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[Sirus]

Spoiler: Goku vs Superman 2 (click to show/hide)

Something I noticed this time around is they make it seem like Goku's the kinda guy who wouldn't give up. While that may have been true in DBZ, Battle of Gods shows that he's entirely willing to give up if he knows he's beaten. I'm not disputing that Superman could've killed Goku, I just think he wouldn't have had to.

I also wonder if Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 4 Vegito who's absorbed all of his multiverse's ki could fight against superman.

Oh! What about Superman vs Simon the Digger?

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I believe that one of the rules of Death Battle is that the characters must fight to the death, even if they canonically have issues with killing or know when to fold'em. Or simply would not have any reason to fight, let alone kill one another.

[Frumple]

@Baug: Create, maybe not, but pop over to some random expendable universe? Sure; supes has dimension hopped under his own power before. To say nothing of the ones that have hitched a ride via something or another.

... I'm not really sure it's fair to bring in silver age/silly powerful superman into the discussion, though. His power list at that point is basically, "Whatever." S'functionally author's fiat rather than anything concrete, heh.

[UXLZ]

You're all making the issue of thinking of Superman as a character, he's not really a "character" per se, more like a plot device with a face.

[Andres]

Spoiler: Goku vs Superman 2 (click to show/hide)

Something I noticed this time around is they make it seem like Goku's the kinda guy who wouldn't give up. While that may have been true in DBZ, Battle of Gods shows that he's entirely willing to give up if he knows he's beaten. I'm not disputing that Superman could've killed Goku, I just think he wouldn't have had to.

I also wonder if Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 4 Vegito who's absorbed all of his multiverse's ki could fight against superman.

Oh! What about Superman vs Simon the Digger?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I believe that one of the rules of Death Battle is that the characters must fight to the death, even if they canonically have issues with killing or know when to fold'em. Or simply would not have any reason to fight, let alone kill one another.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. My bad.

[Neonivek]

You're all making the issue of thinking of Superman as a character, he's not really a "character" per se, more like a plot device with a face.

Superman has a character... As I've said before... there are reasons why Superman's issues aren't about him versus some lowly thug on the street.

In the same way that Dr. Who isn't pitted against hackers.

The best way to understand Superman as a character is also to understand Clark Kent.

[i2amroy]

In the same way that Dr. Who isn't pitted against hackers.

Funnily enough, I'm pretty sure there was an episode last season where he basically was.

But yeah, Superman does work as a character, but not necessarily in the same way that many normal characters do. Pretty much all of Superman's real conflicts (as opposed to the many that are really just there to sell that particular issue without any real growth or whatever after they are beaten) always end up being Man v. Self ones ala the "world of cardboard" type of scenario. It's very rare to have a villain that could actually compromise a threat to superman, and even those tend to be just a Man v. Self in disguise. In the latest movie, for example, the whole point of the other kryptons was to cause a Man v. Self in Superman about birth v. adopted parents/culture. It had some epic fights, yeah, but that was the real conflict there.

[Neonivek]

Well there are two movies I think are essential for understanding superman

1st) Superman versus the Elite
2nd) All Star Superman

As well remember that Superman's real identity is Clark Kent. He transforms into a beacon of hope.

[Bauglir]

Yeah, that's the thing - Superman stories are essentially never about whether or not Superman is going to win or not. The fight is always an allegory, and his inevitable victory represents the inevitable victory of virtue and integrity over whatever moral hazard the comic wants to be about this time. That's not the case for any of these anime heroes, especially in shonen stuff, whose stories are about triumphing over adversity, specifically. The hero's victory is almost certainly equally inevitable, but it's still the crux of the story.

Superman's conflicts are about doing the right thing - it's taken as a given that he has the power to win. We all know he's going to do the right thing, because that's how stories are written, but it's still the key issue.
The anime heroes in question have conflicts about winning - it's taken as a given that they know what the right thing is. We all know they're going to win, because that's how stories are written, but it's still the key issue.

[Neonivek]

Not that he hasn't had plenty of issues where it is in question.

The Superman Versus Braniac movie for example.

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To admit though I do think the average Superman fight is more entertaining then the average anime fight >_< goodness am I tired of clashes.

Mind you no anime can get as bad as Saint Seiya and the Lost Canvas... Where somehow they managed to get the feeling of a turn based RPG into animation.

[i2amroy]

Not that he hasn't had plenty of issues where it is in question.

The Superman Versus Braniac movie for example.

Technically even in that film the climax wasn't necessarily when he defeated his enemies.The climax was on the focus of whether or not Lois was going to survive, with a dash of whether or not Superman should leave the Daily Planet in order to be with Lois.

[Orange Wizard]

There's something about Food Wars that makes me giggle like a schoolgirl. Probably all the absurd clothes-exploding and foodgasms, but still. 10/10, would cook again.

[AlleeCat]

On the subject of Black Rock Shooter, I had the misfortune of watching it through to the end. It just kept making less and less sense.

[Neonivek]

On the subject of Black Rock Shooter, I had the misfortune of watching it through to the end. It just kept making less and less sense.

It makes perfect sense but you have to understand the shows metaplot so to speak.

The show basically is a metaphor for the human subconscious and mass consciousness.

The show just dresses it up in supernatural themes.

Black Rock Shooter is the girls subconscious... and just like in real life your subconscious deals with issues so you don't have to.

And when someone can't deal with their issues consciously or subconsciously it manifests in a very similar way that the show does.

That is all I can say without giving spoilers.

I think the show is... alright.

[KingofstarrySkies]

This is.

Annoying.

To read.

[Neonivek]

This is.

Annoying.

To read.

It makes perfect sense but you have to understand the shows metaplot so to speak.  The show basically is a metaphor for the human subconscious and mass consciousness. The show just dresses it up in supernatural themes. Black Rock Shooter is the girls subconscious... and just like in real life your subconscious deals with issues so you don't have to. And when someone can't deal with their issues consciously or subconsciously it manifests in a very similar way that the show does. That is all I can say without giving spoilers. I think the show is... alright.

better? I somehow think not.