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[Frumple]

Think it may be more "doesn't like hopeless situations that occur by dint of sheer stupidity", heh. Were they actually only going up the cliff one at a time? For, like, the whole cliff? I'unno 'bout you lot, but after the second mech popped its head up and got blown up, I'd start taking shots at the cliff. Blow that thing up and make me a ruddy ramp.* Then all of us can go up at once!

Actually, I guess I can go and look.

*looks*

Sweet zeus, they practically were. And staggering approach almost like they're intentionally timing it so the defenses have time to switch targets. I... I'm sorry, I think I have to side with Sirus on this one, to the extent there's sides to take. I wasn't getting a "horrors of war" vibe from that, I was getting a "war comedy" vibe. Ineptitude to the point of farce and outright gag jokes (like the one getting rid of the zipcord attachment. I could hear the laugh track.). And I went ahead and watched the second part, too. That lightning strike (dues ex hilaria), bromance in a field of fire, all sorts of stuff. It... in terms of action, that whole combat scene was comedy >_> Dunno about the plot stuff, I didn't even turn the sound on

I would probably suggest checking out the original before dismissing the series as a whole, though.

*They even tried to climb it, and didn't realize "Hey, my bunker busting doom-gun might be able to pulp some cliffside".

[Parsely]

-snip-

Heh, it makes a lot more sense when you put it that way. c:

[Sirus]

I would probably suggest checking out the original before dismissing the series as a whole, though.

For the last time, I didn't know there was a "series as a whole" to dismiss when I watched the OVA and wrote my little first impression. I have not seen any of the original episodes or whatever there were. I have never once claimed to know anything about the series other than what I could glean from two 10-minute episodes with no comprehend-able dialogue.

For fuck's sake.

[Frumple]

Nah nah, not to that, more to the "Watch yer votoms, I'll go do something else" statement. I'd say give the original a try, just in case the new stuff is just... not as good.

I'd say you're cool dismissing at-least that twenty minutes of video. It was kinda' silly.

[Leafsnail]

]When did I ever claim to be informed? I did the equivalent of flipping a book open and reading the first couple of chapters to see if it grabbed my interest. It didn't. I never said I did in-depth research on the series canon or finished the OVA, nor did I dig up translations. Because that shit should not be required to grab the attention of a newcomer.

Well you're discussing what the characters could have done differently.  That seems like a thing you should only do if you have an informed opinion on what the situation was and what their options were.

And like... I don't know why you think it has some kind of duty to work and get your attention without dialogue.  Maybe all that talking was super interesting and would have helped explain the situation on the ground.  Only you don't know because you decided to watch without subtitles for some reason.

[Reelya]

EDIT: Latest news: At the end of a recent Tokyo MX rerun of Macross Frontier, it was announced that a new Macross TV series is in the works. There really aren't any details, images or animation, just this 14 second announcement, and mentioned here on Kotaku. Don't expect any real details from those links though.

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Screw it, I can't deal with this any more. Enjoy your VOTOMS, I'll find something else to watch.

Oh FFS. The 2000's one you saw is a cheaply made direct-to-video one that few hold in high regard. You can't judge the original work from it. You keep claiming not to be doing that, but you are in fact doing that.

About the same time (~2006), Robotech: Shadow Chronicles came out. That movie is also a stinker, and would turn you off the Robotech franchise if you saw it. That doesn't mean the original animes (Macross and Mospeada) aren't awesome.

The whole mid-2000's was a low point for mecha anime with a lot of bad sequels are remakes with poorly-integrated shitty CGI. About 2008, things started to pick up with shows like Macross Frontier, which showcased how CGI/2D mecha integration should be done.

[Furtuka]

Spoiler: GUNDAM BUILD FIGHTERS LAST EPISODE (click to show/hide)

Well guys, it's over. The ending was great, not perfect, but a whole great romp of fun, just like the show as a whole. I... I dunno what I'm gonna have to look forward to on Mondays anymore T_T

I guess I'll have Jojo starting this Friday. Anyways as for the episode itself:

The dissapointing:
   -Bearguy-San and Miss Sazabi getting taken out by the Solar Cannon before they could barely get any screen time. Aila didn't even get to show off her frankly rediculous arsenal as shown in the actual kit. Actually I think Miss Sazabi was animated out of scale since it has Master Grade parts in it and should tower over all the other Gunpla. I can already feel the indignation emanating from Neonivek's reaction

   -Since the Universe Booster got trashed last episode we didn't get one last scene of the discharge being used.

   -No Odaiba statue Gundam performing the Last Shooting on A Baoa Qu. Darnit.

The fricking awesome:

  -The Crossbone Gundam Maoh's introduction was AWESOME. After all the jokes people were making abouthow Mao was getting excluded in all the PV images of the ep, he finally redeemed himself. And they even gave the Crossbone its obligatory Speed Metal riffs

   -AMAZING EXIA REPAIR. No I dun't care if it means Bandai's gonna sell us yet ANOTHER Exia variant kit. That was an A Meijin way for Yuuki to come back into the battle that I never suspected, and I've always liked the Termi-Exia shoulder cloak. Funfact! The liscense rules that kept the late 00 and AGE suits out was that anything aired in the last 5 years could not be used. 00 season 2 ended March 29, 2009. You magnificent bastards Sunrise

   -Ral and the Master being awesome. My gosh how much budget did they spend on that Darkness Sekiha Tenkyoken.

