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[Antioch]

God damn, last night I dreamt I was trying to make a Gargoyle Berzerker in Trunk, and the game kept forcing me to play Fire Giants and orcs that can transform in one and two-headed Ogres and the tiles were all painting-like and then a colleague from work appearead as a headhunter and arrested me away from my pc. What in the balls.

Perhaps it is time to stop playing.

[Graven]

Perhaps it is time to stop playing.

EhhhmhmmhmmyouknowOHMYGOODNESSLOOKATTHETIME!

Question time!

On my current HOGl I have a +14 Crystal plate mail [+6 dmg] and a maximally enchanted +12 Gold Dragon Armour. I have 23 str and 23 int, because I thought I'd be casting Enchantments, but I found a ring [-cast, rF+, rN+, MR+, Acc+2, Dmg+6 Stlth++] so I probably won't be. I also have 0 magic-related skills, because Trog.

I also have 27 axes and 27 bows, and a +4/+5 Antimagic Executioner axe, as well as a +0/+7 Longbow of freezing. I'm currently using a +0/+7 Vampiric Battle Axe. I have enough scrolls to make both weapons pretty decent.

When I eventually switch to TSO, should I bless the Axe, or the longbow? I guess I should probably wear the GDA, but it has 27 encumbrance rating, whereas the CPM has only 24. Also I really like the look of the CPM, but I don't think that really matters in the grand scheme of things.

edit : EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMN TIME

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.13-a0-1614-gd69a504 (tiles) character file.

1183473 Gravenous the Axe Maniac (level 27, -2/227 (276) HPs)
             Began as a Hill Orc Gladiator on June 22, 2013.
             Was the Champion of the Shining One.
             Succumbed to a red devil's poison
             ... on Level 6 of Gehenna.
             The game lasted 04:32:15 (128818 turns).

Gravenous the Axe Maniac (Hill Orc Gladiator)     Turns: 128818, Time: 04:32:15

HP  -2/227 (276) AC 58     Str 22      XL: 27
MP   6/17        EV 16     Int 24      God: the Shining One [******]
Gold 7528        SH  0     Dex 11      Spells:  2 memorised, 22 levels left

Res.Fire  : + . .   See Invis. : .   k - +5,+8 executioner's axe (antimagic)
Res.Cold  : + . .   Warding    : .   e - +14 crystal plate armour of Unlurub {Dam+6
Life Prot.: + + +   Conserve   : .   (no shield)
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : .   M - +2 helmet {Int+3} (curse)
Res.Elec. : +       Clarity    : +   F - +0 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlt
Sust.Abil.: + .     Spirit.Shd : .   b - +2 pair of dwarf gauntlets (curse)
Res.Mut.  : +       Stasis     : .   G - -2 pair of boots of the Planets {rElec rN+
Res.Rott. : .       Flight     : .   r - cursed amulet of resist mutation
Saprovore : + . .                    U - ring "Ghuriacs" {-Cast rF+ rN+ MR+ Acc+2 D
                                     o - ring of sustain abilities

@: extremely poisoned, glowing, incredibly resistant to hostile enchantments,
extremely unstealthy
A: blurry vision 1, clarity, +20% mp, saprovore 1, AC +2
a: Divine Shield, Cleansing Flame, Summon Divine Warrior, Renounce Religion
}: 12/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled, slimy, silver, iron, bone, abyssal,
demonic, glowing, magical, fiery, dark


You were on level 6 of Gehenna.
You worshipped the Shining One.
the Shining One was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 14 branches of the dungeon, and saw 89 of its levels.
You visited Pandemonium 1 time, and saw 23 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 3 times.

You collected 11363 gold pieces.
You spent 3855 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 j - a +6,+8 longbow of holy wrath
 k - a +5,+8 anti-magic executioner's axe (weapon)
 p - the +4,+4 Staff of Dispater
   (You took it off Dispater on level 7 of the Iron City of Dis)   
   
   The Shining One opposes the use of such an evil item.
Missiles
 h - 89 arrows
Armour
 b - a cursed +2 pair of dwarven gauntlets (worn)
 c - a +2 pair of boots of flying
 e - the +14 crystal plate armour of Unlurub (worn) {Dam+6}
   (You took it off a vault warden on level 5 of the Vaults)   
   
