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[Furtuka]

Just finished Orguss. That ending was weirdly abrupt?

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Kei and Olson travel back to the incident that caused the dimensional shenanigans to start and meet their past selves, and then the four of them all pull out their guns and shoot eachother, and then there's just a trippy shot of the earths seperating and then a weird montage of possible futures or alternate timelines or something and then it ends.

No mention about the thing where nobody remembers the events of the show afterwards that I had heard about. Maybe that's covered in the Orguss 2 OVA or something?

EDIT: Oh turns out that was tvtropes misleading me on the meaning of a certain thing. nevermind bout that then.

[Putnam]

People say:
"I've heard it's hard to learn because the sentences are backwards",
to which I usually reply:
"'I'm going to the shops' translates to 'Me-shop-go'. It's a child's language."

fuck bro that's pretty racist

...actually, wait a minute, "me shop go"? i'm reasonably sure they have conjugation over there, i get the feeling that them saying "me shop go" is about as accurate as saying the equivalent english phrase is "i to go shops."

[Neonivek]

Gems mixed in with garbage... and even the gems sometimes turn into garbage.

That applies to basically any entertainment though. Sturgeon's law and all that.

To a degree... but some garbage smells worse then others and Super Hero comics are quite rancid right now.

Mind you Comics themselves aren't as bad... for example the Jem and the holograms comic.

[Reelya]

People say:
"I've heard it's hard to learn because the sentences are backwards",
to which I usually reply:
"'I'm going to the shops' translates to 'Me-shop-go'. It's a child's language."

fuck bro that's pretty racist

...actually, wait a minute, "me shop go"? i'm reasonably sure they have conjugation over there, i get the feeling that them saying "me shop go" is about as accurate as saying the equivalent english phrase is "i to go shops."

Yeah, it's completely wrong.

私は店に行きます
"Watashi wa mise ni ikimasu"

"I am shop to going" roughly.

Another example:

"He gave me a book"
Kare wa watashi ni hon o kuremashita.
彼は私に本をくれました。

By the other logic it should be "he book me give", but it's clearly not that. The best breakdown word-for-word is:

he did me to book the give.


     

[Orange Wizard]

...actually, wait a minute, "me shop go"? i'm reasonably sure they have conjugation over there, i get the feeling that them saying "me shop go" is about as accurate as saying the equivalent english phrase is "i to go shops."

Kinda hard to work out how the syntax works when all I have to work with is Google "Sodding Useless" Translate, but "I'm going to the shops" translates to "watashi wa o-ten ni ikimasu yo", which translates back to "I'm your - you go to the store".
Removing the hyphen gives the slightly more sensible "I go to I'll shop", and just "oten ni ikimasu yo" gives "Go to the shop".
Finally, "oten ni ikimasu" gives "We will go to the shop", which is the closest I can get to the intended meaning at my current weeb level.

E: Ninja'd by Reelya. He knows more moon-runes than I do.

[Tack]

"'I'm going to the shops' translates to 'Me-shop-go'."

I'm reasonably sure they have conjugation over there, i get the feeling that them saying "me shop go" is about as accurate as saying the equivalent english phrase is "i to go shops."

Yeah, it's completely wrong.

Except that's not how the particles work.

"Watashi wa mise ni ikimasu"

Is I (topic) shop (place) go.

Like how:
"Ore wa Nihon go hanashimashou"
Is Me (topic) Japan (language) spoke.

Edit: I wonder how many Germans look at English like:
"what a peasant's language. Half their words are from us."

[Orange Wizard]

...

I think I understand what Tack's saying; but it's kind of an overly literal translation

[Tack]

That's because our language is built on specificity and Japanese is built on generality

[Karnewarrior]

Pretty sure that freaky grammar applies to most other unrelated languages though; and it's still understandable blind translated, which should speak volumes about how surprisingly similar human languages are.

[Reelya]

"I'm going shopping" has the same level of complexity as the Japanese version. Three word components with inflections to tell you things like past/present/future tense. "Me shop go" is not a correct translation.

I think the implication that Japan just has a "go" verb that doesn't specify anything isn't born out when you look at verb forms:

http://www.japaneseverbconjugator.com/VerbDetails.asp?txtVerb=IKIMASU

There are 24 verb forms of "go" and another 24 verb forms of the negation of go.

Think back to Life of Brian. We could mock Latin just the same. "Romans go house" can be "the Romans are going to the house". What a crude language!

[Flying Dice]

Just caught the first two episodes of Dimension W, and wow. It's like someone stuck Cowboy Bebop in a blender with a bunch of Asimov's stories from the golden age of SF. Even if it has pretty much the exact same disconcerting CGI cars as Initial D. Give it a shot if you haven't already.

[Reelya]

Wow, so funny, the guy in Musaigen no Phantom World got seriously beaten up by the girls multiple times in a row just for trying to be helpful. It's extra humorous because the best survey data from the real world suggests that completely one-sided domestic violence is actually more common when the victim is male than female. Touche anime writers, you really got us there, lol.*

* let's keep the discussion within anime however.

Musaigen no Phantom World lampshaded it's first anime cliche - guy gets face planted in girl's crotch, but they haven't even bothered to do that any more. In episode one they try and make the guy look genre-savvy. But he's now a generic victim of anime hijinks and there's no self-awareness. I makes me like all the characters involved much less:

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rather than ask him to leave a room, the girls physically assaulted him and threw him through a closed door so hard his head collided loudly with the far wall. This was because the girls instantly decided they needed him outside the room, and rather than using "words" they immediately went for extreme physical violence as the way to get someone to go outside. This is actually worse than Zero Louise or Love Hina or To Love Ru violence. Nothing happened or was misunderstood, they just treated him as someone who it was ok to assault because it saved the trouble of just asking them to do something.

Then he repeatedly hears them in trouble in the room, and opens the door multiple times. Each of those times he gets physically thrown out of a second-story window and only survives because by an off-chance there is an awning underneath that specific window. After the second time one of the girls says "sorry i lost control" (but the thing she lost control over was her fault anyway) and this immediately absolves her of attempted murder.

After that, the girls put him on the spot "well? Why haven't you fixed this problem yet?", and more 100% random physical assaults accompany his attempts to please the girls. But all of this follows an entire episode where the girls were writing off his skills entirely, either ignoring him when discussing who is skilled or actively pointing out how he is not needed. It is the exact sort of belittling you see in domestic abuse. Well, after the incident is over one of the girls is extra-nice to him to "make it up", so it's not abuse right? Wrong, that's the exact pattern that abuse victims say goes on. The abuser alternates abuse with "making it up" to keep the victim from leaving them.

It really makes me hate all of these characters.

[Neonivek]

Well watched anime's 3 minute shows

One about Marshmellows and another about sushi

and WOW... I am sorry to say it but Japan SHAMES the US in terms of 3 minute episodes...

I actually love the Marshmellow one. While the Sushi one, I can't tell if it is supposed to be ironic or not which muddles the humor (as in the Sushi Police are supposed to be the villains who force people to adhere to a very strict definition of Sushi)

While the Marshmellow one is about a fat dude having street fighter fights with a co-worker.

[Reelya]

Yeah, it's what I was saying about Teekyu, they pack so much into every 2 minute ep. Actually 30 seconds of theme song, then you get 90 seconds in which they cover roughly the amount of plot that would be an entire episode of most slice of life shows.

[Neonivek]

then you get 90 seconds in which they cover roughly the amount of plot that would be an entire episode of most slice of life shows.

Not exactly a fair comparison when Slice of Life and Romance often barely have enough plot to fit on a post it note.