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Reelya

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« Reply #22545 on: May 09, 2015, 06:23:47 pm »

For example in the standard hero's journey structure there's a point called the "refusal of the call". This is where the hero, in his ordinary life rejects the call to go off on the adventure, but then fate or somesuch kicks his backside to actually go do Hero Things.
If you're talking about that "monomyth" thing, no it's not a standard hero's journey structure. It has elements of such, but it's very much not a standard's hero journey, it's more of "standard hero fanfiction story".

I didn't mention the monomyth. but the general stages are in pretty much every influential book on scriptwriting etc. The tropes are everywhere because all the major sources on storywriting were heavily influenced by Joseph Campbell. His seminal work came out in 1949. It's been heavily influential on modern cinema scriptwriting, and the concepts have spread to every medium from that. So, there's the idea that some tropes are fundamental and work in any setting/story, but there's also the historical fact that these theories have directly influenced the last 50 years worth of screenwriting, regardless of whether they're really "universal" or not.

The basic tropes are everywhere in published fiction not just "fanfiction". In fact I'd be highly skeptical if fanfiction commonly adheres to any sort of rigorous structure.

Some things really do happen in almost every story. Aside from the obvious "there is a hero" idea, you're most likely going to get some sidekicks, and a mentor character. And you can bank on the mentor either dying or being otherwise incapacitated sometime after the half-way point of the work, but before the Big Battle.

You have no idea how much of a production line expensive commercial series are. They adhere to well established structures and theories of scriptwriting far more than fanfiction does, because they have to when they're pouring 10's of millions of dollars into something they don't want to experiment with story structure on top of that. Look at Star Wars. That adheres to the monomyth almost to the letter. And Star Wars influenced a whole lot of other movies. The monomyth is a set of rules that professionals stick to because it always produces a workable story. It's not some fringe thing that crazy fanfiction writers are into.
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« Reply #22546 on: May 09, 2015, 06:45:14 pm »

Monomyth is unfortunately just so generic it applies to everything whether you like it or not.

"I went to the fridge and saw that there was no milk, so I went to the store and bought some more milk, I then walked home and had myself a tall glass of milk"

Is following the Monomyth.
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #22547 on: May 09, 2015, 06:47:59 pm »

TIL my car is supernatural, the greeter at Walmart is a threshold guardian, supermarkets are the great unknown, choosing a brand is a symbolic death, revelation, and rebirth, and making it through rush-hour traffic is a divine gift.
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« Reply #22548 on: May 09, 2015, 07:21:17 pm »

Let's not talk about the monomyth. Seriously, any discussion involving it will go on for several pages.
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« Reply #22549 on: May 10, 2015, 10:30:54 am »

Ok in the entire Yu-Gi-Oh series there was always something I found odd

There is often this point where the character receives or finds a bunch of "Useless" cards that either were abandoned or the villain gives the hero.

Yet the hero is never inhibited by this because it turns out there were actually some pretty powerful cards in there! just ones with low attack and defense values.

To admit this isn't that unusual because the average person in the show seems to be absolutely terrible at the game to the point where you need a class to know "how to fuse" and XYZ summons are considered "super advanced" in spite being made to be the easiest summon possible.

But it is always just weird especially in light that the vast majority of Yu-Gi-Oh cards are absolutely useless (one of the major criticisms of the real life game). It isn't like they made a Skull Servant Deck or something where you needed extra cards to make it worthwhile making it "seemingly" useless.
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #22550 on: May 10, 2015, 11:33:08 am »

re: fics: Well no shit you gotta be discerning, Sturgeon's revelation and all that. A good starting point is with EarthScorpion, both AGSItV and Overlady are fantastic, and both rely on a failed summoning rather than "X character is summoned instead of the dickish pervert."

No time for a proper overview 'cause I'm sitting to take the GRE in about ten minutes, ciao!
First one's pretty fascinating, but it feels like it's slow as hell. Haven't gotten into the second one.

Part of the problem may be that I don't actually like any of these characters, so watching them do slightly less stupid shit isn't especially appealing.
AGSItV is pretty slow and I've been steadily losing interest over the last couple of chapters, but Overlady is super-awesome. Like seriously, it's some of the best fiction I've read in quite some time. Like 9.5/10 rating easily. Earthscorpion tends to be hit and miss with me, but when he hits he really hits hard.

Also worth noting that I've never watched/read FoZ.
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« Reply #22551 on: May 10, 2015, 11:35:21 am »

Accidental doublepost, Bay12 has been wonky for me the entire day for some reason. Anyone else experiencing something similar?
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« Reply #22552 on: May 10, 2015, 07:21:17 pm »

Been slow and error-prone for me, and I've seen a few other people accidentally make four-five threads at once.

Started watching Yuki Yuna is a Hero, but I get the feeling I'm being reverse Madoka'd. Which is to say watching cute girls doing cute things while punching monsters.
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« Reply #22553 on: May 10, 2015, 07:40:42 pm »

It does kinda step up after the halfway mark. But overall I didn't enjoy Yuki Yuna. Poor man's Madoka.

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« Reply #22555 on: May 11, 2015, 12:14:40 pm »

I'm pretty sure I know how business works now.
I can't stop laughing now, oh spirits, the continuous gesticulation! The worst part is that that's exactly how a lot of meetings (not necessarily business/corporate ofc.) work, albeit slightly more exaggerated than normal.
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« Reply #22556 on: May 11, 2015, 12:19:39 pm »

I'm pretty sure I know how business works now.
I can't stop laughing now, oh spirits, the continuous gesticulation! The worst part is that that's exactly how a lot of meetings (not necessarily business/corporate ofc.) work, albeit slightly more exaggerated than normal.
two things
1.what anime is that
2.i agree that(in my opinion sadly)a lot of business meetings are like that )<:
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« Reply #22557 on: May 11, 2015, 02:39:17 pm »

I'm pretty sure I know how business works now.
I can't stop laughing now, oh spirits, the continuous gesticulation! The worst part is that that's exactly how a lot of meetings (not necessarily business/corporate ofc.) work, albeit slightly more exaggerated than normal.
two things
1.what anime is that
2.i agree that(in my opinion sadly)a lot of business meetings are like that )<:

Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabu Kome wa Machigatteiru (My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU).

The show is absolutely taking the piss out of people who try to look impressive by using big meaningless sentences and buzz words, I love it.
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« Reply #22558 on: May 11, 2015, 04:42:21 pm »

Zankyuo no Terror is pretty swell.

That is all.
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« Reply #22559 on: May 11, 2015, 05:30:43 pm »

I'm pretty sure I know how business works now.
I can't stop laughing now, oh spirits, the continuous gesticulation! The worst part is that that's exactly how a lot of meetings (not necessarily business/corporate ofc.) work, albeit slightly more exaggerated than normal.
two things
1.what anime is that
2.i agree that(in my opinion sadly)a lot of business meetings are like that )<:

Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabu Kome wa Machigatteiru (My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU).

The show is absolutely taking the piss out of people who try to look impressive by using big meaningless sentences and buzz words, I love it.
before i go watch this does it have
1.excessive boobage
2.excessive gore
3.well designed characters
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