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[i2amroy]

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There are multiple timelines in FSN, hence the routes.  Archer isn't from any of the major ones (although there's a bad ending in HF he could have arisen in), but he's someone that Shirou could have become.

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Does timeline even matter? Isn't it that if you're employed by the world as a hero, you exist in all points of spacetime already?

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IIRC it's more like when you get employed by the world as a hero you go to a place outside of normal time, and thus can step back into it at any point. And word of god says that technically there's still a chance that Shiro could become Archer after any of the endings in F:S/N, it's just that the possibilities are essentially zero (but not quite there). Though really Archer isn't a Heroic Spirit at all; his Unlimited Blade Works isn't a noble phantasm, and none of the other Heroic spirits gain the knowledge from the throne of heroes that would allow them to recognize him. The reason it works is because he essentially cheats and bargains with the world for the power in exchange for serving it after he dies.

Keep in mind that in F:S/N Shirou does get a big bonus simply by seeing archer (which goes all of the way to haxor levels in some of the routes), add the fact that the timeline shenanigans do a lot of pouring of learned body language that Archer spent centuries honing straight into Shirou, and you're going to get some major shenanigans going on. Heck, there's even some times that Shirou ends up being somewhat surprised by his ability to counter attacks IIRC.

In non-spoiler related things I've just watched my way up through the movie of the K project anime. Definitely an awesome show, but I'm betting that the yaoi fangirls just love it with all the homoerotic undertones that they just love to press (and once or twice basically come out and say as straight as you would ever expect them to on TV three years ago). Also I'm slightly disappointed by the fact that despite the overabundance of bishonen I don't remember ever seeing a single sparkle. Ah well, maybe the newer serious that is currently airing will fix that. (Definitely a very fun show though, and there were at least a couple of times it got me to expect it to follow a trope only to flip things on their head and invert it).

[Reelya]

Going through a bunch of random OVAs I had downloaded, usually they turn out to be shit, but I just found one worth sharing: Tokyo Marble Chocolate. It's a romcom anime, two episodes long. I was expecting shit and got quality. Great artwork, some really funny moments, and the writing is really good: doesn't rely on your typical anime tropes instead of a story.

[Tack]

So yeah for those behind the times One Punch Man just wrapped up it's latest season, and I'd heartily Reccommend it to everyone who hates Shonen. Or likes Shonen. I dunno.

Just watched "Is it wrong to TTPUGIADungeon", which I liked as much as tower of Druaga, and was more consistent than SAO, if beaten out in some of the cooler parts.
If anyone knows any other dungeon crawler anime, please throw 'em at me.
They seem to be my jam.

Lastly, Gundam IBO is still making me happy. Possibly one of the better gundam storylines I've seen (not that I've seen many).


Edit: Joining the conversation for UBW/FSN/FZ- I was out as soon as they stopped using real heroes.
There was still absolute craploads to choose from. Seemed like a cop-out on a cool premise.
I could literally whip up a class list of heroes in 30 seconds. Western only, if they're so hungry for it.

[Reelya]

Magi: The labyrinth of magic has parts built around the concept of dungeon crawling, but a lot of other plot arcs too.

Log Horizon, same deal. You'll get occasional dungeon crawls with the MMO mechanics.

Also, Record of Lodoss War. While it's not all set in dungeons, the story was based on a D&D campaign so has all the standard tolkienesque tropes going for it.

Ooh, I just discovered there's a 1991 anime OVA based on the "Wizardry" RPGs from the 1980's. The synopsis reads:

In a mystical land filled with magic and monsters, eager adventurers scour a ten-floor dungeon in search of fame and fortune – if they are able to escape with their lives! But none dare set foot in the tenth floor, as a powerful foe will make sure that they never return to the light of day: the evil Werdna, a wizard who stole an amulet of immense power. Now, to aid a beautiful woman, a group of skilled warriors must descend to the tenth floor to find the woman’s lost love, and to take back the amulet from the hands of evil!

You're not going to get a dungeon-delving anime any purer than that!

[Orange Wizard]

Edit: Joining the conversation for UBW/FSN/FZ- I was out as soon as they stopped using real heroes.
There was still absolute craploads to choose from. Seemed like a cop-out on a cool premise.
I could literally whip up a class list of heroes in 30 seconds. Western only, if they're so hungry for it.

AFAIK the only non-"real" hero they used was Archer in stay night, and that was for plot reasons.

