rPois}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It protects you from poison.
 C - the +0 scale mail of Miracles {Dex+3 Acc+2}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It affects your accuracy (+2).
 F - a +2 cloak of cold resistance (worn)
 L - a +2 pair of gauntlets (worn)
Magical devices
 i - a wand of digging (13)
 u - a wand of fire {zapped: 6}
 B - a wand of disintegration {zapped: 8}
 G - a wand of draining {zapped: 3}
 H - a wand of teleportation {zapped: 1}
 I - a wand of draining (6)
 P - a wand of lightning {empty}
Comestibles
 f - 3 bread rations
 g - 5 meat rations
 R - 5 sultanas
Scrolls
 j - 2 scrolls of amnesia
 k - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
 l - 9 scrolls of remove curse
 n - a scroll of recharging
 A - a scroll of fog
 Q - 2 scrolls of teleportation
Jewellery
 b - the ring of Robustness (left hand) {AC+8}
   (You found it in a labyrinth)   
   
   [ring of protection]
   It affects your AC (+8).
 o - an uncursed ring of regeneration
 s - an uncursed ring of invisibility
 w - a +3 ring of dexterity
 x - an uncursed amulet of stasis
 y - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
 J - a +5 ring of strength (right hand)
 M - the ring "Gyfio" {rF+ rC+}
   (You found it in a labyrinth)   
   
   [ring of protection from cold]
   It protects you from fire.
 O - an uncursed amulet of the gourmand
 S - a +4 ring of protection
Potions
 a - 2 potions of brilliance
 e - 6 potions of heal wounds
 q - 3 potions of agility
 r - 4 potions of curing
 v - 2 potions of flight
 K - 2 potions of speed
 U - 3 potions of might
 V - a potion of resistance
Miscellaneous
 c - a fan of gales (inert)
 t - a fan of gales


   Skills:
 - Level 11.0 Fighting
 - Level 16.3 Long Blades
 - Level 1.7 Throwing
 * Level 7.1 Armour
 - Level 2.6 Dodging
 - Level 9.0 Invocations


You have 12 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (9/27)             Temple (0/1) D:7             Orc (0/4) D:7
   Lair (8/8) D:9           Swamp (0/5) Lair:4       Spider (0/5) Lair:3
  Slime (0/6) Lair:7     

Altars:
Fedhas
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Jiyva

Annotations:
D:8 4 exclusions
Lair:1 1 exclusion
Lair:4 exclusions: downstairs and 10 more exclusions
Lair:5 exclusions: 2 oklob plants and 2 more exclusions
Lair:6 exclusion: oklob plant
Lair:7 exclusion: ice statue


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have hooves in place of feet.
You are mostly covered in rough black scales (AC +7, Dex -2).
A weak demonic guardian rushes to your aid.
You resist negative energy.
You are partially covered in sharp spines.
You are robust (+10% HP).


Message History

You slash the spiny frog! You drain the spiny frog! You kick the spiny frog.
The spiny frog is almost dead.
The spiny frog stings you but does no damage.
You slash the spiny frog!
You kill the spiny frog!
Makhleb accepts your kill.
You see here a spiny frog corpse.
(D) Dungeon        (T) Temple         (O) Orcish Mines   (L) Lair           
(S) Swamp          (N) Spider Nest    (M) Slime Pits     
Where to? (Enter - Lair:5, ? - help)
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
You climb upwards.
Level annotation: exclusions: 2 oklob plants and 2 more exclusions
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
Unknown command.
Saving game... please wait.
Level annotation: exclusions: 2 oklob plants and 2 more exclusions
Welcome back, freeformschooler the Demonspawn Gladiator.
Blood and souls for Makhleb!
Press ? for a list of commands and other information.

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[tompliss]

Wow, nice AC, that plate and the ring look like they really help !
You're playing version 0.13, so I would advice you to dlve a little deeper in the dungeon. but don't forget you can stop at any time to go in orc.
You should train Blades up to 18 (min-delay with your sword). If you don't have a really low failure rate on your invocations, you should train them a little more, too.
I say thise because you have 40AC, so putting all your XP in armor may nto be that useful for orc, and becasue you may need something else than pure melee, especially for Orc:4
You usually need a few HP for Orc (as that's the only way to resist smiting), but you already have 10+ fighting and +10% HP mutation...
Don't forget that the Orc uniques will realyl hurt you, though.

[Vorthon]

Playing again after the longest time, and finally back into the swing of things. Of course, getting a +5, +4 ring of slaying on the third level of the dungeon probably helped.

[freeformschooler]

Wow, nice AC, that plate and the ring look like they really help !
You're playing version 0.13, so I would advice you to dlve a little deeper in the dungeon. but don't forget you can stop at any time to go in orc.
You should train Blades up to 18 (min-delay with your sword). If you don't have a really low failure rate on your invocations, you should train them a little more, too.
I say thise because you have 40AC, so putting all your XP in armor may nto be that useful for orc, and becasue you may need something else than pure melee, especially for Orc:4
You usually need a few HP for Orc (as that's the only way to resist smiting), but you already have 10+ fighting and +10% HP mutation...
Don't forget that the Orc uniques will realyl hurt you, though.

Thanks for the advice! Makh doesn't have too hard invokes, and I've already got his best one (summon greater demon) down to 8%, but if more Invoke helps with Major Destruction, it's worth training. Good to know about Orc:4.