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[Rez]

I've always meant to and never have.

[IronyOwl]

You need to reread them.  I'm sad that I'm not eloquent enough to truly express how ridiculous trying to paint Le Guin as a bigot is.

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It's the height of absurdity to accuse Le Guin of bigotry and it's incredibly inappropriate (and fallacious) to imply that her work must have been racist, because there are racist messages in other works of fiction by other authors.  You won't find a positive portrayal of bigotry in her fiction unless you're really on a witch-hunt to find one.  She is the most ground-breaking author of progressive, egalitarian fiction in the last century and she was doing it when it was still subversive.

I suspect the main reason to avoid racial characteristics is laziness and defaulting to the generic anime character styles.

This strikes me as a little too enthusiastic to be trustworthy. Particularly the "inappropriate" part.

* GUNINANRUNIN slams the table.

And another thing! Everyone needs to watch Memories, the sci-fi anime triple-feature. It's brilliant.

Eh. They're artsy and all, but I think calling them "brilliant" is a bit of a stretch. I can't really think of who I'd recommend them to or why.

[Reelya]

Also I think the "painting person X as a bigot" thing isn't the point. A huge percentage of historic literature is problematic by modern standards, but this just wasn't perceived by the writers or audience as a problem. Many writers we'd call a "bigot" by modern standards were further to the progressive left of the spectrum than the general population of their day.

[Rez]

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It sounds an awful lot like you're arguing that we should be prejudiced against the works of writers based on their birth date, not on their ideas.

I'd love to hear examples of racism in her books and not general implications, based on the idea that she's an 'historic' writer.  She's actually still alive and hasn't been cast down in shame, though there's time enough yet, I suppose!  Perhaps in a PM or another thread, I feel guilty for pulling things off-topic.

How does DRRR2 compare with the first one?

[Reelya]

You're being a little argumentative here. I didn't refer to her specifically at any point, I just said - in general - depictions of race in older works tend to be problematic. This is actually by far the most common reason that they retcon out people's race in adaptations of older (usually pre 1970s) works.

As for giving benefit of the doubt, we have to basically or we'd be throwing out virtually all the world's classic literature, including Lord of the Rings. There's a point where you have to analyse texts in the context of when they were written, because without that there wouldn't be much "acceptable" literature at all.

[Rez]

It just looked an awful lot like you were saying they ignored race, because Le Guin probably wrote something that was either downright awful or just subtly racist.

In any case, I don't think Japanese media really cares much about Western sensibilities regarding race and stereotyping.

ed: Though, if any studio did, it would be Ghibli.

[ggamer]

* GUNINANRUNIN slams the table.

And another thing! Everyone needs to watch Memories, the sci-fi anime triple-feature. It's brilliant.

Remind me, was one of those some sort of Love: Hate Story type movie with salvagers figuring out what happened to a spaceship? cos if so i've already seen it.

I'm finally watching Haruhi, like the anime slowpoke I am. After this i'm gonna find the Legend of World War Two Tanks In Fantasy Land and figure out it's actual name.

[Reelya]

In April there's a new Haruhi anime coming out, which is a spin-off from the movie (which should be watched after season 2). I recommend not reading anything about the new show since the details could spoil stuff from the movie, which was a pretty good movie so that would be a shame.

Season 2 contains a thing called Endless Eight though. A time loop, which is basically almost the same episode repeated 8 times with minor variations each time. I did sit through them all because I'm a completist, but I've seen it suggested that you can cut out the middle Endless Eight episodes and still get the idea from watching a few (make sure to watch the last of the 8 though, because it's different).

Also, my favorite Haruhi spin off is this:
http://myanimelist.net/anime/5957/Nyoro-n_Churuya-san
Which you can basically watch any time after getting to know the season 1 characters.

[Leafsnail]

In Earthsea it's not like you just have a few black people acting stupid or something, it's just like most of the characters happen to be black.  It seems odd to scrub it out because I seem to remember it eventually becoming a plot point when a white character appears, but I'm not entirely sure.

[Darvi]

Also chances are if you're watching Haruhi, you're watching them either in chronological order (but out of airing order) or in airing order (but out of chronological order). So uh, just don't try to get confused.

Seconding Churuya, and recommending Haruhi-chan while I'm at it.

Ninething skipping most of Endless Eight. I personally recommend skipping the first four or five episodes though.

[Spehss _]

So watamote has a manga. No idea if this will be less cringe-worthy than the anime but should be worth a shot. Also think it would be more up to date with the light novels than the anime. The anime only covers some of the material from the light novels, right? Pretty sure.

Don't think there's any translations or anything for japanese light novels, is there?

_{^{inb4 I come back complaining about the sheer cringe of the watamote manga.}}

Sidenote, but wow Watamote's full title is a mouthful. The Japanese title is practically cthulhu-speak to me.

[Frumple]

... watamote has LNs?

[Furtuka]

As a matter of fact it does not. The manga is the original.  .

[Frumple]

I didn't think so...

... that said, the answer to your question of there being translations for the LNs is a fairly solid "No", space. Since the LNs themselves don't exist to begin with

[Spehss _]

As a matter of fact it does not. The manga is the original.  .

I could've sworn I read it was a light novel series. My bad for not fact checking before I post then.

I didn't think so...

... that said, the answer to your question of there being translations for the LNs is a fairly solid "No", space. Since the LNs themselves don't exist to begin with

Soooo, what about LNs that do exist? Went and googled for myself, translating light novels seems to be a thing. Neat.