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[UristMcDwarf]

RIP in peace, Skeleington the orc priest, killed by a skeleton warrior.
He got a little too enthusiastic about his smites and didn't see the skeleton next to him

[Leafsnail]

Can gargoyles really cast Statue Form?

[tryrar]

question: What are draconians good at, and how can I get them past floor 2 without dying horribly (granted, quite a few deaths were encountering sigmund without the means to run away...)

[Robsoie]

Recognizing early enough when a situation has too low chances of you surviving it so you can run away are the majors Crawl skills you'll need to learn in order of having your characters staying alive, it will come with time, after having played enough.

When you have a monster that spotted you and is as fast as you, run toward the nearest stairs, and get to another dungeon floor. You can then go back to the previous floor through other stairs later, if you really need to go back of course.
 
In Crawl heroic characters will end with an early YASD, cowardly characters will win the game

[Mr Space Cat]

I had the best luck with draconian spellcasters, specifically conjurers, although there's probably better mage classes for them. Granted, I only made it to level 7 once and got a white draconian out of it, and got splattered shortly there after, but still.

Draconians don't get to wear heavy armor, so they aren't all that great for melee builds unless you use transmutations or unarmed/statueform builds. Early game probably your best bet is spellcasting.

[Duuvian]

Yeah, then use your breath weapon until it's not any good anymore.

[Graven]

Draconians make good monks, transmuters and hybrids - necromancers, skalds, summoners, the like. They're kind of squishy as they can't wear any armour, but they are workable as melee.

Also, fuck you, Crawl 

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.13-a0-3133-gec0fa00 (tiles) character file.

683095 Gravenous the Bringer of Law (level 27, -9/186 HPs)
             Began as a Gargoyle Gladiator on Sept 21, 2013.
             Was the Champion of Zin.
             Killed from afar by a dragon (39 damage)
             ... with a blast of flame
             ... summoned by the power of Zot
             
             ... on Level 3 of the Realm of Zot on Sept 22, 2013.
             The game lasted 04:05:05 (102425 turns).

Gravenous the Bringer of Law (Gargoyle Gladiator) Turns: 102425, Time: 04:05:06

HP  -9/186       AC 44     Str 21      XL: 27
MP   0/45        EV 10     Int 20      God: Zin [******]
Gold 5561        SH  0     Dex 10      Spells:  6 memorised, 22 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : .   S - +6,+10 great mace "Roluw" {speed, rF+ Int+
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : .   t - +9 pearl dragon armour of Loetinop {rN+ In
Life Prot.: + . .   Conserve   : .   (no shield)
Res.Poison: +       Res.Corr.  : .   c - -4 helmet {SInv}
Res.Elec. : +       Clarity    : .   g - -4 elf cloak {MR+}
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   F - -3 pair of gloves {Str+3}
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   p - -4 pair of boots {run}
Res.Rott. : +       Flight     : +   I - amulet "Breth" {+Rage rF+ Str+4}
Saprovore : . . .                    v - +0,+7 ring of slaying
                                     M - ring "Pnoiraje" {+Fly rC+}

@: flying, very slightly contaminated, hasted, magically suppressed, very quick,
quite resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: large and strong wings, fangs 1, talons 2, life protection 1, electricity
resistance, slow metabolism 1, unbreathing, petrification resistance, AC +20
a: Stop Flying, Recite, Vitalisation, Imprison, Sanctuary, Cure All Mutations,
Renounce Religion
}: 4/15 runes: decaying, serpentine, slimy, silver


You were on level 3 of the Realm of Zot.
You worshipped Zin.
Zin was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 11 branches of the dungeon, and saw 72 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 2 times.

You collected 10545 gold pieces.
You spent 4642 gold pieces at shops.
You donated 362 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 S - the +6,+10 great mace "Roluw" (weapon) {speed, rF+ Int+1}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)   
   
   Attacks with this weapon take half as long, but cause slightly less damage.
   