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+6).
 F - the cursed +0 cloak of Starlight (worn) {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth-}
   (You found it on level 26 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your evasion (+4).
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It makes you much less stealthy.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 G - the cursed -2 pair of boots of the Planets (worn) {rElec rN+ MR++ Int+4}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 8 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 M - a cursed +2 helmet of intelligence (worn)
Magical devices
 i - a wand of invisibility (2)
 m - a wand of disintegration (17)
 n - a wand of digging (7)
 w - a wand of heal wounds (1)
 x - a wand of slowing (10)
 y - a wand of magic darts (11)
 z - a wand of cold (9)
 A - a wand of cold (6)
 B - a wand of teleportation (3)
 I - a wand of heal wounds (4)
Comestibles
 f - 9 pears
 q - 26 grapes
 s - 9 bread rations
 D - 5 meat rations
 R - 3 apples
 V - 5 chokos
 Y - 17 sultanas
Jewellery
 d - an uncursed ring of teleportation
 g - the cursed ring of Xom's Esteem {Fire Dex+2 Int+1, unknown}
   (You found it on level 7 of the Iron City of Dis)   
   
   [ring of fire]
   It affects your intelligence (+1).
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 o - a ring of sustain abilities (left hand)
 r - a cursed amulet of resist mutation (around neck)
 C - the ring of Ghomeud {Wiz Str+4 Dex-4 Acc+3}
   (You took it off a balrug in Pandemonium)   
   
   [ring of wizardry]
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your dexterity (-4).
   It affects your accuracy (+3).
 H - the cursed ring of Zufeag {+Blink rN+ Stlth-}
   (You found it in Pandemonium)   
   
   [ring of life protection]
   It lets you blink.
   It makes you much less stealthy.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 L - a cursed ring of poison resistance
 O - a cursed ring of protection from fire
 S - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 U - the ring "Ghuriacs" (right hand) {-Cast rF+ rN+ MR+ Acc+2 Dam+6 Stlth++}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of slaying]
   It affects your accuracy (+2).
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+6).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It prevents spellcasting.
   It makes you much more stealthy.
Potions
 Q - a potion of curing
Miscellaneous
 l - the horn of Geryon


   Skills:
 O Level 27 Fighting
 O Level 27 Axes
 O Level 27 Bows
 - Level 2,0 Throwing
 O Level 27 Armour
 O Level 27 Dodging
 - Level 7,4 Traps
 O Level 27 Invocations
 * Level 15,7 Evocations


You had 22 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          99%         2    ###....
b - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       #.........   99%         2    ###....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (27/27)            Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (4/4) D:7
    Elf (3/3) Orc:4          Lair (8/8) D:8          Shoals (5/5) Lair:4
  Snake (5/5) Lair:6        Slime (6/6) Lair:6       Vaults (5/5) D:16
  Blade (0/1) Vaults:3        Dis (7/7) Hell            Geh (6/7) Hell
    Tar (7/7) Hell            Zot (4/5) D:27         Forest (0/5) Vaults:3
   Coc: Hell:1     

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
the Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:8: [%  D:17: [  D:20: %+*  D:21: *  Orc:4: *[=?  Elf:1: *  Elf:2: (  Elf:3: !  Snake:4: =([  Vaults:1: +
Vaults:2: +  Vaults:5: ?!?!

Portals:
Hell: D:21 D:22 D:23 D:24 D:25 D:26 D:27
Abyss: D:21 D:25 D:26 D:27
Pandemonium: D:24 D:26
Ziggurat: D:17 (5470 gp)

Annotations
D:4 Pikel
D:8 exclusions: orange crystal statue and silver statue
D:27 exclusion: oklob plant
Lair:5 exclusion: upstairs
Shoals:1 exclusion: oklob plant
Shoals:3 exclusion: oklob plant
Snake:5 Lamia


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You can tolerate rotten meat.
You are partially covered in slimy green scales (AC +2).
Your vision is a little blurry.
You possess an exceptional clarity of mind.
You have a considerably increased reservoir of magic (+20% MP).

Extended is bullshit and worst of all, it's boring I didn't even die to anything significant - it's just hellfirehellfirehellfire oh wait this last rat skeleton actually managed to hit you for your last hp.

I had healing and teleport and could've escaped no problem, but every single time the stupid repetition dulls my mind and situations that I've gone through a thousand times without dying end up killing me.

My character wasn't really optimal. Bows are safe but ammo can go fuck itself and I used it extremely rarely. I never cast a single spell, too, so all that int could've gone into str so I can carry more stuff. However anti-magic is quite awesome in extended, I was surprised. It works on demons, Pan lords and Hell princes from what I can tell, so all you need to do is get in range. I think it also doesn't stop you from casting, so you can get haste and controlled blink, even if you'll have a total of 10 mana wielding it. Nevertheless, something I might try next time.

[Leafsnail]

So, gargoyles.

