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Furtuka

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« Reply #27660 on: May 18, 2016, 05:10:33 pm »

Eh 00 isn't really terrible. It just turned older fans off because it retread old ground in the second season as opposed to the unique direction S1 was going in, and the movie would have been better off as a book. It's honestly one of the better AUs overall IMO, and my personal favorite of them. In the end it's really best to just see and judge the shows for yourself since they have such a wide range of flavours.
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« Reply #27661 on: May 18, 2016, 06:06:54 pm »

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« Reply #27662 on: May 18, 2016, 08:32:49 pm »

Eh 00 isn't really terrible. It just turned older fans off because it retread old ground in the second season as opposed to the unique direction S1 was going in, and the movie would have been better off as a book. It's honestly one of the better AUs overall IMO, and my personal favorite of them. In the end it's really best to just see and judge the shows for yourself since they have such a wide range of flavours.


I wonder if they changed tacks because audiences weren't sympathizing with the heroes that effortlessly swept away their (well developed, not particularly villainous) opponents using vastly superior mechs, only ever having a problem with aforementioned opponents thought up extremely cunning plans and/or demonstrated incredible skill to overcome their disadvantages. There is a reason that protagonists are generally also the underdogs, after all.
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #27663 on: May 18, 2016, 10:55:50 pm »

Eh 00 isn't really terrible. It just turned older fans off because it retread old ground in the second season as opposed to the unique direction S1 was going in, and the movie would have been better off as a book. It's honestly one of the better AUs overall IMO, and my personal favorite of them. In the end it's really best to just see and judge the shows for yourself since they have such a wide range of flavours.


I wonder if they changed tacks because audiences weren't sympathizing with the heroes that effortlessly swept away their (well developed, not particularly villainous) opponents using vastly superior mechs, only ever having a problem with aforementioned opponents thought up extremely cunning plans and/or demonstrated incredible skill to overcome their disadvantages. There is a reason that protagonists are generally also the underdogs, after all.
Nah supposedly it was cause the higher ups demanded a change in pace to increase the number of fight scenes.

Main other point of contention was that the animators and Bandai were having trouble keeping up with the more detailed, organic, and unique designs used in season one which resulted in the S2 Gundams being simplified in appearance.
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« Reply #27664 on: May 18, 2016, 11:02:46 pm »

Honestly, I dropped it really early because my sense of verisimilitude was completely broken by the protagonists' goals and methods.  I'm sorry, but trying to create peace by making war on the world is, to borrow (and malaprop) the old quote, like having sex to protect one's virginity.  That and the fact that they were apparently powerful enough to take on the entire world out of nowhere.  As you note, GreatJustice, there's a reason why the protagonists typically have to struggle; it's because even a fake potential for defeat creates some dramatic tension, while if you've got the protagonist plot shield combined with massive superpowered mechs out of nowhere combined with a massive and somehow untouchable basis for logistics, resupply, and support, then there's really no reason not to expect them to win every time they go into a fight.

Actually, I think I would have taken 00 a bit more seriously if the ostensible protagonists had actually been the villains straight from the word go.  Think about it: you start with the ace pilot in what's supposed to be the newest ace custom prototype, then suddenly this evil conspiracy comes out of nowhere with superpowered mechs and blows through them while preaching not only peace, but absolute submission to their particular brand of justice with themselves as sole arbiters.  Every time someone tries to fight somewhere, either against each other or against said conspiracy, they get smashed down with extreme prejudice in order to make an example.  You still have the same verisimilitude problems that usually get tied to conspiracies that somehow field single units that can somehow overmatch entire armies, but that's kind of a regular thing with Gundam.  You can sympathize with their goals for world peace, but you're no longer expected to consider them in the right for killing everyone who happens to pick up a gun (or be forced to pick up a gun).  Contrast with Wing, which 00 was apparently analogous to in the same way Seed was to the original series.  The five Gundam pilots are sent down to fight, but they're fighting a guerilla war of liberation.  They don't have a strong base of logistics (which especially comes up when one of the five suits ends up destroyed), they don't always win (in the very first episode, one of the Gundam pilots is forced to abandon his suit when the patrol he runs into is particularly on the ball), they don't have perfect communication between them due to precisely the oppression they're fighting against (none of them know about the other four at first), and they're not fighting for something as nebulous and self-contradictory as world peace; they're fighting for that Gundam stand-by, political independence for the colonies.
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« Reply #27665 on: May 18, 2016, 11:10:04 pm »

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« Reply #27666 on: May 18, 2016, 11:26:04 pm »

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« Reply #27667 on: May 18, 2016, 11:47:24 pm »

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« Reply #27668 on: May 19, 2016, 06:56:41 pm »

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« Reply #27669 on: May 19, 2016, 07:46:22 pm »

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« Reply #27670 on: May 19, 2016, 08:06:49 pm »

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« Reply #27671 on: May 19, 2016, 08:09:42 pm »

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« Reply #27672 on: May 19, 2016, 08:17:36 pm »

... is that green monstrosity what spoilers look like in the eyehate theme?
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« Reply #27673 on: May 19, 2016, 08:44:14 pm »

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« Reply #27674 on: May 19, 2016, 10:57:39 pm »

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