   It affects your intelligence (+1).
   It protects you from fire.
Armour
 c - a -4 helmet of see invisible (worn)
 g - a -4 elven cloak of magic resistance (worn)
 h - a +0 cloak of darkness
 p - a -4 pair of boots of running (worn)
 t - the +9 pearl dragon armour of Loetinop (worn) {rN+ Int+3}
   (You acquired it on level 2 of the Snake Pit)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It protects you from negative energy.
 F - a -3 pair of gloves of strength (worn)
 Y - a +2 dwarven cloak of magic resistance
Magical devices
 b - a wand of digging (8)
 n - a wand of teleportation (4)
 r - a wand of teleportation (4)
 w - a wand of fire (9)
 x - a wand of teleportation (6)
 y - a wand of fire (2)
 H - a wand of disintegration (4)
 T - a wand of teleportation (4)
 V - a wand of cold (5)
Comestibles
 q - 10 pears
 B - 3 bread rations
Scrolls
 l - a scroll of identify
 o - a scroll of remove curse
Jewellery
 a - the amulet "Bakhah" {Clar rPois MR++ Dam+2}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [amulet of clarity]
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+2).
   It protects you from poison.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
 d - an uncursed amulet of resist corrosion
 f - the cursed ring of Fragile Peace {Hunger- rElec rF+ Acc+4}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)   
   
   [ring of sustenance]
   It affects your accuracy (+4).
   It protects you from fire.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 i - an uncursed ring of magical power {unknown}
 j - a cursed ring of sustain abilities
 m - an uncursed ring of teleportation
 v - a +0,+7 ring of slaying (right hand)
 A - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 G - a cursed ring of wizardry
 I - the amulet "Breth" (around neck) {+Rage rF+ Str+4}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)   
   
   [amulet of rage]
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It protects you from fire.
 J - the ring of Happiness {rN+ MR Str+4}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of protection from magic]
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It protects you from negative energy.
 M - the ring "Pnoiraje" (left hand) {+Fly rC+}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of protection from cold]
   It lets you fly.
Potions
 e - 5 potions of curing
 k - 4 potions of agility
 u - a potion of resistance
 C - a potion of restore abilities
 Z - 2 potions of speed
Books
 s - a book of Transfigurations   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Stoneskin                          Transmutation/Earth          2
   Polymorph                          Hexes/Transmutation          4
   Ice Form                           Ice/Transmutation            4
   Statue Form                        Transmutation/Earth          6
   Dragon Form                        Transmutation                7
   
   
   Zin disapproves of the use of such an item.
 z - a book of Callings   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Summon Small Mammal                Summoning                    1
   Call Imp                           Summoning                    2
   Call Canine Familiar               Summoning                    3
   Summon Scorpions                   Summoning/Poison             4
   Summon Ice Beast                   Ice/Summoning                4


   Skills:
 * Level 21,7 Fighting
 - Level 18,1 Maces & Flails
 - Level 2,0 Throwing
 - Level 25,1 Armour
 - Level 2,4 Dodging
 - Level 6,0 Spellcasting
 - Level 21,1 Charms
 O Level 27 Invocations


You had 22 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Infusion              Chrm           ######       0%          1    None
b - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          17%         2    None
c - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       #####.....   1%          2    None
d - Swiftness             Chrm/Air       #####.....   1%          2    None
e - Haste                 Chrm           ######..     1%          6    #######
f - Spectral Weapon       Hex/Chrm       #####...     1%          3    ##.....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (27/27)            Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (4/4) D:9
    Elf (3/3) Orc:3          Lair (8/8) D:12          Swamp (5/5) Lair:6
  Snake (5/5) Lair:3        Slime (6/6) Lair:8       Vaults (5/5) D:18
  Blade (0/1) Vaults:3      Crypt (5/5) Vaults:2       Tomb (0/3) Crypt:2
    Zot (3/5) D:27       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
the Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:5 (   D:6 !   D:14 [   D:18 *=*   D:22 *   D:23 /*%   D:24 =   Orc:3 [   Orc:4 ((}*=   Elf:1 ?   Elf:3 (
Vaults:1 (   Vaults:3 }