The Adorable:

   -And so everyone's dreams came true. Even Sazaki got a fan. Unless that's his sister or something.

   -I was so terrified in sadness when Reiji left until it turned out he brought Aila with him since she had the last crystal with her. If she'd stayed behind I would have made a joke about how they're gonna have to renew her Visa

   -Those gunpla Mao and the Master had at the epilogue were built irl by Sei and Reiji's voice actors some time ago.

The mildly amusing:

   -And of course Bandai snuck in a last minute chance to show off their accessory swapping gimmick and how Gunpla limbs are swappable. I don't mind.

Since Nils replicated the crystal, I guess if the show ever gets a sequel they'll be traveling to Arian instead of the other way round. I like how they made the mountains curve just enough so that we couldn't tell if it was inside a colony or not. Ah well, guess we'll find out if they do anything for the 40th anniversary next year.

It's been fun! Can't wait for G-Reko to happen. Truly, this is a wonderful year to be a Gundam fan.

MOEAGARE GUNPLAAAAA

[Darvi]

I guess we're both waiting for Stardust Crusaders now aren't we.

[Tack]

The whole mid-2000's was a low point for mecha anime.

YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH.

[Tellemurius]

00 is meh compared to other Gundams, Appleseed bored the hell out of me, Code Geass beats both of those combined for anything good.

[Reelya]

I'm not really buying those examples either. There are a load of critics who revile all three series. Nail meet coffin.

I really did not enjoy any on the Appleseed franchise at all, seen a couple of the movies, I hear Gundam 00 is the weakest of the lot, and Code Geass may be (maybe) an ok show, but its mecha element could have just as easily been left out altogether: good as a mecha series, it was not. Anyway, it kind of felt like a mess to me, they tried to throw every trope in the book into that series to appeal to everyone.

http://moesucks.com/2009/07/21/code-geass-sucks/

And finally and most ridiculously, the show asks us to accept the idea that while this band of teenagers are directing a war that kills hundreds of thousands of people, they are all coincidentally attending the same high school, where they have wacky student council adventures. 

Enough said. The constant tone shifts from serious plot to ecchi fanservice and cliched highschool hijinks permanently bars Code Geass from legendary series status for me.

[Culise]

I hear Gundam 00 is the weakest of the lot

I actually did try to watch Gundam 00.  It's probably the first Gundam anime that I actually actively quit watching due to the sheer amount of tetchiness I felt after watching the first couple episodes, and I sat through both G Gundam (which was good, in spite of being very different from the rest of the series) and SEED Destiny (which was...not).  I haven't tuned in to a single Gundam series since.

http://moesucks.com/2009/07/21/code-geass-sucks/

And finally and most ridiculously, the show asks us to accept the idea that while this band of teenagers are directing a war that kills hundreds of thousands of people, they are all coincidentally attending the same high school, where they have wacky student council adventures. 

Enough said. The constant tone shifts from serious plot to ecchi fanservice and cliched highschool hijinks permanently bars Code Geass from legendary series status for me.

And the serious plot isn't all that intelligent, either, from what I've heard. 

[Tellemurius]

Go watch Unicorn, your faith in mechs will be revitalized.

[Furtuka]

00 holds a special place in my heart as the show that truly ignited my love for mecha anime and was the first Gundam show I watched all the way through, but I admit its plot is flawed. Code Geass... I liked on my first viewing, but didn't really get any particular vibe of specialness.

Unicorn is the greatest thing ever, but it requires the viewer to have a certain amount of UC timeline knowledge beforehand to get the whole impact.

Also Culise you should watch Build Fighters

[Reelya]

And the serious plot isn't all that intelligent, either, from what I've heard.

The "genius " plots aren't all that genius. e.g. compare Code Geass to Death Note.

In Death Note, you're told something genius had happened, and they explain it in detail, and you go "wow, that's a clever trick", and it plays with a finite set of already explained rules of how the "death notes" work.

Whereas in Code Geass, you constantly get times when it looks like Lelouch is beaten, the enemy is gloating "Now I have you Lelouch", Lelouch laughs "Muahaha! Think again!" and all the Big Bad's henchmen's eyes glow red to show that Lelouch had hypnotized them earlier.

"And here's one I prepared earlier" like a TV cooking show is all the explanation you get in Code Geass. Unanswered questions that the viewer is meant to infer:

"How did Lelouch control the guards" => "Hypnosis"
"How did Lelouch get into the base in the first place" => "Hypnosis"

So, pretty much every problem is solved by claiming that Lelouch had previously hypnotized people off-screen.

The only unanswered question is, "if Lelouch already had hypnotized everyone why are we having this battle?"