[IronyOwl]

Magi: The labyrinth of magic has parts built around the concept of dungeon crawling, but a lot of other plot arcs too.

I liked Magi, but the dungeon aspects seemed relatively minor.

Ooh, I just discovered there's a 1991 anime OVA based on the "Wizardry" RPGs from the 1980's. The synopsis reads:

In a mystical land filled with magic and monsters, eager adventurers scour a ten-floor dungeon in search of fame and fortune – if they are able to escape with their lives! But none dare set foot in the tenth floor, as a powerful foe will make sure that they never return to the light of day: the evil Werdna, a wizard who stole an amulet of immense power. Now, to aid a beautiful woman, a group of skilled warriors must descend to the tenth floor to find the woman’s lost love, and to take back the amulet from the hands of evil!

You're not going to get a dungeon-delving anime any purer than that!

Oooh.

[Frumple]

If you're alright with LNs, both Legend of the Moonlight Sculptor and Ark have some fairly involved dungeon crawling portions, and a fairly sizable adventure theme overall. Perhaps a bit too wuxia and cunning!hero to be a really standard play along those lines, but they're both pretty nice, imo.

[Tack]

I also liked Magi. Maybe I'll check out log horizon.

AFAIK the only non-"real" hero they used was Archer in stay night, and that was for plot reasons.

Real as in historical figures.
As in not mythological figures.

[Flying Dice]

AFAIK the only non-"real" hero they used was Archer in stay night, and that was for plot reasons.

Real as in historical figures.
As in not mythological figures.

Fate/Stay Night:
Lancer - Cú Chulainn - Mythological
Saber - Arturia Pendragon - Mythological
Archer - You Know Who - Neither
Rider - Medusa - Mythological
Berserker - Hercules - Mythological
Assassin - nameless samurai - Mythological/Neither
Caster - Medea - Mythological
Also feat. Gilgamesh - Mythological

So. Yeah. None of the Heroic Spirits in the core routes of the original VN were historical figures. It wouldn't be wrong to argue that figures like Jeanne d'Arc who are in the historical record as real people are markedly less normal than the ones who in the real world are either wholly or functionally mythological, as far as representation in the Grail Wars goes.

[Frumple]

... didn't they start off using primarily mythological figures? Like... right from the start?

Hell, my memory's shot at the moment and I haven't seen a great deal of the canon material, but the only three I can recall that were substantially historic figures were alex, nero (which, uh.), and maybe the assassin critters. I guess there were more (maybe the assassin dude with the bird thing?), but...

And ninja'd, but yeah. Getting out when they started mostly-avoiding historical figures would have meant never getting in to begin with

[Orange Wizard]

There were more historical folks in Zero, but still mostly mythological. Rider (Alexander the Great) and Caster (Gilles de Rais) are historical figures, and (possibly?) Lancer, who's some Irish dude I can't remember the details of. Probably the same category as Lancer in FSN.

Can't remember anything about Assassin beyond there being dozens of the bastards

[Reelya]

Well, Saber was based on someone who really lived (though only loosely resembles the legend):

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Arthur is believed to be based on a real historical figure ("Arth" just means "the bear" in Welsh), but he was nothing like the legendary Arthur. The best evidence for this is that before 500AD, the name Arthur didn't even exist, yet a century later, it was quite a popular name for British nobles' sons. The name suddenly appears, and becomes really popular overnight, at the exact same time a "king Arthur" is supposed to have lived.

The most likely candidate for the real Arthur is Cuneglas, since contemporary authors such as Gildas referred to him as "bear". Also, Gildas lists kings of britain and includes Cuneglas (the bear), whilst Geoffrey of Monmouth wrote the exact same list, and included Arthur (the bear), but was missing Cuneglas. Plus a stack of other similar incidents in the life of both Cuneglas and Arthur.

[USEC_OFFICER]

I recall that (transgender) Da Vinci was a hero in one of the VNs they released, so that's another historical figure. But they also had Astolfo (who merely dresses like a girl) which was one of the 12 mythicial paladins of Charlemagne. So... My guess is that the series creators pretty much pick whatever famous Western figures tickle their fancy, regardless of whether they're historical or not. And then anime-ify them to taste.

Isn't Saber female Nero or something like that? Or is my memory shot?

[Reelya]

no, she is

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Arthur

[USEC_OFFICER]

Huh. So who is Nero? I remember them being in the series somehow. Vaguely.