Portals:
Hell: D:21 D:22 D:23 D:24 D:25 D:26 D:27
Abyss: D:21 D:23 D:24 D:25
Pandemonium: D:21 D:23 D:24

Annotations:
D:26 exclusion: 2 doors
Vaults:5 Mennas


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are resistant to torment.
You are immune to poison.
You can fly continuously.
Your stone body is very resilient (AC +20).
Your wings are large and strong.
You have very sharp teeth.
You have razor-sharp toenails.
You resist negative energy.
You are resistant to electric shocks.
You have a slow metabolism.
You can survive without breathing.
You are immune to petrification.


Message History

The dragon bites you but does no damage.
The dragon claws you but does no damage.
The dragon tramples you but does no damage.
The green draconian rages.
You hear a roar!
The red draconian knight breathes fire at you.
The searing blast hits the dragon. The dragon resists. The searing blast misses you.
Unknown command.
The black draconian rages.
The grey draconian is engulfed in roaring flames.
You hear a roar!
You hear a roar!
You hear a roar!
You feel you are being watched by something.
You hear a roar!
You feel you are being watched by something.
You hear a roar!
The dragon breathes fire at you.
The blast of flame hits you!
You die...

Moth of suppression behind a metric fuckton of draconians, had no mana to Sanctuary because of ghost moths, and Fire Dragons took 3/4s of my hp in like 2 hits. Could've lived if I had potions of mana, but no conservation means haha potions.

Could've had about 20 more AC if all my equip wasn't corroded, but that wouldn't have helped at all with the retarded HP gargoyles have. Elemental damage is bane, and moths of suppression are just stupid. Couldn't teleport as wands are also suppressed.

I'm wasting way too much time with deaths like this.

[Leafsnail]

Draconians get quite a bit of natural AC, which is enough to make up for them not being able to wear good light armours.

[tryrar]

Cool, my latest minotaur fighter just snagged a nice randart ring:

The Ring "Moklexag" (Regen Contam rF+ Acc+5).

As you can see, the only negative is that I'd get blasted my high glow if I take it off, but with bonuses like that, why the heck would I? ^_^

Edit: Goddamn orc high priest. I managed to get it isolated on the previous floor with stairdancing, but it then summoned a blue devil and a sixfirhy. I killed it to cut off more summoning, managed to knock off the blue devil, but the sixfirhy managed to shock me for a kill. BLARGH

[G-Flex]

Could've had about 20 more AC if all my equip wasn't corroded

Why in god's name were you even wearing equipment that corroded?

Also: Forget AC, you had more than enough of that. That 10 EV was several orders of magnitude more of a problem.

[tryrar]

Holy. Shit. I just found an entrance to the Ziggurat at d:3! all I need is to find a wand of digging....

[Graven]

Could've had about 20 more AC if all my equip wasn't corroded

Why in god's name were you even wearing equipment that corroded?

Also: Forget AC, you had more than enough of that. That 10 EV was several orders of magnitude more of a problem.

Well I figured I'd clear out Zot, swap for my non-corroded equip and go journey through the hells, since I didn't have conservation to defend against yellow dracs anyway.

As for the EV, I was actually planning on slapping on either a Crystal plate or a GDA, depending on what resists I found, but my spells were not at a good enough success % to do that. I guess I meant to get some more Charms in Zot? But yeah, some more evasion would've helped me a ton in the current situation.

Also Tryrar, you... might want to not enter the zig.

[tryrar]

moot point, my centaur hunter ran into ammo issues, was forced to melee with his saber, and got wiped. Dammit, it seems every time I find an early altar to Okawaru, I get killed, and if I don't, I don't raise peity up fast enough for ammo gifts. WTF

[Leafsnail]

You do not want to enter a Ziggurat early.

