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[Orange Wizard]

Can we drop the whole streaming-peasants thing now? It's getting kind of old. Everyone has their preference and it's totally irrelevant whether one option is "better" than the other, or whatever. The only real difference is just personal preference. Some prefer downloads. Some prefer streams. Who the hell cares.

If you are dead-set on proving to everyone that it's objectively superior to download things rather than stream them, please take the topic to its own thread. I kinda want to read about dem animus and not this drawn-out nonsense.

[Reelya]

Yup, Fate Stay/Night is the original series. Fate/Zero is a much more recent spin-off / prequel. The "Zero" in things like that is usually a give-away for a prequel, since most series starts counting at "1".

He was contrasting "original anime" to "Unlimited Blade Works". They are both adaptations of Fate/Stay Night, which is a VN and not a series at all.

Yes, Fate/Stay night was a game. I just used the term "series" loosely as in franchise or source material. Series doesn't have to mean a show or anything, could be a manga series or a series of games, etc. I was loosely referring to the entire Fate franchise.

But no, he was not contrasting the old anime to UBW (he had not mentioned UBW by name at the point that I made my comment, I'm not psychic), he just said "Fate/Stay Night" vs "Fate Zero", which is very ambiguous since there is in fact the old anime just called "Fate/Stay Night", and it is commonly held to be very inferior to Fate Zero. So it was in no way obvious without hindsight that he was claiming Zero is better than UBW.

[Tack]

Was gonna post a streaming thing but now I won't.

So is UBW a re-release or a between-quel?

[Flying Dice]

It's effectively a new release because it follows a different FS/N route than the first FS/N anime adaption did, IIRC.

[Leafsnail]

The game FSN originally had 3 routes.  The original (bad) anime had a weird mixup of all three with added vampires, the new adaptation did Unlimited Blade Works (the middle route) and will do Heaven's Feel (the last one) as a set of movies.

Fate/Zero was a prequel novel written afterwards.

[Neonivek]

I find it weird when anime has 1 episode voice actor changes

It is surprisingly not as uncommon as I thought. O_o

[Flying Dice]

Oh, yeah, thanks. I never got through the first anime, so I'd sort of forgotten how weirdly structured it was.

[Tack]

It was a game?
That's pretty cool. I'd tabletop that crap tbh.

[Flying Dice]

Well, a VN. Whether that counts as a game or a CYOA book is largely a matter of opinion.

[Cruxador]

Yes, Fate/Stay night was a game. I just used the term "series" loosely as in franchise or source material. Series doesn't have to mean a show or anything, could be a manga series or a series of games, etc.

That's a very imprecise manner of phrasing, since you were referring to a single game in the series (ie, not Fate/Zero) and we were talking about the animes anyway.

But no, he was not contrasting the old anime to UBW (he had not mentioned UBW by name at the point that I made my comment, I'm not psychic)

But... he did. It's even in the part you quoted.[/quote]

Well, a VN. Whether that counts as a game or a CYOA book is largely a matter of opinion.

It's definitely the latter. Whether it's also a game is, I suppose, a matter of opinion, but it's a semantic point with little evidence behind it.

[Flying Dice]

Yes, Fate/Stay night was a game. I just used the term "series" loosely as in franchise or source material. Series doesn't have to mean a show or anything, could be a manga series or a series of games, etc.

That's a very imprecise manner of phrasing, since you were referring to a single game in the series (ie, not Fate/Zero) and we were talking about the animes anyway.

But no, he was not contrasting the old anime to UBW (he had not mentioned UBW by name at the point that I made my comment, I'm not psychic)

But... he did. It's even in the part you quoted.

Well, a VN. Whether that counts as a game or a CYOA book is largely a matter of opinion.

It's definitely the latter. Whether it's also a game is, I suppose, a matter of opinion, but it's a semantic point with little evidence behind it.

Astonishing. You managed to be both incredibly pedantic and incredibly dismissive of pedantry in the same three-line post.

[Furtuka]

Yeah the concept stuff of the Nasuverse makes it really well suited to making a game adaption. From what I've heard Nasu's actually a pretty fun guy to play tabletop with IRL.

*grumbles angrily about how horribly the Red Dragon anime mangled the source material*

[Bauglir]

Until and unless TPP passes, there isn't any legal issue outside of Japan for series without official releases (ie almost all of them).

I think you're wrong on that, but besides, everything on CR, by definition, is such a release.

[Reelya]

But no, he was not contrasting the old anime to UBW (he had not mentioned UBW by name at the point that I made my comment, I'm not psychic)

But... he did. It's even in the part you quoted.

Well Andres quote was also in the quote tree. We were both responding to that. Here's a reprint for reference:

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Just finished watching Fate/Stay Night. Honestly, I'm pretty disappointed. It was inferior in pretty much every single way to Fate/Zero. Story, characters, visuals, philosophy, music...it failed to live up to its predecessor in every respect.

Which Fate/Stay Night are we talking about here? Because the original is pretty old at this point (having come out in 2006), so yeah it's gonna be inferior, but IMO Unlimited Blade Works blows Fate/Zero out of the water on the visuals and probably music courts (though it still kinda loses in terms of story/characters/philosophy).

Yup, Fate Stay/Night is the original series. Fate/Zero is a much more recent spin-off / prequel. The "Zero" in things like that is usually a give-away for a prequel, since most series starts counting at "1".

Why should I need to explain this to you? Let me decode that for you:

"Yup" = "yes" or "I agree" - means I generally agree with the preceding quoted statement.

"Fate Stay/Night is the original series" - merely pointing out (in agreement with iam2roy's statement) that the anime who's full title is Fate Stay/Night, was in fact the first anime series that was created. Nobody was even talking about the game at any point here, so whether "series" is appropriate for the game isn't even a point of discussion.

So, pretty much everything I wrote was just agreeing with iam2roy, and pointing out that the Fate/Stay Night anime came out first, even though Fate/Zero is first chronologically. I can't even work out what you are arguing about anymore, because it has almost no connection to anything I actually wrote.

Cool trick: talking about anime and not picking fights over language.

[Criptfeind]

I went though and watched the young black jack anime. It's good. Sorta makes me want a original black jack anime, although maybe it wouldn't work as well.