You are resistant to torment.
You are immune to poison.
Your stone body is very resilient (AC +8). [this one increases as you level up - this is for a level 7 character)
You have very sharp teeth.
You have razor-sharp toenails.
You resist negative energy.
You are resistant to electric shocks.
You have a slow metabolism.
You can survive without breathing.
You are immune to petrification.
[later they gain the ability to fly]

They lose no slots, and other than a -2 HP apt and vulnerability to shatter/LRD I can't see many downsides to them (their apts aren't great, but they're very much usable).  They just have way more AC than anything else and a few other nice bonuses.

[frostshotgg]

Meanwhile, Djini have their MP pool as their HP pool, so casting spells literally kills you. The only upside to them I noted is no hunger.

[Niveras]

But MP restoration (channeling) heals you. And you'll have a much larger MP pool than other races.

But MP restoration also builds glow. And glow decays slower.

But glow grants "temporary mutations." (Not sure what happens if you max it out. Doesn't it get directly fatal for normal races? Maybe I'll try that next game.)

Also, pure fire immunity (including hellfire, which is nice) and the ability to lev (pass lava/deep water) on a whim. I think the plan is also that they can't use scrolls (being made entirely of fire or something) but I don't know if that's actually going to happen; they seem to use them fine in my trunk version (which is a month old or so).

[Leafsnail]

How big is their HMP pool?  If it's bigger than a regular HP pool you could use it as a pure melee character.

[G-Flex]

But glow grants "temporary mutations." (Not sure what happens if you max it out. Doesn't it get directly fatal for normal races? Maybe I'll try that next game.)

I don't think it ever gets directly fatal, but you can suffer damage from glowsplosions and stuff... although it would take a fair bit of effort to get that to happen unless you're doing something ridiculous like channeling constantly while casting really high-level spells.

Also, pure fire immunity (including hellfire, which is nice) and the ability to lev (pass lava/deep water) on a whim. I think the plan is also that they can't use scrolls (being made entirely of fire or something) but I don't know if that's actually going to happen; they seem to use them fine in my trunk version (which is a month old or so).

Why are you playing an old version of trunk? Just play online so it automatically updates.

Anyway, they can use scrolls. It's worth noting that they hover over water; it's not the same as the old levitation effect. When over water or lava, djinn are slowed down, similarly to the Slow effect.


Djinn are definitely fun, although I personally don't think they even need their essence cost for spells doubled compared to MP. Also worth noting is that they have innate rN+++ and really good aptitudes for being a fire elementalist.

[Niveras]

I play offline trunk because online tiles doesn't have all the same bells and whistles.

It's no big deal really.

[Mrhappyface]

Damn, is there anything good about the human race option other than being terrible?

[Eagle_eye]

I think humans need slightly less experience to level, but I'm not sure.

[Mrhappyface]

Shoots. I seem to have bad luck with humans. Usually, I'm in a corridor, trying to keep some space between me and an ogre and a fucking adder or imp decides to wander in my direction.

[Niveras]

Unless there are other hidden factors, humans have the same experience modifier as halflings and kobolds (+1). Arguably they could be a challenge race in the sense that while most races have weaknesses, they also have strengths and players generally accomodate those strengths. Human doesn't necessarily have weaknesses, just a lack of strengths.

[frostshotgg]

I think the advantage that humans have is being able to take anything and run with it.

[Duuvian]

I did pretty good with a human monk who used shields after a few levels of dungeon. He found a pretty nice artifact shield early though so that's probably why.

[takaratiki]

When I was 8, my grandfather got a batch of floppy disks in that included something called "Hack". It was horrible to install (the week long struggle we had sorting out ANSI vs. NANSI is burned into my skull), but inevitably I was left alone in a gorgeous ascii world where mail daemons flitted about and I always starved to death or died drinking the wrong potion. I continued playing off and on through nethack until it's development stalled and eventually moved to DCSS, which seems like the proper successor to the franchise that started back in rogue.

So today, after 29 years of playing this game series, I finally won. My minotaur slung the Orb over his back, booked like Jehu, flicked off the demon hoards on his trail, and ascended. I could have done this decades ago if I wanted to, just hunkered down, screamed, "You and me, f'er!" and nailed the thing down, but I suppose that would have missed the point. Like DF, the story you follow has meaning because it can go anywhere and end so quickly. Pull the wrong switch, dig the wrong square, hold down the right arrow key to try and get through a section, BAM, it's all over. But it is an unfolding story pregnant with near infinite variation. The complexity, harshness, and finality have been the draws that make games like the Rogue-like continuum and DF worth the playing.

I only hope that I can get 3 decades of enjoyment, head-smacking/keyboard crushing frustration, and fulfillment out of DF as I have out of Rogue-likes. I'm off to have a Zottish drink.