[Antioch]

Well, didn't see that one comming, I didn't even really perceive the wolf spider zombie as a threat until it hit me 4 times for 60hp in 2 turns   >_>

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.3 (tiles) character file.

71075 CPTANT the Aerator (level 15, -3/92 HPs)
             Began as a Human Air Elementalist on Sept 23, 2013.
             Was the Champion of Vehumet.
             Slain by a wolf spider zombie (18 damage)
             ... on Level 12 of the Dungeon.
             The game lasted 02:48:51 (54783 turns).

CPTANT the Aerator (Human Air Elementalist)        Turns: 54783, Time: 02:48:51

HP  -3/92        AC  8     Str 13      XL: 15   Next: 78%
MP   2/35        EV 12     Int 21      God: Vehumet [******]
Gold 1940        SH  0     Dex 12      Spells: 10 memorised,  6 levels left

Res.Fire  : + . .   See Invis. : .   f - staff of air
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : .   C - +1 robe of Wonder {rF+ MR}
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : +   (no shield)
Res.Poison: +       Res.Corr.  : .   h - +1 orc spiked helmet
Res.Elec. : +       Clarity    : .   n - +0 cloak
Sust.Abil.: . .     Spirit.Shd : .   e - +0 pair of gauntlets {Str+3}
Res.Mut.  : .       Stasis     : .   s - +0 pair of boots
Res.Rott. : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   a - amulet of conservation
Saprovore : . . .   Flight     : .   p - ring of poison resistance
                                     R - ring of sustenance

@: extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy
A: slow metabolism 1, Str +1, Int -1, Dex -1
a: Renounce Religion


You were on level 12 of the Dungeon.
You worshipped Vehumet.
Vehumet was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and saw 27 of its levels.
You also visited: Labyrinth, Ice Cave and Volcano.

You collected 1952 gold pieces.
You spent 32 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 E - a -1,+1 orcish great sword
 I - a +3 elven blowgun of evasion
 P - a +2,+1 scimitar of flaming
Missiles
 z - 21 poisoned needles
 F - 9 curare-tipped needles
 G - 13 darts of dispersal (quivered)
Armour
 e - a +0 pair of gauntlets of strength (worn)
 h - a +1 orcish spiked helmet (worn)
 n - a +0 cloak (worn)
 s - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
 C - the +1 robe of Wonder (worn) {rF+ MR}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Magical devices
 d - a wand of cold (5)
 t - a wand of fire (9)
 w - a wand of teleportation (2)
 S - a wand of disintegration (17)
Comestibles
 c - 9 bread rations
 o - a choko
 A - a meat ration
 L - 14 snozzcumbers
Scrolls
 g - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
 i - 2 scrolls of remove curse
 l - 6 scrolls of identify
 u - 2 scrolls of blinking
 v - a scroll of amnesia
 x - 5 scrolls of teleportation
 B - 3 scrolls of recharging {unknown}
 D - 2 scrolls of fog
Jewellery
 a - an amulet of conservation (around neck)
 b - a cursed amulet of clarity
 k - an uncursed ring of fire
 p - a ring of poison resistance (right hand)
 q - an uncursed ring of wizardry
 R - a ring of sustenance (left hand)
Potions
 j - a potion of porridge {unknown}
 m - 12 potions of curing
 r - 4 potions of restore abilities
 J - a potion of speed
 T - 6 potions of heal wounds
Magical staves
 f - an uncursed staff of air (weapon)


   Skills:
 * Level 1,4 Fighting
   Level 0,2 Short Blades
 - Level 4,8 Long Blades
 - Level 0,4 Staves
 + Level 2,8 Throwing
 - Level 2,1 Dodging
 - Level 2,0 Stealth
 - Level 1,9 Traps
 + Level 13,8 Spellcasting
 * Level 11,2 Conjurations
   Level 1,0 Hexes
 - Level 1,3 Charms
 - Level 1,0 Translocations
 - Level 0,6 Ice Magic
 - Level 20,0 Air Magic
 - Level 1,9 Evocations


