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[Levi]

Meh, in the lore that is pretty much what Unicron is.

Yet when he is on the screen he is just a planet sized transformer who tends to be beaten in increasingly embarrassing ways. Mostly by the power of friendship.

Naw.  They needed the an ancient soul-consuming artifact passed down a long line of protectors/sacrifices to destroy the cosmic devourer.  That's kinda badass. 

[Neonivek]

Meh, in the lore that is pretty much what Unicron is.

Yet when he is on the screen he is just a planet sized transformer who tends to be beaten in increasingly embarrassing ways. Mostly by the power of friendship.

Naw.  They needed the an ancient soul-consuming artifact passed down a long line of protectors/sacrifices to destroy the cosmic devourer.  That's kinda badass.

Spark Consuming. Transformer souls are not metaphysical constructs. They are literal balls of energy.

[Furtuka]

Meh, in the lore that is pretty much what Unicron is.

Yet when he is on the screen he is just a planet sized transformer who tends to be beaten in increasingly embarrassing ways. Mostly by the power of friendship.

Not.. really?

Generation 1: Blown up by the matrix of leadership. Survived as a giant moon head until the Technobots messed up his internal systems a long while later.

Beast Wars Neo: Blown up by the Matrix Buster

Armada: Depowered by Galvatron sacrificing himself to end the war so the negative emotions caused by the fighting stopped flowing.

Energon: Body was destroyed. Posessed Galvatron, who then flew into a sun.

Cybertron: ...well he's already dead, but there was the Singularity left by his destruction. Primus sealed it up eventually.

Prime: Sealed inside the Allspark's container.


Oh I got ninjaed. But yeah. And that's not even going into the weirdness of characters that are multiversal singularities. Or all the stuff that goes down in the comics.


Also Sparks are actually both. They're fragments of Primus's lifeforce and pretty much do act like very durable souls.

[Neonivek]

You can destroy them with an Energon knife... soo ehhh

And given they already written in SUPER energon (which I though was dumb) and Dark Energon (which I wish was never introduced into the series) it is surprisingly easy to get your hands on a robot spark killing object.

[Leafsnail]

This week's JoJo was pretty cool, I suggest watching it if you haven't.

*crosses Eva and AoT*

*basks in the surprising lack of difference*

I think there's a pretty fundamental thematic gulf between the series.  AoT is about fighting against horrendous odds and the sacrifices you have to make in the process, while NGE is more about detachment and apathy.

[Furtuka]

You can destroy them with an Energon knife... soo ehhh

And given they already written in SUPER energon (which I though was dumb) and Dark Energon (which I wish was never introduced into the series) it is surprisingly easy to get your hands on a robot spark killing object.

That's irrelevant to the argument. Being destroyable does not disqualify them from metaphysical properties. If you were referring to my durable comment, I was referring to the fact that they can survive the body being destroyed provided they don't take too much damage.

[Reelya]

Just started watching Railgun, and came across this news:

"A second side-story manga series, A Certain Scientific Accelerator (とある科学の一方通行 Toaru Kagaku no Akuserarēta?), began serialization in Dengeki Daioh in December 2013."

Yeah, so might see an Accelerator anime in the future.

[majikero]

Why? Accelerator is already one of the main characters in New Testament.

[Neonivek]

That's irrelevant to the argument. Being destroyable does not disqualify them from metaphysical properties. If you were referring to my durable comment, I was referring to the fact that they can survive the body being destroyed provided they don't take too much damage

Yeah it was to the durable comment, and I always figured sparks were quite fragile, but that for plot convenience they tended to survive total robot destruction.

Also I doubt you were making an argument.

[Furtuka]

I... dunno how to respond to that last part?

[Neonivek]

I... dunno how to respond to that last part?

Well I guess I mean that I cannot really argue with what you said. Unless I say that the events that lead to it is because of the power of friendship.

Such as the time when the power of friendship created a giant optimus and another time when it created an entirely different giant robot.

[Furtuka]

The power of friendship doesn't really show up that much in my memories, save for Armada and some of the weirder japanese shows nobody pays attention to? Most of the weird emotional powerup stuff I remember is from Hearts of Burning Justice! And in the Unicron trilogy the dub swapped those out with slightly more reasonable explanations.

It's kinda ironically amusing actually that when it comes to transformers its the English shows that tend to take themselves more seriously while the anime transformers shows are more comedic and cheesy (And the japanese dubs of certain transformers shows are infamously bad like in beast wars where they threw in bad running gags and inexplicably made Airazor male)

[Mech#4]

I... dunno how to respond to that last part?

Well I guess I mean that I cannot really argue with what you said. Unless I say that the events that lead to it is because of the power of friendship.

Such as the time when the power of friendship created a giant optimus and another time when it created an entirely different giant robot.

The moral of this story is if we can get the entire world to work together in friendship, giant robots will happen.

[Furtuka]

Character designs and voice actors of the Sailor Moon remake!

[Knit tie]

Character designs and voice actors of the Sailor Moon remake!

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.