You had 6 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Shock                 Conj/Air       #####        0%          1    None
b - Swiftness             Chrm/Air       #######...   1%          2    None
c - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       #######...   1%          2    None
d - Static Discharge      Conj/Air       ########.    1%          3    None
e - Lightning Bolt        Conj/Air       ########..   1%          5    ##.....
f - Airstrike             Air            ########..   0%          4    None
g - Flight                Chrm/Air       #######...   1%          3    None
h - Freezing Cloud        Conj/Ice/Air   #######...   2%          6    #####..
i - Orb of Destruction    Conj           #######...   12%         7    ######.
j - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          6%          2    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (14/27)            Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (4/4) D:8
    Elf (0/3) Orc:3          Lair (8/8) D:8           Swamp (0/5) Lair:5
  Snake (0/5) Lair:4        Slime (0/6) Lair:6     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
the Shining One

Shops:
D:8: %  Orc:3: [  Orc:4: %[=[

Annotations
D:1 exclusion: downstairs
D:2 1 exclusion
D:3 exclusion: downstairs
D:4 CPTANT's ghost, average HOGl
D:6 exclusions: downstairs and upstairs
D:7 exclusion: downstairs
D:10 exclusion: downstairs
D:11 exclusion: oklob plant
D:13 CPTANT's ghost, powerful HOGl
Orc:3 exclusion: 2 downstairs
Lair:5 exclusion: 2 oklob plants
Lair:7 exclusion: downstairs


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are dopey (Int -1).
You have a slow metabolism.
Your muscles are strong, but stiff (Str +1, Dex -1).


Message History

The hill giant skeleton is struck by lightning.
The lightning arcs! You are struck by lightning. You resist. The lightning arcs!
The hill giant skeleton is struck by lightning.
The lightning grounds out.
The hill giant skeleton barely misses you.
Casting: Static Discharge
Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
You feel a surge of power!
The hill giant skeleton is struck by lightning.
The lightning arcs! You are struck by lightning. You resist. The lightning arcs!
The hill giant skeleton is struck by lightning.
The lightning arcs! You are struck by lightning. You resist. The hill giant skeleton hits you!
The wolf spider zombie barely misses you.
The wolf spider zombie hits you.
The wolf spider zombie bites you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The wolf spider zombie hits you!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The wolf spider zombie bites you!
You die...

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Hand axe          |    15 |       |       |       |       ||    15
       Short sword       |    16 |    58 |    31 |   139 |       ||   244
       Blowgun           |       |       |     1 |       |       ||     1
       Scimitar          |       |       |       |    11 |   228 ||   239
       Staff             |       |       |       |       |   209 ||   209
 Fire: Blowgun           |       |       |     8 |    23 |       ||    31
 Cast: Shock             |    77 |   128 |   266 |    86 |     8 ||   565
       Swiftness         |       |     4 |    19 |    35 |    37 ||    95
       Static Discharge  |       |    12 |    75 |   220 |   151 ||   458
       Repel Missiles    |       |     1 |     6 |     3 |    14 ||    24
       Lightning Bolt    |       |       |       |   202 |   288 ||   490
       Dazzling Spray    |       |       |       |    16 |     3 ||    19
       Flight            |       |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
       Freezing Cloud    |       |       |       |     1 |    30 ||    31
       Airstrike         |       |       |       |       |   282 ||   282
       Conjure Ball Ligh |       |       |       |       |    14 ||    14
       Blink             |       |       |       |       |    10 ||    10
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |    11 |    15 |     5 ||    31
  Use: Potion            |     1 |       |     4 |     8 |    15 ||    28
       Scroll            |       |       |    10 |    14 |    10 ||    34
 Stab: Sleeping          |       |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
       Distracted        |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1




Btw, new vehumet sucks, old vehu gave spells much earlier.